i wanna ride with shorts

[NancysToy]

I understand what you are saying Scotty, no denying the good stuff works. But I still contend it isn't the UTMOST protection one can wear.

Mesh may be good, but wouldn't you agree that a fully armored textile or leather, fireproof suit would offer "more" protection?

Sorry, this whole ATGATT stuff always sticks in my craw, because I see folks make concessions to the "utmost safety" to a level where THEY are comfortable with it and then they can say, " Well,,,, yeah, but it is still safer than xxxx".

Honestly, who gets to decide when a concession to the utmost safety is still OK and still ATGATT? I guess we all have to have that "one thing" that just bugs the heck out of us. This one thing is mine. pps:

To me ATGATT is an easy acronym to use and I get it, I really do. But to me, ATGATT is the absolute epitomy of protection you can wear and you must wear it at all times. Anything less isn't ATGATT,,, (to me). Now saying to someone that they would be safer to gear up, or that mesh would be safer than shorts, makes absolute sense and I agree with that. But it bugs me when I see an ATGATT proponent in jeans and a non-armored mesh jacket or "worse" a t-shirt.

OK. I am done. LOL. :roflblack:
Sorry for the rant. I still feel the love brother. See you in Durango! :thumbup:

There is little difference between solid textiles and mesh textile gear...apart from the snag factor. Bot show good resistance to abrasion and meting. The armor in some mesh gear is less, and that would be a factor, but most good quaility jackets and pant have equal armor in both versions. None would be as good as leather, with padding and 2-3 layers at critical point, and armor. Full one-piece suits would be the safest. Few of us would ever wear this kind of racing gear on the street. As to firesuits, Nomex is not abrasion resistant and is not a good idea.

I heartily agree with you that ATGATT is overused, misunderstood, and mostly abused. It also means different things to different people...as you have so aptly pointed out. Is a person wearing a half helmet as safe as a person with a full-face version? Is a person wearing textiles as safe as one in leathers? Is a person wearing fingerless gloves as safe as one wearing armored leather gloves? How about the rider wearing the right suit and helmet but mere tennis shoes? Too much room to wiggle here.

What began as a program to encourage riders to wear full protective jackets and pants, a helmet, gloves and at least ankle high boots turned into something else. A rider must gauge his or her own degree of risk and the appropriate protective needs, and go with what he feels is appropriate. I will shake my head at a rider wearing shorts, but I won't lecture him. I will also shake my head about a street rider (especially of a Spyder) wearing full leathers in the summer sun...but they won't get anything except maybe asking if they'd like to share my water. Instead of ATGATT, perhaps we should just do like Hill Street Blues and say, "Be careful out there!"

C ya in CO! Looking forward to it, my friend.

 

[zrc]

I think I should make a mist mod for the right side, just a little nozzle that sprays water at almost vaporized levels, the air and heat will do the rest, then you can use the wetish leg to get sun burnt to hades and gone.

 

[Sny]

I think I should make a mist mod for the right side, just a little nozzle that sprays water at almost vaporized levels, the air and heat will do the rest, then you can use the wetish leg to get sun burnt to hades and gone.

I freeze my water and in the sun it condensates and the cold water splatters all over my right leg (cup holder is on the right). My reaction was something like "DAMNIT! Now I need to... oh that feels kinda nice..." pps:

 

[draboo]

Ride side saddle!

 

[SpyderMonkei]

I love riding with my shorts,, But the heat is killing me.Is it from the fan or the side of the motor,, Give me some pointers please

Wear your shorts and a pair of Mesh Summer riding pants from Rocket or whichever brand you wish. That's what I do, when I get to my location I can easily take the mesh pants off and be in my shorts.

Just a thought.

 

[bone crusher]

:agree:Been there, done that. Bee right up my shorts, thigh.......... (and beyond :shocked. Stung me more than once, and I unloaded myself from a BMW K1200LT faster than anyone that has stopped from 65 MPH and dismounted in history. Thank goodness for the anti-lock brakes, even back in 2000. My buddies got a great laugh at me dancing along side a 4 lane road in Virginia, once they knew I was "somewhat" OK that is.
Should have learned my lesson, however
I still like to sometimes ride in shorts, but this Spyder does not make that comfortable, due to the heat. So, for the Spyder rides, I've been wearing light jeans.
I've never cared to dress in protective gear in warm weather, although I know it would be better to do so. Always wear a helmet though.

