carry a pistol?

[texasride]

I hear the term "in this day an age" quite often..... and it strikes me as funny because crime continues to go DOWN every decade in our country. So by in 'this day and age' -- you mean when crime is much lower than it was 50 years ago......

I'm sure some won't believe me-- but you can look the data up yourselves on the DOJ or FBI websites. In particular... school crime is way down compared to 50 years ago...... seems the 'good old days' weren't so good after all....

Totally respect the rights of others to carry.... I just have no need to do it myself...

If crime is down so much in the last 50 years, why are all the prisons full

 

[Bob Denman]

That's all of the OLD convicts wishing that they had been born thirty years later... :roflblack:

This is rapidly degenerating into the "helmet usage" debate... :bdh:

 

[spyder3]

Sorry, But I don't believe anything that comes out of Michael Moore's Mouth

:bowdown::bowdown:

 

[spyder3]

That's all of the OLD convicts wishing that they had been born thrity years later... :roflblack:

This is rapidly degenerating into the "helmet usage" debate... :bdh:

Is packing heat considered part of the ATGATT?:dontknow: :doorag:

 

[SteveMac]

This is rapidly degenerating into the "helmet usage" debate... :bdh:

 

[Bob Denman]

Is packing heat considered part of the ATGATT?:dontknow: :doorag:

It might be! We don't consider it "heat"... That's just a mass-media tag used in movies... :gaah:

It's actually a far more serious issue and should require careful thought before beginning to carry a sidearm for self-defense...
It certainly isn't for everybody!

 

[SPYD3R]

FIREARM CARRY

let's put it this way...
at the ripe ole age of 64, what are my chances if a couple 20 yr olders decide to approach me to take that which is mine? ZERO is what my chances are of beating them off... however, if Col. Colt and his 6 friends are with me, my chances now of fending them off are far greater... don't become a statistic, make them a statistic...

 

[SilverSurfer]

The Haiku of CC

This is one of those threads bound to evoke the spirits of the balanced and the unbalanced, no matter what one's position is on CC permits. I happen to support CC. I also happen to live in Maryland which has very dysfunctional laws regarding the matter. Such is life; I'll deal. I could come up with all kinds of rationalizations ... the 2d Ammendment; the fact that I am tactical and Law Enforcement firearms trained ... well gee. Then I consider there are so many personal defense measures and matters of judgement and prudence to keep one out of harms way ... Sometimes it occurs to me that it would be convenient to carry a firearm, but then I reason all the inconveniences and perils ... it's a wash.

What occurs to me on this thread was how it morphed from a simple question on whether or not folks carried, to bluster and political opinion ... and beyond that, "size comparisons" of exactly what people were carrying. My point is, whether one carries concealed or not, a short statement supporting CC is fine. Beyond that, IMHO, be calm and silent about it. That's the beauty of CC. Nobody knows ... It's discreet and should stay that way. For in my experience, those who want to brag about carrying, and let everyone know they do, down to the 'size of their gun,' and the flavor of their politics, are gong to throw that energy out on the road and in the wrong places, which is sure to draw more trouble than one counted on, that is, one invites the fight.

If one is competent and calm with a firearm and understands the philosophy of personal defense, to include personal defense training, and you can you can obtain permits, great. Otherwise, I say take a good self-defense class if you're concerned about baddies coming up to you and trying to take your wallet and Spyder away. That skill and knowledge packs away much easier than a handgun, and is easier applied. Nobody dies. I would say that 99% of any confidence I have to personal threat resides in personal defense ability, realizing I'm sure there's a battalion of folks out there who could kick my butt. Luck of the draw in life on that, I guess, but that's just where smarts somes in ... knowing where not to go. Wallets and bikes aren't worth lethal response. The Spyder is a great self-defense tool in itself. Those who think they can just jump on one and flee with it who've never ridden one before have a big surprise awaiting them, right?

Namaste,

~ Surfer

 

[danlnc]

I was just curious how many carry when they ryde?

I myself have never owned or carried but since moving to North Carolina and becoming a Corrections Officer I seem to be in the minority. So I was curious if it was just my present circumstances or it was more widespread. My wife and I have talked about purchasing a handgun to carry with us( she is a better shot than I). As a Nam-Vet and old Hippie I have mixed feelings on the matter.

