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2014 RT-S Suspension - fitment on 2013 - VSS upgrade??

dangme55

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Hi guys -

A couple of questions for those of you who have been Spydering for a while.

I was looking at the 2014 RT which does not have enough of a jump up to merit trading in my 2013 but it did trigger some questions. I am very reluctant to dole out $500 - 800 for a set of Elkas. That is not a run down of Elka or their products - more a reflection on the ratio of my riding preferences to cost.

I have been looking for a suitable coil over shock that could be substituted for the OEM shocks on the 2013. My presumption is that BRP did not engineer an entirely new shock but 'tweaked' the specs on some product already available from Sachs/ZF. I have googled every number I could find on my shocks to see if I could get a cross reference to compare with. No luck.

I really do not want to go through the gyrations of removing a shock/coil to measure shock length, stroke, coil length, etc. Has someone already measured the 2013 RT shocks and have those specifications?

I spent the weekend thrashing about the Georgia Mountains to help me get used to the lean etc which was making me uneasy. it was both more educating and more fun than doing the parking lot drills! :D And the Bajaron sway bar was just dandy. It was a great confidence builder - I am not sure i was much slower than I am in my Corvette with the Z51 package. (that is probably not true but the Spyder makes you think you are going faster LOL)

I am satisfied for my riding style with the springs but perhaps a bit more shock damping. i was able to move along quite well in the twisties and never bottomed out once. I weight 100 kilos LOL so I am not a lightweight.

Second question - it does not seem that BRP made any major changes (other than powertrain, VSS) on the new RT's - no mention of suspension geometry changes etc. They are saying the beefed up the shocks with bigger pistons and more dampening.

So question is were there any other suspension changes that would prohibit using 2014 shocks? Will the 2014 RT shocks fit the 2013? Buying a couple of shocks at $80@bucks plus collars etc comes out under $200 - that is doable for me. Comments anyone?

The other upgrade was to new VSS parameters. I presume this would be just a re-program with BUDS to retrofit to earlier models? Can anyone confirm? That would be an awesome 'retrofit' upgrade. Think BRP would buy into that?

Thanks in advance!
 
Hi guys -

A couple of questions for those of you who have been Spydering for a while.

I was looking at the 2014 RT which does not have enough of a jump up to merit trading in my 2013 but it did trigger some questions. I am very reluctant to dole out $500 - 800 for a set of Elkas. That is not a run down of Elka or their products - more a reflection on the ratio of my riding preferences to cost.

I have been looking for a suitable coil over shock that could be substituted for the OEM shocks on the 2013. My presumption is that BRP did not engineer an entirely new shock but 'tweaked' the specs on some product already available from Sachs/ZF. I have googled every number I could find on my shocks to see if I could get a cross reference to compare with. No luck.

I really do not want to go through the gyrations of removing a shock/coil to measure shock length, stroke, coil length, etc. Has someone already measured the 2013 RT shocks and have those specifications?

I spent the weekend thrashing about the Georgia Mountains to help me get used to the lean etc which was making me uneasy. it was both more educating and more fun than doing the parking lot drills! :D And the Bajaron sway bar was just dandy. It was a great confidence builder - I am not sure i was much slower than I am in my Corvette with the Z51 package. (that is probably not true but the Spyder makes you think you are going faster LOL)

I am satisfied for my riding style with the springs but perhaps a bit more shock damping. i was able to move along quite well in the twisties and never bottomed out once. I weight 100 kilos LOL so I am not a lightweight.

Second question - it does not seem that BRP made any major changes (other than powertrain, VSS) on the new RT's - no mention of suspension geometry changes etc. They are saying the beefed up the shocks with bigger pistons and more dampening.

So question is were there any other suspension changes that would prohibit using 2014 shocks? Will the 2014 RT shocks fit the 2013? Buying a couple of shocks at $80@bucks plus collars etc comes out under $200 - that is doable for me. Comments anyone?

The other upgrade was to new VSS parameters. I presume this would be just a re-program with BUDS to retrofit to earlier models? Can anyone confirm? That would be an awesome 'retrofit' upgrade. Think BRP would buy into that?

Thanks in advance!

I have the same question will the 2014 shocks fit a 13 and are they better? I guess we might have to wait till they come out.
 
You can presumably order them from BRP

I have the same question will the 2014 shocks fit a 13 and are they better? I guess we might have to wait till they come out.

