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14K service and OOOOPS! I don't think this is good!
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johnwinslow
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OK Bob chill, if you had not put the magnetic oil plugs in, the set screw would never have been detected, and you would have driven it in a stste of bliss until you rode the F3 and traded yours in for a new bike:joke:Can I just say after all this.... I am a little bummed out
My Spyder has been perfect and I have taken care of it extremely well as far as general maintenance goes.
To have this happen totally bums me out today knowing that I have to see a dealer at 14K.
I was hoping to never see a dealer ever in the life of me owning my Spyder (Darth). Alas... it's not to be
It's causing me to reflect on owning a Spyder to be honest when a simple set screw can put me down. No car or other vehicle I have ever owned has done this to me. I put 90K miles on a Honda 750-4 in 1970's with not a single issue.
Anyway to try and have some fun about this but still not being happy, I feel like Bob Denman on this day
So now it's time for me too to deal with a dealer.
After Darth is fixed, if I ever have another BS problem like this I think I will be done with Can-Am / BRP products.
Not being harsh but I like being happy with my ride!
If I am not, then how can someone enjoy a ride that brings grief like this?...
I love my Spyder don't get me wrong! But having something as a simple set screw take me out, in my opinion, is not cool. It makes me think this is not going to be a reliable product for the long run
I am hoping after this is fixed, I don't have any more issues for miles to come.
Bob
garb55
New member
OK so final news on this one.....
My Dealer did a great job! After I picked it up Saturday morning and went on the dealer sponsored ride.... I rode it like I stole it to make sure all was good....
Here is just one segment of the ride yesterday. If you want to see more, see my youtube channel.
Oh and "tail of the dragon"? Ha..... Come to California if you want some real roads
I am sure I will get some interesting comments from this video
But I would say my Spyder if fixed!
You are right about California roads :clap:
Where I live there are a few passes that are steep, winding, and if you miss a turn its a 500 to 1,000 ft. drop:yikes:
just a few:
Tioga Pass [10,000 ft.] to Yosemite national park
Sonora Pass [10,000 ft.] to the central valley
Monitor Pass [9,000ft.] to Lake Tahoe
and more
Don
Firefly
Active member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 'new' maintenance schedule require you to get the 'upgraded' oil filter setup?
I never did it because I have a few of the regular filters laying around.... and I ride pretty hard so I don't mind changing oil every 3,000... which I often stretch to 3,500 ish....
finless
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Firefly
Active member
Mine is an SM5 as well.
I'm talking about the upgraded oil filter that BRP came out with that requires a different cap. That was how they were increasing the timeframe between oil changes if memory serves.
finless
New member
I thought that was for the HCM filter (tranny) not the main engine filter. SE5's have 2 filters. SM5's do not.
I will see if I still have the service bulletin and make sure but pretty sure they increased the size of the tranny filer not the main. Double checking now.
Bob
finless
New member
OK so it is the tranny filter and cap for the SE5.
They did change the part number of the engine oil filter (a material change) but they did not change the size and the engine cover cap.
As you can see in this post by Lamont, the new larger filter and cap is for the HCM (tranny).
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...ters-and-Maintenance-Schedule-for-ALL-Spyders
Bob
They did change the part number of the engine oil filter (a material change) but they did not change the size and the engine cover cap.
As you can see in this post by Lamont, the new larger filter and cap is for the HCM (tranny).
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...ters-and-Maintenance-Schedule-for-ALL-Spyders
Bob
Firefly
Active member
Okay... I knew there was some new cap for a filter. So it seems you can just swap to the new engine filter then if you want longer periods between oil changes.. if you're on an SM5 like you and I. I'll have to use up my stock of 'old' filters before making the change.
speedycoop
Member
Set Screw
Found mine on the magnet 10,000 miles ago, still working fine.(also a 2011 RT) Did not see the need to tear it down for just for that plug. Do you feel lucky?
Found mine on the magnet 10,000 miles ago, still working fine.(also a 2011 RT) Did not see the need to tear it down for just for that plug. Do you feel lucky?
finless
New member
It's a oil pass block off screw and it needs to be fixed. It greatly lowers the oil pressure to parts of the engine.
Don't get it fixed and you are risking your engine or at least reducing it's life.
Also, when mine did this I started seeing a lot of oil on the top of the crank case behind the #2 cylinder because it caused a leak at the engine seal. If you look at the picture you will see it will squirt high pressure oil right at the gasket seal of the clutch case.
Personally, I would have your dealer call BRP and see if this can get done even out of warranty. IT'S A KNOWN FAULT!
Good luck!
Bob
Don't get it fixed and you are risking your engine or at least reducing it's life.
Also, when mine did this I started seeing a lot of oil on the top of the crank case behind the #2 cylinder because it caused a leak at the engine seal. If you look at the picture you will see it will squirt high pressure oil right at the gasket seal of the clutch case.
Personally, I would have your dealer call BRP and see if this can get done even out of warranty. IT'S A KNOWN FAULT!
Good luck!
Bob
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finless
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speedycoop
Member
Set Screw
My dealer did not give me the option to have BRP warranty the job and that was 4 years ago. I will roll the dice! Last I checked it did not look like oil was pushing through in that area.
My dealer did not give me the option to have BRP warranty the job and that was 4 years ago. I will roll the dice! Last I checked it did not look like oil was pushing through in that area.
stmike 1800
Member
that is a ***** load of spyders.Thanks! I hope too!
Here is how many were at the ride last year. I expect it will be more this year. If I breakdown, pretty sure all will be OK
finless
New member
4 years ago you should have been covered under the standard BRP warranty...
Well, your Spyder will be a case study... I hope you ride it a lot....
Bob
speedycoop
Member
Oil galley plug
I have a couple of two wheel bikes I ride when I am by myself. The RT get used when the wife and I go on overnight or local day rides. I plan on keeping the RT for the long run so if any thing changes or happens I will report back.
Chuck
I have a couple of two wheel bikes I ride when I am by myself. The RT get used when the wife and I go on overnight or local day rides. I plan on keeping the RT for the long run so if any thing changes or happens I will report back.
Chuck
Oldtimer51
Member
That is exactly the same thing that I found during my oil change attached to the oil drain plug. Looks like this is more common than I would consider normal for the inside of an engine. Very sad to see this. My trike is too old to be under any warranty so I hope this does not mean that oher parts inside the engine will be falling appart until the engine fails completely.
Oldtimer51
Member
Sorry to hear about this "Set screw problem". I was hopping that the one I found this week after the 5000 oil change was just a fluke during manufacturing and not a regular occurrance in these motors. I am not sure if BRP recognized the problem and is authorizing the dealers to fix the problem or if they are washing their hands and telling the owners good luck with your problem???? Any suggestions are appreciated. (Mine is a 2011 RTStandard.) with only 5000 miles on it. I am the second owner and I put 2K miles in it since we purchased 6 weeks ago.
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