Fire Joe
MOgang Member
Pretty sure there is one, you can pull the fuse for the DPS
I rode my Spyder for close to 2 months this past year like that while I waited for a new DPS unit to arrive when mine went out.
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RT ACCIDENT
- Thread starter Desert Spyder
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Pretty sure there is one, you can pull the fuse for the DPS
I rode my Spyder for close to 2 months this past year like that while I waited for a new DPS unit to arrive when mine went out.
AMTJIM
New member
Any thoughts on this? Did it yank the bar to the right and then try to correct itself and yank left? An uncommanded ghost "s" manuever?
bruiser
New member
AMTJIM
I mentioned earlier how he was turning left and was straightening out when it happened and this was not the case. Picture yourself at a 4-way stop with 2 lanes going each direction and the turn lane in the middle. Wayne was turning left at the intersection. Within 1-1.5 seconds he felt the right front dip suddenly but had no idea why. He remembered no sound. He was trying his best to steer to safety but the steering was locked and he struck a curb, the bike rolled to its side, throwing the occupants, and righted itself. As soon as he saw his wife was alright he turned the engine off and that was the last he had anything to do with the bike. He has not seen the bike since. It was actually towed about 200 yards away. As quoted from DesertSpyder
I mentioned earlier how he was turning left and was straightening out when it happened and this was not the case. Picture yourself at a 4-way stop with 2 lanes going each direction and the turn lane in the middle. Wayne was turning left at the intersection. Within 1-1.5 seconds he felt the right front dip suddenly but had no idea why. He remembered no sound. He was trying his best to steer to safety but the steering was locked and he struck a curb, the bike rolled to its side, throwing the occupants, and righted itself. As soon as he saw his wife was alright he turned the engine off and that was the last he had anything to do with the bike. He has not seen the bike since. It was actually towed about 200 yards away. As quoted from DesertSpyder
New Sharon Spyder
New member
It sounds like the folks on the Spyder are ok but beat up some. Please let them have a speedy recovery and hope this does not stop them from getting back on the road on any type machine they feel safe with. But lets not condem the Spyder or the driver operation untill some investigation goes into this accident. I am in Fire / EMS and see some weird things happen on the road all the time. Some make sence, alot do not. I have been on reconstruction of a few crashes and they can find many causes, sometimes you can't. It is hard not to get angry about this after hearing the history of the DPS. Hope we find out for sure what happened....
Raptor
New member
Pretty sure there is one, you can pull the fuse for the DPS
You know I tried that once and all Hades broke loose on the cluster! All kinds of codes and indicators started appearing and it scared me so I put the thing back in! I am very curious, Sir; what happened when you pulled yor fuse?
SpyderWolf
New member
Desert Spyder, Thanks for the update on the status of Wayne and Sue, and for providing the additional information as well. I am sure we will all be anxiously awaiting any results from the investigation in the accident. I am very glad they were not seriously injured during this incident.
Fire Joe
MOgang Member
All was fine with my cluster when the fuse was pulled. Only thing that was showing was the "Check DPS" message.
groundeffect
Registered User
:agree:
Very glad Wayne and Sue are OK!! Rest up well!!
Waiting to hear more on the machine, now.
AMTJIM
New member
Got it, thanx.
wyliec
New member
If I remember correctly from a post awhile back, there are actually 2 fuses; one near the trunk and the other under the seat.
Firefly
Active member
Very glad they're okay!
Now that we have much better information, it's pretty clear this *may* have had nothing to do with the DPS. The other important thing mentioned was that he hit a curb. I've yet to hear of a Spyder flipping over without the assistance of something like a curb.
I personally don't see a spyder being able to flip at such a slow speed without some external influence (curb).
And with all due respect to the rider - (and I'm not saying this was the case here as I wasn't there and don't know the riders experience level) - most accidents are due to operator error - not equipment malfunction.
We all need to be prepared for equipment failure at all times. Something as simple as a flat tire could instigate an accident such as this one.
Practice the various maneuvers in the owners manual. Practice emergency shutdowns, etc.
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One other thing I noticed that might be a typo Desert Spyder-- you mentioned a 10-15 second gap between riders. This seem really really excessive for a 'group' ride IMO.
Thanks for keeping us all posted. Glad they have a good attitude about it all.:2thumbs:
Now that we have much better information, it's pretty clear this *may* have had nothing to do with the DPS. The other important thing mentioned was that he hit a curb. I've yet to hear of a Spyder flipping over without the assistance of something like a curb.
I personally don't see a spyder being able to flip at such a slow speed without some external influence (curb).
And with all due respect to the rider - (and I'm not saying this was the case here as I wasn't there and don't know the riders experience level) - most accidents are due to operator error - not equipment malfunction.
We all need to be prepared for equipment failure at all times. Something as simple as a flat tire could instigate an accident such as this one.
Practice the various maneuvers in the owners manual. Practice emergency shutdowns, etc.
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One other thing I noticed that might be a typo Desert Spyder-- you mentioned a 10-15 second gap between riders. This seem really really excessive for a 'group' ride IMO.
Thanks for keeping us all posted. Glad they have a good attitude about it all.:2thumbs:
Desert Spyder
New member
You're right Firefly and it all depends of course on how fast you're going. A five second interval at freeway speeds is several car lengths away. Something every driver, no matter how many wheels they are on, should be practicing.
If I get any more factual information I'll be sure to relay it on to the community. I feel we will all have a sense of well being and safety with the knowledge.