I checked the BRP store and they show up with a different part number from 2013's @ $79 a piece. So they are available ?? or at least you can order them.

The BRP spin is that they have heavier pistons and more dampening which was one of the shortcomings Elka mentioned in their shock development thread. Shocks, springs and collars are all separate items. I presume the springs are the same so I planned on ordering the shocks and collars and reusing the springs. Coil spring compressors are not expensive items. Experimenting with coil springs is pretty easy as Summit has a wide variety of coils in 2.5 inch in various rates and lengths.

So bottom line is still do they fit. :pray:

I also would like to see if there is a Bilstein or KYB etc that has the same dimensions that would fit. The more choices the better.

I have been hanging around Corvettes for a long time and it is too bad that BRP doesn't have a 'performance' division that allows you more choices on suspension tuning as is common on Corvette/Chevy. :lecturef_smilie:
 
Shocks should work on 2013 - late availability

I have the same question will the 2014 shocks fit a 13 and are they better? I guess we might have to wait till they come out.

I have a great dealer - I just finished talking to them. They believe that the 2014's will fit the 2013. I had planned to reuse the springs but apparently both the shock and the coil springs are different. I have on order two shocks and two springs. The two upper collars appear to be the same so they can be reused.

Right now there is only one shock available so it may not be until late December before I get to try this out. I guess most of the shocks are going to production runs not spares. Dealer expects 2014's to hit showroom in late December maybe spares will free up then.

I discussed the VSS situation and there is some doubt about retrofitting it to the vtwin ROTAX as the engine is new on the 2014. Since there is a hook to the ecm for throttle control it might not be a simple software load. They may get more info for me later. If it is just an update then it may get rolled in to a BUDS update later on. Again nothing definitive.
 
They probably beefed them up due to the increased weight of the 2014 models. They'll be stiffer... but better?? :dontknow:
 
They probably beefed them up due to the increased weight of the 2014 models. They'll be stiffer... but better?? :dontknow:
Stiffer is better to me. The 2013 is non adjustable and the front end dives a little I would really like Elka's + Ron's bar for my suspension but if BRP has a beefier shock option that does not cost $1k then I am all ears. I hope to hear good things about the shock upgrade keep us posted guys.:thumbup:
 
2014 OEM RT SHOCKS on 2013 RTS-SE5 Fitment / Results

Hi everyone!

For all of you who have been losing sleep waiting for the 'grand answer' to my original post. I had the 2014 RT shocks installed on my 2013 yesterday. Total out of pocket $377.

I have a longer ( long long) post here:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?60434-RT-Weight-distribution/page2

That thread also contains a lot of tech talk between Jerry (spacetiger) and myself about issues with the suspension.

If you are technically inclined / curious you may want to read the thread. If not save yourself the boredom ;) and just go to my on qualitative report in the thread.

Regards,
 
Hi everyone!

For all of you who have been losing sleep waiting for the 'grand answer' to my original post. I had the 2014 RT shocks installed on my 2013 yesterday. Total out of pocket $377.

I have a longer ( long long) post here:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?60434-RT-Weight-distribution/page2

That thread also contains a lot of tech talk between Jerry (spacetiger) and myself about issues with the suspension.

If you are technically inclined / curious you may want to read the thread. If not save yourself the boredom ;) and just go to my on qualitative report in the thread.

Regards,

Thanks for the link sounds promising I have the same complaints you mentioned in that link and it sounded like you like the difference after the '14 shocks were installed. How was the dive on stop with the new shocks a little less I assume since you had what appears to be a little stiffer spring? :thumbup: $377 sure beats $1k.
 
no dive

i QUOTE=Magdave;727928]Thanks for the link sounds promising I have the same complaints you mentioned in that link and it sounded like you
Liked the difference after the '14 shocks were installed. How was the dive on stop with the new shocks a little less I assume since you had what appears to be a little stiffer spring? :thumbup: $377 sure beats $1k.[/QUOTE]

I did not do any panic stops. I may do that over the weekend on a local parking lot. I did a couple of fairly hard stops and of course a lot in between. I did not have any problems with dive and certainly not now.

The cornering is much flatter and as I said I do not think much ride comfort was sacrificed. Handling is so subjective - either way you won't know for sure unless you try and as you said 300 v 1 K ;)
 
2014 Shocks Available from Dealer

Question: How'd you get ahold of a set of 2014 shocks already?? :dontknow: :thumbup:

Bob,

No mystery. ;) I ordered them through my dealer Extreme Propulsion in Cartersville. They are a really great bunch. Although I have a lot of choices in the Atlanta area I ride 80 miles each way to go to them.