 

[steve635]

on the other hand.....

"I have an 'open wallet' policy when it comes to being robbed. It's only money---- I'll gladly give it to them...."

For some reason Firefly, your posts are quite the effective stimulant for my rapidly deteriorating memory. About 10 years ago a friend of mine who'd had to take an early retirement from the Fire Department (nasty fall that destroyed both knees, only 54 and has 2 artificial knees) was working as a bartender at a restaurant in New Orleans. One evening three fine local gentlemen came in together, then after ordering a beer, one pulled a gun and put it in my friend's face while the other two had all the customers lay on the floor while they removed all of their valuables. When they had collected everything, instead of leaving they started moving everyone toward the freezer (probably not for friendly conversation), it was then that my friend went for his gun (who by the way, shoots competitively with a number of firearms). He shot all three, killing one, paralyzing a second, and wounding the third significantly enough, that he was later picked up by police at the hospital. While testifying against the second perp, the guy's lawyer actually asked my friend if he had regrets about how he had ruined the life of this 18 year old kid, my friend informed the lawyer that he indeed had deep regrets that he had not killed all three, as that was his intention when he went for the gun (this is not some urban legend, I have known the person involved for over 20 years and a lot of fellow firemen heard the court comment first hand when they attended the trial in his support).
The point here is that what if giving up your money is not enough? What if the two-time loser does not want to be recognized for the third time? In the U.S. violent crime has indeed declined, and the places where it has declined most significantly are in the states with the most liberal (traditional meaning of the word) concealed carry laws (an indisputable fact, check the FBI's data).

Finally, I'd like to thank you for respecting my right to carry, and I certainly respect your right not to carry. That is what living in a free society requires from it's citizens, and is too often missing today.

 

[Camdenlake]

This is one of those threads bound to evoke the spirits of the balanced and the unbalanced, no matter what one's position is on CC permits. I happen to support CC. I also happen to live in Maryland which has very dysfunctional laws regarding the matter. Such is life; I'll deal. I could come up with all kinds of rationalizations ... the 2d Ammendment; the fact that I am tactical and Law Enforcement firearms trained ... well gee. Then I consider there are so many personal defense measures and matters of judgement and prudence to keep one out of harms way ... Sometimes it occurs to me that it would be convenient to carry a firearm, but then I reason all the inconveniences and perils ... it's a wash.

What occurs to me on this thread was how it morphed from a simple question on whether or not folks carried, to bluster and political opinion ... and beyond that, "size comparisons" of exactly what people were carrying. My point is, whether one carries concealed or not, a short statement supporting CC is fine. Beyond that, IMHO, be calm and silent about it. That's the beauty of CC. Nobody knows ... It's discreet and should stay that way. For in my experience, those who want to brag about carrying, and let everyone know they do, down to the 'size of their gun,' and the flavor of their politics, are gong to throw that energy out on the road and in the wrong places, which is sure to draw more trouble than one counted on, that is, one invites the fight.

If one is competent and calm with a firearm and understands the philosophy of personal defense, to include personal defense training, and you can you can obtain permits, great. Otherwise, I say take a good self-defense class if you're concerned about baddies coming up to you and trying to take your wallet and Spyder away. That skill and knowledge packs away much easier than a handgun, and is easier applied. Nobody dies. I would say that 99% of any confidence I have to personal threat resides in personal defense ability, realizing I'm sure there's a battalion of folks out there who could kick my butt. Luck of the draw in life on that, I guess, but that's just where smarts somes in ... knowing where not to go. Wallets and bikes aren't worth lethal response. The Spyder is a great self-defense tool in itself. Those who think they can just jump on one and flee with it who've never ridden one before have a big surprise awaiting them, right?

Namaste,

~ Surfer

Well said.

Josh

 

[shelbydave]

Don't even own one... Although, I have given that some thought in recent times. Even if I did own one, I probably wouldn't carry on my rydes.

 

[Firefly]

let's put it this way...
at the ripe ole age of 64, what are my chances if a couple 20 yr olders decide to approach me to take that which is mine? ZERO is what my chances are of beating them off... however, if Col. Colt and his 6 friends are with me, my chances now of fending them off are far greater... don't become a statistic, make them a statistic...

Yeah-- and buy pulling a gun you escalate the situation to where someone very well may get shot or killed.