I have sympathy for your story but that is not unique to wearing shorts and riding...sorry! :shocked: I was riding in my BMW with the top up and somehow a hornet got on my left arm..stung me...I swerved quickly and hit a pole, taking the 4x4 out of the ground...so, this can happen with any vehicle. argh!

 

[bone crusher]

There is little difference between solid textiles and mesh textile gear...apart from the snag factor. Bot show good resistance to abrasion and meting. The armor in some mesh gear is less, and that would be a factor, but most good quaility jackets and pant have equal armor in both versions. None would be as good as leather, with padding and 2-3 layers at critical point, and armor. Full one-piece suits would be the safest. Few of us would ever wear this kind of racing gear on the street. As to firesuits, Nomex is not abrasion resistant and is not a good idea.

I heartily agree with you that ATGATT is overused, misunderstood, and mostly abused. It also means different things to different people...as you have so aptly pointed out. Is a person wearing a half helmet as safe as a person with a full-face version? Is a person wearing textiles as safe as one in leathers? Is a person wearing fingerless gloves as safe as one wearing armored leather gloves? How about the rider wearing the right suit and helmet but mere tennis shoes? Too much room to wiggle here.

What began as a program to encourage riders to wear full protective jackets and pants, a helmet, gloves and at least ankle high boots turned into something else. A rider must gauge his or her own degree of risk and the appropriate prtotective needs, and go with what he feels is appropriate. I will shake my head at a rider wearing shorts, but I won't lecture him. I will also shake my head about a street rider (especially of a Spyder) wearing full leathers in the summer sun...but they won't get anything except maybe asking if they'd like to share my water. Instead of ATGATT, perhaps we should just do like Hill Street Blues and say, "Be careful out there!"

C ya in CO! Looking forward to it, my friend.

Agreed...the great thing is that you cannot drop your spyder and this is one of the main reasons you wear gear...to protect you with sliding. If you are hit directly by a large vehicle, it doesn't really matter what you are wearing. There is a lot to be said about 3 wheels...

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

WELL Thanks to all who replied and help with my issues..Which my wife says I have many more.. LOL
I have called Spyder Pops and ordered what he suggested,, So hopefully if all goes well I can ride with shorts on and by the sounds of it one hand on a can of bee spray,, That just doesnt sound fun lol.. Thanks again

 

[bone crusher]

WELL Thanks to all who replied and help with my issues..Which my wife says I have many more.. LOL
I have called Spyder Pops and ordered what he suggested,, So hopefully if all goes well I can ride with shorts on and by the sounds of it one hand on a can of bee spray,, That just doesnt sound fun lol.. Thanks again

Enjoy...ride and be comfortable. You don't want to sacrifice safety, but most of the safety concerns with coming off a bike are mitigated by being on a Spyder...this is a great thing. Make your bike as bright as possible and ride appropriately (this means don't ride scared or too unsafe)...

 

[Arr MiHardies]

For me it's more like SOGMOTT. ... Some Of the Gear Most Of The Time.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Enjoy...ride and be comfortable. You don't want to sacrifice safety, but most of the safety concerns with coming off a bike are mitigated by being on a Spyder...this is a great thing. Make your bike as bright as possible and ride appropriately (this means don't ride scared or too unsafe)...

ITS NEUTRON GREEN.. NEED I SAY MORE LOL

 

[SteveMac]

ITS NEUTRON GREEN.. NEED I SAY MORE LOL

And Green is the safest!

 

[SteveMac]

There is little difference between solid textiles and mesh textile gear...apart from the snag factor. Bot show good resistance to abrasion and meting. The armor in some mesh gear is less, and that would be a factor, but most good quaility jackets and pant have equal armor in both versions. None would be as good as leather, with padding and 2-3 layers at critical point, and armor. Full one-piece suits would be the safest. Few of us would ever wear this kind of racing gear on the street. As to firesuits, Nomex is not abrasion resistant and is not a good idea.