I came up with this idea about a month ago and they checked for availability. All the part numbers were in the new parts list. Originally availability only showed 1 shock which is why I did not think I would have a set until end of December. They put the stuff on order and it arrived about a week ago well ahead of what I anticipated. Again you just need the shocks and springs the top perch and collar are re-usable from the 2013 RT.

They can probably order them for you and either have them drop-shipped or ship them when they get them. Talk to Sean he can set you up. If not Paula or DK - actually they all know about it since I bug them to death. LOL 770-386-9430 They are very knowledgeable and also have a laser alignment sytem.

If you lived closer you could come by and take a spin on my unit. NY to Jefferson, GA is probably not a 'day trip.' No kidding LOL

PM - me if you want to talk on the phone.
Regards,
 
Oh... so they probably pulled a set of shocks off of a new bike to fill your order... :shocked: :gaah: :D
Hey... Maybe I'll just order up a bunch of parts, and build my own!! :2thumbs: :yes::yes::yes:
 
I just hope the production shocks perform as well as the pre production models do. If so I feel the Elkas (which I have on my trade in) will not be necessary
 
Oh... so they probably pulled a set of shocks off of a new bike to fill your order... :shocked: :gaah: :D
Hey... Maybe I'll just order up a bunch of parts, and build my own!! :2thumbs: :yes::yes::yes:



can see it already Bob, Looking Good.

Cruzr Joe


 
Oh... so they probably pulled a set of shocks off of a new bike to fill your order... :shocked: :gaah: :D
Hey... Maybe I'll just order up a bunch of parts, and build my own!! :2thumbs: :yes::yes::yes:


Yes, since my grand parents were born in Trois Rivieres PQ I have special status at BRP. :joke: We Quebecois stick together LOL
 
Most Probably Ride that way

I just hope the production shocks perform as well as the pre production models do. If so I feel the Elkas (which I have on my trade in) will not be necessary

If you have had the good fortune to test ride a 2014 then you are probably correct. The 2014 is only 60# heavier than the 2013 according to specs I see. I disagree with people who think that the shocks/spring rate were changed because the 2014 is heavier. IMHO 60 # (out of a max weight of 1500# 4%) on its own just isn't that significant to warrant a spring rate bump.

My opinion is that the suspension changes were a 'rethink' of the ride characteristics based on feedback on the 2013's. I have not ridden a 2014 so as most I do not have a comparison. I also have not ridden an Elka 2013 so can't compare there either.

The new oem shocks are probably best compared against the Elka Stage 1 not the 1+R and 5. You do give up preload adjustability and the compression / rebound adjustments specific to the 1+R and stage 5.

For me the the 1+R's were not on my radar as I do not consider rebound (alone) a big factor (value add) for what I wanted to do. Compression is what I wanted to fix. That is a fixed value on the Stage 1 and 1+R.

My other thread on weight distribution where Jerry and I bantered about was in regard to doing dual adjustable shocks along with dual rate spring set ups. Most people could care less about what we were into technically. Just not applicable to the average cruising rider. In order to get that you need the stage 5's which are more than I wanted to invest.

Bottom line I like what I got for my $377. And again - ride and handling are very subjective - what works for me may not be anyone else's cup of tea. In BRP or any other manufacturers defense it is really hard to 'fit' everyone in a market. I guess that is why SEMA exists :D
 
:2thumbs:
Now: About your "special status"... :D

I got the impression from reading the manuals, that the new Limited is actually a bit over a hundred pounds heavier than lst year's offering...
 
not sure what the real diff is

:2thumbs:
Now
: About your "special status"... :D

I got the impression from reading the manuals, that the new Limited is actually a bit over a hundred pounds heavier than lst year's offering...

Bob,

when you order all the piece parts for building your new bike from scratch let me know and I will see what 'specials' I can get you from bro lol

not sure exactjy how much heavier 2014 is l saw 60# in one of the initial reviews - probably varies some among the six possible variants in the rt line up

I have scales on order so very shortly I will have the figures for my 2013 rts-se5 as well as front-rear distribution and corner weights

does a spyder have 'corner' weights? it is one corner short lol
 
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