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Can Am Leaning Trike Patent
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SXSMachine
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Sounds like you have thought about the process while in possesion of one and your saying as well you've actually seen it so I'd be very keen if you had any links or were able to find any links to it.
next you need round pattern tyres, - Yes and they will likely be taller with current vision
strip entire belly, Not sure why you think but extra height tyres will likely negate
reposition both radiators( possibly on front, instead of frunk), Id like to relocate them to make that part of the bike narrower because I'd like the overall front track to be narower as well
redesign entire breaking system Not sure of the technical resons for this so is there something I don't know about the current braking system?
That is all possible, all doable, all been done already, what seems to be a big job to me is - not to make it ugly and that is going to be a challenge. This is the bit if its all been done already i dont want to recreeate the wheel, design while somewhat rewarding is just an overhead at this point so if you know where this has already been done can you please point me to it? I'm sure everyone would love to see it anyway so we may as well air it here.
ray:price mark? - I wouldn't be surprised if it is Current Spyder price +$10K , and maybe I would be surprised that it's not more actually. I'd consider a front accident damage bike a $5k kit and a even $5k installation to come out around even on a similar Km's 2nd hand bike to be an acceptable outcome for someone who wanted one.
The engine doesn't worry me and I dont think it will for most people I think would buy such a quadracycle other people making quadracycles could worry about other engines for performance.
DragonLorD
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SXS
SXS,
i think that you are looking for something what is out there already - definitely not a leaning Spyder if you prefer narrover body. I think you may be a fish from BRUDELI of SUNNY pond , maybe just conversion is all what is needed for your happiness and in that case you good to go after MONSTROSITY ( DUCATI MONSTER ) or SIXMONKEYS ( TRIUMPH ) , which both are decent pieces of engineering and craftsmanship . So I think it's all good news for you, no limits, just go, get it and enjoy it. I am almost sure that there is crowd in States with reverse triked YAMAHA R1 with $50K tag but I might be wrong.
Why Striped Belly? - oh common, you are not going to put 20" on the front in order to be able to lean a bit right? It still won't be big enough for leaning current Spyder and not to rip "wings" off.
Why redesign breaking system?
Current Spyder = some 30" Tyre Surface grounding ( depense what size your fronts are )
Leaning Trike = Some 8" Tyre surface grounding max. ( any given time )
....almost 400% difference in ground resistance ?
....need to go into details?
well, I didn't think so.
BTW , I know nothing more than any one else.
Putting pros and cons down its current non leaning Spyder for me , I am definitely not saying that they shouldn't make it, not at all, I am just not going to buy it, that's all.
Ryde Safe
SXS,
i think that you are looking for something what is out there already - definitely not a leaning Spyder if you prefer narrover body. I think you may be a fish from BRUDELI of SUNNY pond , maybe just conversion is all what is needed for your happiness and in that case you good to go after MONSTROSITY ( DUCATI MONSTER ) or SIXMONKEYS ( TRIUMPH ) , which both are decent pieces of engineering and craftsmanship . So I think it's all good news for you, no limits, just go, get it and enjoy it. I am almost sure that there is crowd in States with reverse triked YAMAHA R1 with $50K tag but I might be wrong.
Why Striped Belly? - oh common, you are not going to put 20" on the front in order to be able to lean a bit right? It still won't be big enough for leaning current Spyder and not to rip "wings" off.
Why redesign breaking system?
Current Spyder = some 30" Tyre Surface grounding ( depense what size your fronts are )
Leaning Trike = Some 8" Tyre surface grounding max. ( any given time )
....almost 400% difference in ground resistance ?
....need to go into details?
well, I didn't think so.
BTW , I know nothing more than any one else.
Putting pros and cons down its current non leaning Spyder for me , I am definitely not saying that they shouldn't make it, not at all, I am just not going to buy it, that's all.
Ryde Safe
SXSMachine
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No to Brudelli who are not is production and 3 times too wide on track front.
No to Ducati whatever it is for same reason and both are not 4 wheels.
Not quite sure of the triumph (sixmokeys?). Havent seen it I dont think.
So no I'm not looking for something thats already out there if those are what you are thinking you not on the same page I'm specifically looking for a 4 wheel leaning bike like the Tesseract although the design of my leaning system is different.
I have seen the Y-ikes drawing/ photoshop/ prototype of a Ducati and R1 with a very neatly tucked in front end, again not close to what I am after, mobility is part of my issue and sports bikes are not the focus of what I am doing anyway.
In terms of knocking the belly on the ground depends where you mount the axis points of the arms for tilting, definately ways around it and my design wont be imapacted by that but also in my design I do want a skinnier front end where the radiators are mounted and a narrower track at the front.