I heartily agree with you that ATGATT is overused, misunderstood, and mostly abused. It also means different things to different people...as you have so aptly pointed out. Is a person wearing a half helmet as safe as a person with a full-face version? Is a person wearing textiles as safe as one in leathers? Is a person wearing fingerless gloves as safe as one wearing armored leather gloves? How about the rider wearing the right suit and helmet but mere tennis shoes? Too much room to wiggle here.

What began as a program to encourage riders to wear full protective jackets and pants, a helmet, gloves and at least ankle high boots turned into something else. A rider must gauge his or her own degree of risk and the appropriate prtotective needs, and go with what he feels is appropriate. I will shake my head at a rider wearing shorts, but I won't lecture him. I will also shake my head about a street rider (especially of a Spyder) wearing full leathers in the summer sun...but they won't get anything except maybe asking if they'd like to share my water. Instead of ATGATT, perhaps we should just do like Hill Street Blues and say, "Be careful out there!"

C ya in CO! Looking forward to it, my friend.

Amen Brother. Well said! :firstplace:

I am packing all the gear in the trailer this week! Getting really anxious to leave! Can't wait to see Colorado. Ive never been there.

 

[Bob Denman]

I'm getting "If you can read this flip me over" painted on my rear fender.

:shocked: Well here's to hoping that we never have to!
:cheers:

 

[StanProff]

WELL Thanks to all who replied and help with my issues..Which my wife says I have many more.. LOL
I have called Spyder Pops and ordered what he suggested,, So hopefully if all goes well I can ride with shorts on and by the sounds of it one hand on a can of bee spray,, That just doesnt sound fun lol.. Thanks again

I have ridden bikes over 40 years. The spyder is THE safest thing to ride for sure. I try to be reasonable with clothing mainly always geans and a mesh jacket. When the temp. approches 90 the jacket goes and it t'shirt time. We have all seen the sport bikers going overboard with the full leathers and knee pucks in 90 degree weather. Dang! they gotta be ready for heat stroke! If I had to dress up like a Power Ranger to ride I would just stay home. I don't ride bare legged and if I did people would think I was sitting on a chicken so I keep my jeans on. I find that some of the hot air is deflected and doesn't reach the skin. the same for boots, the leather deflects a lot of the heat. my feet are cooler in boots than they are tennis shoes, odd but true. Maybe a hybrid boot, leather on the spyder side and mesh on the other side. Now that would work. Heat deflection with ventalition Maybe we are over thinking this.

 

[Dragonrider]

I will be headed to Lake Pend Oreille, ID shortly, and am looking forward to riding around it with no helmet, wearing sandals, Levis (because no one at my age should be seen in public in shorts), and "T" shirt. Mostly because I can, and am tired of laws devised by non-riders saying I can't.

While I usually wear a helmet (1/2), sometimes it feels good not to…..

 

[d.o.spyder-rts]

I think we all will have to agree to disagree on this topic. That being said, Scotty hit the nail on the head when he talked about risk. We all accept different levels of risk which will determine what safety gear we will/will not wear. I will always ride with helmet, gloves, long pants and boots or sturdy shoes that cover the ankles. Since I getting back into the "sport" after a three year absence, I will eventually be getting a mesh jacket, hopefully soon it's getting warmer in FL. Dale

 

[FaranH]

I think I should make a mist mod for the right side, just a little nozzle that sprays water at almost vaporized levels, the air and heat will do the restQUOTE]

Genius!!:clap: They do this on the side of football games in the South when it's technically football season, but still 90 degrees at 7pm. Mist in the face and on the legs would be awesome. Sign me up when you invent it!

 

[Arr MiHardies]

My father was killed by a head injury in a motorcycle accident. No helmet, no ride here.

 

[bikeguy]

I think I should make a mist mod for the right side, just a little nozzle that sprays water at almost vaporized levels, the air and heat will do the restQUOTE]

Genius!!:clap: They do this on the side of football games in the South when it's technically football season, but still 90 degrees at 7pm. Mist in the face and on the legs would be awesome. Sign me up when you invent it!

I have a friend with a mister on his Gold Wing. I don't know if he made it himself or bought it somewhere but as long as the water container wasn't empty it worked just fine.

Cotton