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spare key?

Spare Key from Hawaii...

hello my 09 gs spyder only came with one key
is it code protected? can it be duplicated?
I posted a link to my story. I see someone else mentioned the guy from Hawaii. I had a great experience and got 2 keys from him.

I now have a total of 4 keys.

Just a note: Some people have suggested placing a key that will start your Spyder somewhere on your Spyder in a locked compartment and perhaps a cut key (that hasn't been programmed) hidden on the outside to give you access to your hidden key. Too many people have accidentally locked/loss their only key. This includes people who have more then one key, but it is back home and they are travelling.

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Just tell them it is a basic T5 chip

Just picked up 2 keys. Now to find an inexpensive clone solution close to Knoxville

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If you have the programmable blanks, a lot of locksmiths can clone them, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW IT!

Your best option is to have a local automotive locksmith duplicate and clone your key onto the key blank. That way you keep possession of your key. Most automotive locksmiths have cloning devices since most cars use transponders these days. They may not know that their device will clone a Can-Am so just tell them it is a basic T5 chip that any cloning device will clone.
 
I ordered two chipped keys from lockpick.com (about $16), a Master Key from Gearhead.com (about $30 w/ S/H). A local locksmith cut the two keys for me today ($10 apiece, could probably have done cheaper elsewhere). Then I was ready to program. Using the directions in the service manual I used one of my original keys as the functioning one, then used the other original and the two new keys as my "new" set to be programmed. The system worked for programming the second original, but the two chipped keys gave a "bad key" error. So I will take the two new keys and have them cloned instead.

Important Note for anyone using cloned keys. IMHO, you should keep one of your original keys in a safe place. Based upon my results I believe trying to use one of the cloned versions to program new keys in accordance with the service manual will fail and someday you might need to use that process.

I also experimented with using one of the non-programmed keys to start the spyder while a programmed key is nearby. When the good key was in the glove box, the spyder would not start when the blank was on. Once I held the good key next to the blank, the spyder started and continued to run even after the good key was put in my pocket. I did move the byke slightly to ensure that putting it in gear did not shut it down. There may be a limit to how long it will keep running without a programmed key nearby, but I will leave that experiment for another day.
 
I performed the same experiment with a "Dummy" key several years' back, with the same results... :thumbup:
I don't know if there is any practical appication for a usage like that; but it DOES work! :D
 
OK. Confused,(not hard to do) as to what will work on a 2014. Lamont has already said, the 14 's are different. Has anyone found an aftermarket key to fit a 14? :hun: Tom :trike:
 
If you're going to use an IPS; it's BRP keys only...
Otherwise; those chipped blanks that work on any of the other Spyders will work...
 
Thanks Rob for the clarification, Tango got me worried for a while, I had ordered two blanks for my 2014 ;-)

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Where'd you order from? :congrats:
I'm looking at the fellow in Hawaii that'll clone them for you... I just need to become courageous enough, to mail him a key! :shocked:
 
Where'd you order from? :congrats:
I'm looking at the fellow in Hawaii that'll clone them for you... I just need to become courageous enough, to mail him a key! :shocked:

I have orderd them from lockpicks.com ($7.95) plus standard US chipping charge for you guys. I have found a local locksmith to cut and clone the keys (did not ask for cost but it will be still a lot cheaper than dealer)

Daniel

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Where'd you order from? :congrats:
I'm looking at the fellow in Hawaii that'll clone them for you... I just need to become courageous enough, to mail him a key! :shocked:

Bob look at Knarfoh's post where he mentioned to tell the locksmith that the key has a basic T5 chip it did the trick for me :yes::clap::bowdown:
 
I ordered two chipped keys from lockpick.com (about $16), a Master Key from Gearhead.com (about $30 w/ S/H). A local locksmith cut the two keys for me today ($10 apiece, could probably have done cheaper elsewhere). Then I was ready to program. Using the directions in the service manual I used one of my original keys as the functioning one, then used the other original and the two new keys as my "new" set to be programmed. The system worked for programming the second original, but the two chipped keys gave a "bad key" error. So I will take the two new keys and have them cloned instead.

Important Note for anyone using cloned keys. IMHO, you should keep one of your original keys in a safe place. Based upon my results I believe trying to use one of the cloned versions to program new keys in accordance with the service manual will fail and someday you might need to use that process.

I also experimented with using one of the non-programmed keys to start the spyder while a programmed key is nearby. When the good key was in the glove box, the spyder would not start when the blank was on. Once I held the good key next to the blank, the spyder started and continued to run even after the good key was put in my pocket. I did move the byke slightly to ensure that putting it in gear did not shut it down. There may be a limit to how long it will keep running without a programmed key nearby, but I will leave that experiment for another day.

Your results are not a surprise. A clonable key that has not been cloned does not transmit a code so of course it will come up as a bad key. Even if you get them cloned based on one of your keys for your Spyder, they will all look the same to your Spyder. So they cannot be used as different keys during key programing procedure but one can be used for initial good key step.