Braking system is just going to be assess what calipers etc are in place and take into account the weight of the machine and rider plus the fact it has twice the contact patch of a motorcycle although less than a Spyder. No biggie to figure out, I have to have a Roadworthy engineer approve all that and possibly be the end designer in the first place.
Its not a list of pro's and cons to me but i think you just had the wrong picture in your head of what I was looking at designing and doing. Given you are looking for a more sporting engine I seriously doubt you would want to buy it as you say but thats OK I may only make one for me, I'd just like to be able to recoup some costs by selling the design or kits in the future.
SXSMachine
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Well a status update is due because i do have somefeedback.
That is that locally with my State roads authority I have gained permission to design such a bike for my use and been reffered to what my state authorities consider to be the list of engineers who can design, build or amend a roadworthy vehicle/ bike to suit any non-standard requirements and in my case that will be to my requirements as an "enabled" spyder rider. :yes::yes::yes:
I have preliminary approval for both camber/tilt steer modification and for a 4th wheel, so essentially I am going to come out of the process with a fairly different machine but it will be familiar to Spyder riders as the basic body shape itself will not change so much just the suspension and drive line below it.
I've got my idea's now and even though in Australia I may not be able to make more of them for sale, if the unit turns out to be a performer i would be interested to take it into production both as a Y-ike where legal and as a (dont know if I'm settled on X-ike or K-ike but in reality I think the main struts will be represented by a K) 4wheeler a Quadricycle if you will.
So at any rate I have to try and do some industrial design drawing which I just cannot do because I am lucky to draw a stick figure. To combat that I guess I'll get a series of photo graphs off the net and say, not like that but like this until I have a series of cutout pictures that look, a I have a series of do's and dont's and maybe have the end picture of what it should perhaps look like and I'll start my engineering discussions with that.
If anyone enjoys industrial design drawing and rendering and would enjoy helping me out with this now is the time to put up your hand!
Cheers Sydie's, long may you weave those roads!! :spyder2:
Warlock
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SXSMachine
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Thanks Warlock (David) sorry to be a bit slow getting back to you, just out of hospital after getting vertebrae in my neck seized, still feeling pretty ****ty but cant spend all day in bed or up or even up or down like the Grand old Duke of Yorke's men. But yes I have looked at the online output of this guy a lot and even exchanged e-mails but his focus is just a single ended system at this point and they are a dime a dozen, what I am going to initially pitch is a leaning (I call it cambering because you use the sides of the regular rounded motorcycle tyre) quadcycle so the thing I really had to work on this differently to a deflection/torsion bar system they use as well. As is also the case with the Can Am Patent I believe.
be interesting if he got it going but it seems the mistake many start up designers like this make is they try to get all their money in return off the first few buyers and its ludicrously expensive and say a pending manufacturer have the same plan in terms of return, charge heaps for the first few and stuff en that there are people with significantly enough money out there to do it. If it ever gets to be a production piece for me the production price has to be affordable across the board or it may as well never see the light of day as there is no money in 25 units.
Also to be honest, I dont like the look of tilting works conversions at all and they are generally making long wheelbases longer which adds as much handling difficulty as enhancement in my book. But that's a personal opinion and not a one to one comparison of the features that make the bikes usable.
Thanks again Gavin
SXSMachine
Member
Quick update.
Was just in hospital getting some vertebrae seized in my neck, which was fun - NOT!, which gave me some time out.
I put it to good use and worked on a more detailed design of the rear end of the quadcycle.
Some investigation showed up some spectacularly cool stuff for the rear to make it all just a bit smart than A-arms and certainly advanced my trailing arm design. In doing so I hope the product will be vastly superior in prototype to reach the pre-production machine on the first attempt from a skeletal point of view and then it can just come down to a few cosmetics but the design should provide for as few chanes as possible for people to not have a huge outlay.
Going to take a while but hopefully things will pan out within 6months but I but in saying that watch around 12!opcorn:opcorn:
Cheers and keep it sticky side down!
Was just in hospital getting some vertebrae seized in my neck, which was fun - NOT!, which gave me some time out.
I put it to good use and worked on a more detailed design of the rear end of the quadcycle.
Some investigation showed up some spectacularly cool stuff for the rear to make it all just a bit smart than A-arms and certainly advanced my trailing arm design. In doing so I hope the product will be vastly superior in prototype to reach the pre-production machine on the first attempt from a skeletal point of view and then it can just come down to a few cosmetics but the design should provide for as few chanes as possible for people to not have a huge outlay.
Going to take a while but hopefully things will pan out within 6months but I but in saying that watch around 12!
opcorn:opcorn:Cheers and keep it sticky side down!
SXSMachine
Member
Delays always aggravate me, even if its within the same month the lack of movement on a project get me jumping. Still hope to meet with potential designers and manufacturers soon and then get on with it. :banghead::banghead:
