Final word on 1330 oil changes

[Roadster Renovations]

Not sure at this point. What really chaps me is that I will have to replace the filter also. I might do one more drain and fill at 4K with the BRP Blended 5x40, then a complete change at 8K. I think as long as it's changed in that sequence and interval, it won't shear too bad and by then I'll have a plan ready. Probably Mobil 1 for motorcycles. One thing for sure, no way would I go beyond 5K using BRP oil.
You know, someone suggested that BRP had to have extensively tested their oil in the 1330 in order to come up with the 9200 mile interval. This gives me some food for thought and none of it is good. Either it wasn't tested that well or the reports were fudged for some reason or it was planned to wear this engine down to increase maintenance revenues. May be more, those are the ones that come to mind. And as I said, none of them good.

Here is the link for the PDF file. We need to get the word out on this.....

http://dochumphreys.wix.com/roadster#!of-special-interest/c1oum

 

[ulflyer]

It had dropped to mid-upper 20W level in 4700 miles. I'll repeat my mantra that I have yet to find any 10-40 oil, synthetic or otherwise, that will go to 4000 miles and not be down to low 30w.

 

[BajaRon]

Not sure at this point. What really chaps me is that I will have to replace the filter also. I might do one more drain and fill at 4K with the BRP Blended 5x40, then a complete change at 8K. I think as long as it's changed in that sequence and interval, it won't shear too bad and by then I'll have a plan ready. Probably Mobil 1 for motorcycles. One thing for sure, no way would I go beyond 5K using BRP oil.
You know, someone suggested that BRP had to have extensively tested their oil in the 1330 in order to come up with the 9200 mile interval. This gives me some food for thought and none of it is good. Either it wasn't tested that well or the reports were fudged for some reason or it was planned to wear this engine down to increase maintenance revenues. May be more, those are the ones that come to mind. And as I said, none of them good.

Here is the link for the PDF file. We need to get the word out on this.....

http://dochumphreys.wix.com/roadster#!of-special-interest/c1oum

There are other possibilities than the ones you listed. I have never suspected any kind of conspiracy by BRP to intentionally increase wear for any reason.

It may be that the engineers are satisfied that the sheared oil will still lubricate adequately, or that the added wear is acceptable. There is much that we do not know. It may be that there was pressure to reduce maintenance costs for better customer acceptance. We just don't know.

But I must say that I am not surprised that the blended oil falls below specs relatively early. We proved this many times with the 998 Rotax. It is the transmission that does most of the damage. So, adding HP and increasing weight in the 1330 ACE motor did not bode well for the longevity of the blended oil. This is why so many have raised an eyebrow or 2 over the increased service intervals. And I think rightly so.

Most blended oils are only 10% synthetic and 90% plain old dino oil. Some are less than this.

A true Type IV based synthetic oil resists shear much better than dyno oil with additives. Mobil 1 should do better than the BRP blended, especially if it is a 10w-40 instead of a 5w-40. I would hope that Amsoil would do even better than Mobil 1, but I do not have any Spyder specific documentation that would support that.

Great info! Personally, I think it is more reasonable to have your oil tested than to rely on what we think the engineers are doing. After all, if the engineers are right, then the tested oil would simply confirm it.

 

[PW2013STL]

It had dropped to mid-upper 20W level in 4700 miles. I'll repeat my mantra that I have yet to find any 10-40 oil, synthetic or otherwise, that will go to 4000 miles and not be down to low 30w.

I earlier posted results at 6000 miles that showed Mobil 1 10-40w that dropped to about 33w (1330 Oil Report Phase 2). My first post was BRP blended at 6000 miles and that came in at 20w (1330 Oil Report). I currently have BRP full synthetic in, but being dead of winter in Minnesota it will be awhile before I have 6000 on it for testing.

I find it interesting that yours at 4700 miles had a 20w rating and mine at 6000 had the same. It would be nice to see what it would look like at the 9000 mile mark, but I have no intention of finding out on my Spyder.