As per my previously posted video demonstrating the distance that a chipped key can be detected. The distance is the same as my results, but you do not have to hold it there. It will still start once the chipped key has been detected and then taken away.
 
I have taken my blank chip key to about 6 local locksmiths. They say their software cannot read the Can Am Spyder key to clone the blank.
 
If you have the programmable blanks, a lot of locksmiths can clone them, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW IT!

Your best option is to have a local automotive locksmith duplicate and clone your key onto the key blank. That way you keep possession of your key. Most automotive locksmiths have cloning devices since most cars use transponders these days. They may not know that their device will clone a Can-Am so just tell them it is a basic T5 chip that any cloning device will clone.

I'm confused
Are you saying the key sends out a signal?
in order for it to do that would it not have to have a battery in it
If so it will only last so long before the battery goes dead
Then what?
Don
 
I'm confused
Are you saying the key sends out a signal?
in order for it to do that would it not have to have a battery in it
If so it will only last so long before the battery goes dead
Then what?
Don
Not a battery but the second half of a transformer, so to speak. The ignition module has a coil that creates a weak magnetic field. That field is picked up by a coil in the key that then generates a tiny electrical current that activates the transponder in the key. Ever seen a Sonicare toothbrush? It recharges by picking up the magnetic field of the charger base. Same principle used in the key.
 
I'm confused
Are you saying the key sends out a signal?
in order for it to do that would it not have to have a battery in it
If so it will only last so long before the battery goes dead
Then what?
Don
There are transponders that use batteries. But this is not the case of keys for your vehicle (or in this case your Spyder).

What motor vehicle manufacturers are using is a Magnetic Coupled Transponder system. Magnetic Coupled Transponder systems are passive in nature. This means they do not require constant electricity and thus do not need a power source of their own. They operate in the frequency range area of 125KHz. Since Magnetic Coupled Transponders do not have their own power source they are very limited to range of communication and generally operate in the range of 1cm to 15cm (or 0.393701 of an inch to 5.9 inches). Since this is a radio frequency it can penetrate materials that would make the transponder not directly visible, such as the plastic or rubber in a key fob.

The keys must be "programmed" to match your vehicles ignition system because the ignition system is expecting to receive a very specific response from the key when the ignition is turned on. That is why if you loose your keys, it will be necessary to replace components in your Spyder and program the Spyder again. VERY EXPENSIVE!

If you loose one key, but have one remaining, a second key can be made because the information stored in the key transponder can be read. However, a Spyder dealer will want to reprogram the entire system, i.e. ignition system and key with new codes. If a Spyder dealer just cloned your remaining key, then anyone who came into possession of your lost key could start your Spyder and drive away.

Cloning IS NOT what a Spyder dealer does. He actually reprograms the entire system so that any lost key WILL NOT WORK! In order to reprogram the entire system, the Spyder dealer MUST HAVE a working key to accomplish the task.

If you are on a long trip and do not have access to your remaining key and loose the one you have - you are in for a very expensive repair since the dealer will need to replace the electronics in your Spyder. Remember, we are trying to foil thieves, so making it easy to match a key to the electronics of your Spyder defeats the purpose of having a transponder key. The dealer NEEDS a key from your Spyder to work with the existing electronics built-in to your Spyder. Loose both keys and it will cost you $1000 plus to get back on the road.

If you read my earlier posts - I purchased 2 cloned keys. I now have a total of 4 keys. I was comfortable cloning my keys because I had not actually lost one. Even if you lost one key, you may still be okay with just acquiring a cloned key. For example, if you dropped one key in the ocean or in the Grand Canyon, you probably don't have to worry that someone will find it and actually use it to steal your Spyder. If you don't know where you lost your key, you may feel uncomfortable and want the dealer to reprogram your system so the old key won't work.

You are probably using multiple transponders today and may not even know it. People who have their pets "chipped" so it can be identified if the pet is lost have a transponder. You are not having to change a battery in your pet, right? Nope, that is because it uses a similar system of using radio frequencies to send a faint signal to a receiver. People who drive cars that allow them to bypass toll booths at bridges and roads have transponders. If you can just wave your credit card instead of swiping it, you have a transponder.

This also means when you walk around with something in your pocket or on your person with a transponder, you can be tracked. Your smart phone is constantly allowing you to be tracked.

Some transponders require batteries and some don't. Your Spyder key doesn't.

P.S. If you choose to rob a bank, remove everything from your person, credit cards, phones, key fobs, etc. or else you could be tracked!

A transponder is a benign electronic device implanted in the head of a key which remains dormant until awakened by energy derived from its close proximity to an induction coil/antenna at the threshold of a vehicle’s ignition lock. When a transponder becomes energized by the ignition lock being turned ON, it transmits a unique alpha/numeric identity code back to the antenna coil and the on-board computer - for comparison with values stored in the computer’s memory. If the RF transmission from the transponder is an exact match then the engine can be started.

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