Why not just give them your stuff and move on? Insurance can replace any material items you have taken..... but not your life--- or theirs.

There's no amount of money you could be carrying that is worth taking anyone's life--- even the scumbag criminal's life......

 

[Firefly]

"I have an 'open wallet' policy when it comes to being robbed. It's only money---- I'll gladly give it to them...."

For some reason Firefly, your posts are quite the effective stimulant for my rapidly deteriorating memory. About 10 years ago a friend of mine who'd had to take an early retirement from the Fire Department (nasty fall that destroyed both knees, only 54 and has 2 artificial knees) was working as a bartender at a restaurant in New Orleans. One evening three fine local gentlemen came in together, then after ordering a beer, one pulled a gun and put it in my friend's face while the other two had all the customers lay on the floor while they removed all of their valuables. When they had collected everything, instead of leaving they started moving everyone toward the freezer (probably not for friendly conversation), it was then that my friend went for his gun (who by the way, shoots competitively with a number of firearms). He shot all three, killing one, paralyzing a second, and wounding the third significantly enough, that he was later picked up by police at the hospital. While testifying against the second perp, the guy's lawyer actually asked my friend if he had regrets about how he had ruined the life of this 18 year old kid, my friend informed the lawyer that he indeed had deep regrets that he had not killed all three, as that was his intention when he went for the gun (this is not some urban legend, I have known the person involved for over 20 years and a lot of fellow firemen heard the court comment first hand when they attended the trial in his support).
The point here is that what if giving up your money is not enough? What if the two-time loser does not want to be recognized for the third time? In the U.S. violent crime has indeed declined, and the places where it has declined most significantly are in the states with the most liberal (traditional meaning of the word) concealed carry laws (an indisputable fact, check the FBI's data).

Finally, I'd like to thank you for respecting my right to carry, and I certainly respect your right not to carry. That is what living in a free society requires from it's citizens, and is too often missing today.

Well, I feel sorry for your friend that he felt so good about taking a life. Ask anyone in law enforcement and they'll tell you the best option is to give them what they want and let them leave.. then call the police. He could have easily been killed or got one of the patrons killed. He escalated the situation when it didn't need to be. 99% of the time they just want the money and will leave.

Whatever items they were taking were not worth the life of a young 18 year old - no way - no how.... no matter how much a of a bad person he was.

 

[Firefly]

If crime is down so much in the last 50 years, why are all the prisons full

Arcane drug laws for the most part.

Crime as a percentage of our population is down, but as our population grows-- obviously the number incarcerated does also.

I should also quantify-- in particular.. VIOLENT crime is way down in the USA compared to 10, 20, 30, 50 years ago.

If we got rid of the stupid war on drugs-- crime would be at an unreal low rate.....

 

[Daisyjoe]

Wherever legal.... both my wife and I have CWP's. Note in SC however as there is no recip with Georgia. As a result we go out of our way to avoid that state whenever possible.

NO RECIP WITH GEORGIA????? PLEASE EXPLAIN.

 

[Firefly]

Sorry, But I don't believe anything that comes out of Michael Moore's Mouth

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. At least he did get the laws changed so that kids can't just waltz into a Walmart and buy ammo without ID....... can't argue with that can ya?

 

[Firefly]

I agree there should be reciprocity between all states on CCW.... but-- they need all need to adopt the same guidelines then in order to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs. Example would be Jared Lee Loughner. In many states he would never have been allowed to own a gun due to his nutty background.

I know I come across as anti-gun.. but I'm really not. I'm anti-gun for ME... and for the nutjobs out there..... but responsible owners I'm okay with.

Just like wearing a helmet or not.. it's a personal choice... and if I chose to be stupid and not wear one--- I have the right to be stupid on a personal level.......

 

[dave01]

Just like wearing a helmet or not.. it's a personal choice... and if I chose to be stupid and not wear one--- I have the right to be stupid on a personal level.......

I choose to be double safe....I carry my gun in my helmet.

 

[captblack]

NO RECIP WITH GEORGIA????? PLEASE EXPLAIN.

I think it has something to do with training in SC - not sure, though. The politicians can't seem to agree and it is a pain, I will tell you. Made a trip to Asheville. Stopped in Hardeeville to unload and lock up ... stopped again at the NC rest area to reload. It sucks ...