 

[Highwayman2013]

Very interesting results. It will be great as more results are posted. Thank you to those that pay for the tests and post the results for all of us to see.

 

[Questions]

What is so sad about that is that I was just told by a dealer last week that full synthetic BRP oil would be fine. Wish everyone would get on the same page about this Perhaps our BRP guru could give us the straight skinny on it? We need a way to call our guy like the State Farm dude.

ENGINE OIL Recommended Engine Oil RECOMMENDED ENGINE OIL XPS 4-STROKE SYNTH. BLEND OIL (SUMMER) (P/N 293 600 121)
NOTE: The XPS oil is specially formulated and tested for the severe requirements of this engine. If not available, use a 5W 40 semi-synthetic (minimum) or synthetic motorcycle oil meeting the requirements for API service SJ or above classification. Always check the API service label on the oil container. The same oil is used for the engine, gearbox, clutch and hydraulic control module (HCM) in the SE6 models. NOTICE Do not use engine oil which is not designed specifically for motorcycle application (wet clutch). Automotive application oils contain friction modifiers which can lead to clutch slippage.

 

[Questions]

One persons results are not for everyone!

I just wanted to start by thanking the guys that are posting their results of oil tests for us all to see. Very useful information. Although I hope everyone does not think that these results will 100% apply to them. Every case will be different. Every rider is different. I am a big fan of testing your oils personally. Each person will have different results. I personally do not believe there is a such thing as "overkill" when it comes to protecting your engine from damage. Before we all decide to hang BRP based on these results, we need to remember that there is no way to test every situation, in every condition out there. Is there results perfect? Not even close. Is anyone else's? I would think not. I do not think they would put out a product that they do not believe in. As far as costs go, the more expensive an oil is doesn't necessarily result in a better oil for your machine. On the racing side of things, it is not uncommon to see oil in excess of $250 /gal. and the oil only be good for one qualifying session. When your oil tank holds 4 gallons, that gets expensive. But this oil is not worth a hoot in a regular vehicle. It was made to protect the engine at those extremes and be as thin as possible for the least amount of resistance, but only needed to last 10 miles. MFG's have to try and figure out a formula that will protect their engines in 1000's of different situations. Will some people need to change their oil less than 9600? Yes. But some may be able to go longer. This is where the "Recommended Service Interval" comes in. It is what they saw on average, from severe duty to light duty, the mileage that these machines will need serviced. Bottom line is, a recommendation is just that, a recommendation. It is in the end, up to us, the consumer, to do what we will, with these recommendations.

 

[Professor]

ENGINE OIL Recommended Engine Oil RECOMMENDED ENGINE OIL XPS 4-STROKE SYNTH. BLEND OIL (SUMMER) (P/N 293 600 121)
NOTE: The XPS oil is specially formulated and tested for the severe requirements of this engine. If not available, use a 5W 40 semi-synthetic (minimum) or synthetic motorcycle oil meeting the requirements for API service SJ or above classification. Always check the API service label on the oil container. The same oil is used for the engine, gearbox, clutch and hydraulic control module (HCM) in the SE6 models. NOTICE Do not use engine oil which is not designed specifically for motorcycle application (wet clutch). Automotive application oils contain friction modifiers which can lead to clutch slippage.

I understand the concern about the oil change interval, but I don't understand all the disagreement on the semi or full synthetic issue. Note the direct quote from the owner's manual that Ace so kindly posted says, "...use a 5W 40 semi-synthetic (minimum) or a synthetic motorcycle oil..." So the manual itself says either one is fine as long as it is motorcycle oil. What's all the arguing about? Am I missing something?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OIL

I understand the concern about the oil change interval, but I don't understand all the disagreement on the semi or full synthetic issue. Note the direct quote from the owner's manual that Ace so kindly posted says, "...use a 5W 40 semi-synthetic (minimum) or a synthetic motorcycle oil..." So the manual itself says either one is fine as long as it is motorcycle oil. What's all the arguing about? Am I missing something?

:lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie:....YES,....and so is Ace1330, ......JMHO.......Mike :thumbup::thumbup:

 

[Professor]

:lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie:....YES,....and so is Ace1330, ......JMHO.......Mike :thumbup::thumbup:

Well Mike, no offense, but your answer is totally useless unless you tell me what I'm missing. If there is more to know, tell me what it is or where I can find out. I'm just trying to learn.

 

[Questions]

Yes, please enlighten us!

 

[DB Dan]

oil change interval & type

My new F3S Spyder with the 'wonderful' 1330 engine has the first oil change & service at 3,000 miles & the second service at 9,300 miles
so you can see that they don't suggest a 9,000 mi interval. What I'm not sure of is the type of oil, blended or full synthetic, that it comes
with or that you should continue to use. Also, Is it true that you shouldn't mix the two - what if I need to just add a little=what type??

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

THIS MEETS AND /OR EXCEEDS ALL BRP REQUIREMENTS

My new F3S Spyder with the 'wonderful' 1330 engine has the first oil change & service at 3,000 miles & the second service at 9,300 miles
so you can see that they don't suggest a 9,000 mi interval. What I'm not sure of is the type of oil, blended or full synthetic, that it comes
with or that you should continue to use. Also, Is it true that you shouldn't mix the two - what if I need to just add a little=what type??

DB, I also have the 1330 Ace engine and use the Rotella T-6.... 5w-40 Full Synthetic...$ 22.40 per Gal. @ Walmart ( DO NOT USE THIS IN THE 998 engine ).....I don't know what the F-3 servicing TIME requirements are , but even with Synthetic I wouldn't go more than 5,000 miles without changing it .....Mike :thumbup:

 

[2dogs]

9,300 oil change

My new F3S Spyder with the 'wonderful' 1330 engine has the first oil change & service at 3,000 miles & the second service at 9,300 miles
so you can see that they don't suggest a 9,000 mi interval. What I'm not sure of is the type of oil, blended or full synthetic, that it comes
with or that you should continue to use. Also, Is it true that you shouldn't mix the two - what if I need to just add a little=what type??

BRPcare

• Also, much confusion about oil change interval---after the initial break in service at 3000 miles, is the next oil change done at 9300 miles or 12,300 miles??
  
  
  From the operation's guide, the break in for service is 3000 miles. Other maintenance intervals are every 9300 MI or 1 year - whichever comes first. In other words, the first time the unit has its service done the unit will have 3000 miles. Then, the first regular maintenance + next oil change will be at 12300 miles (9300 miles after the initial service). Afterwards, every 9300 miles should continue to be the norm.
  
  Hope this helps answer your questions.

Last edited by BRPcare; 10-14-2014 at 12:56 PM.​

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[ThreeWheels]

Last word ?

4,100 views of the LAST word ?
I'm sure glad we got that one resolved.

Is there a last word on tires ? opcorn:

 

[2dogs]

4 what it's worth

:dontknow:

 

[Questions]

accidental dislike

Sorry 2dogs, accidently hit dislike when going for thanks button. New to site, don't know how to undislike something.

 

[2dogs]

LOL

Sorry 2dogs, accidently hit dislike when going for thanks button. New to site, don't know how to undislike something.

OK....:roflblack:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

THIS OIL VIDEO

:dontknow:

Nice (?) video , But I hope everybody realizes that the oil they are wowing about is not the OIL you get when you ask for the " oil & filter kits " at the dealer.......That oil is BLENDED OIL.........................NOT " FULL SYNTHETIC " which is what they show you in that video and state is tested to the MAX.......they say nothing about the BLENDED OIL ................WHY ???????................think about it ......Mike :yikes:

 

[DB Dan]

Apologize for wrong info

I stand corrected & apologize for interpreting the manual info reg oil change interval incorrectly.. per the manual & my servicing dealer it does appear to suggest changing oil at 9,300 mi intervals after the initial 3000 mi change...<***>...So Sorry!