BTW, have a Happy New Year all!
Dudley
New member
One other thing I noticed that might be a typo Desert Spyder-- you mentioned a 10-15 second gap between riders. This seem really really excessive for a 'group' ride IMO. by Firefly
Years ago while riding with the GWRRA we were riding tight and staggered (2 seconds) on a 2-lane highway, doing the speed limit. Someone tried to pass all of us and had to squeeze a Goldwing to the far right of the lane to avoid a head on. I know what the professionals say about group riding, but even on muli-lane highways the cars will try and get between you for the next exit. They have no problem doing so. I am not one to argue with a 4-wheeled metal box. If I get hit, I lose. Period. That is why I will not ride with any group that rides tight. After one incident on I-5 a while back I was indirectly called at the meeting about someone coming between me and the Spyder in front of me. I had watched the driver in the car and his actions showed me that he wanted the space that was less than safe...I gladly gave it to him. If that is unsafe, count me out.
Years ago while riding with the GWRRA we were riding tight and staggered (2 seconds) on a 2-lane highway, doing the speed limit. Someone tried to pass all of us and had to squeeze a Goldwing to the far right of the lane to avoid a head on. I know what the professionals say about group riding, but even on muli-lane highways the cars will try and get between you for the next exit. They have no problem doing so. I am not one to argue with a 4-wheeled metal box. If I get hit, I lose. Period. That is why I will not ride with any group that rides tight. After one incident on I-5 a while back I was indirectly called at the meeting about someone coming between me and the Spyder in front of me. I had watched the driver in the car and his actions showed me that he wanted the space that was less than safe...I gladly gave it to him. If that is unsafe, count me out.
Raptor
New member
And you would be correct! Fuse number 4 on service panel in trunk and fuse number 5 under the seat. I pulled the latter so if I only pulled the first one... HMMM...
Raptor
New member
:agree: I know they say 2 seconds, but the way some people drive their cars a wider gap seems better to me as well. 15 seconds might be a bit much, but if the group is OK with it, no problem for me!
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
I'm totally with you...the steering is very loose to me...I'd prefer it to be much tighter at higher speeds...I'd even be happy without much of any assist, but that's just me...
bikeguy
New member
Dudley, I absolutely agree with you. I'm not much for riding in large groups anyway but I always believe in leaving enough room between riders that a cage can get in between us. I know that can't always be managed in freeway traffic but, when it can, I feel safer.
As far as this accident is concerned, I'm glad the two riders are doing okay and pray they continue to mend just fine. From all I've read in this thread, I doubt anyone knows the exact cause of the accident. I expect we will all be glad if the dealer or BRP can actually determine a cause for the accident. However, I will be surprised if we ever know the exact cause. I know from personal experience that things happen so fast in a crash that it's hard for a rider to reconstruct exactly what happened in his/her memory. It is almost as hard for someone watching the crash to reconstruct it. I expect that's why we have seen some slightly conflicting versions of the crash. I pray that the couple who crashed continues to mend and that the time will come when they feel confident enough to get back on their RT and enjoy the ride again.
Cotton
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
I really don't believe in the two second rule, even in staggered formation. There are too many incidents of bikes in this tight of a group hitting each other in case of a problem, and there is no room for the inevitable intrusion...even with a small group. I have been converted to the 3-5 second interval...in good weather. 15 seconds is way too much, however. That is over 1,500 feet at 70 mph! If you leave more than a quarter mile between bikes, you will lose the group, have endless intrusions, and lose the visibility advantages that group riding affords. You may as well be riding alone. Leave enough space to avoid trouble and stop safely, but don't stretch it out so far that you become visually distinct from the group. Just my humble opinion.
Desert Spyder
New member
Maybe I overestimated the interval timing but one thing isn't overestimated: highway statistics. Group ryding requires discipline and the road captain must insure every ryder is aware of the rules on the road. Bike clubs (most of them) are very good at this and hot dogging is not allowed. But most Spyder owners have never been part of a club I wager.
I've been on Spyder runs where we divide into Hounds and Hares. The Hares are up in front and the Hounds are in back at a slower pace. But everyone must know where they are going or it will be a disaster. A good Road Captain or Run Leader will wait at several intervals to allow everyone to regroup.
Speed and fun are secondary to safety.
RT Accident: I was the driver
Too sore to write much - will post more when I can move. I do want to make a couple of points, We really appreciate everyones' prayers and well wishes - please keep us in your thoughts. Second point - Spyderflyer is a great American! We often speak of others as "brothers & sisters" during the course of our daily lives, he acted as if we were his brother and sister. There is a huge difference in talking and doing. We cannot thank Spyderflyer enough for being a doer. We will be forever thankful he was on wing duty when this happened. Last point, when the spyder went hard right it hit a concrete curb. I had no control I could discern in the less than a second between fault occuring and hitting the curb. We have about 14K miles on the spyder; all recall work dealer is aware of is completed.
Desertspyder - thanks for inviting us on the ride -- as soon as we heal up and get another spyder, we will be back! Spydervet06
Too sore to write much - will post more when I can move. I do want to make a couple of points, We really appreciate everyones' prayers and well wishes - please keep us in your thoughts. Second point - Spyderflyer is a great American! We often speak of others as "brothers & sisters" during the course of our daily lives, he acted as if we were his brother and sister. There is a huge difference in talking and doing. We cannot thank Spyderflyer enough for being a doer. We will be forever thankful he was on wing duty when this happened. Last point, when the spyder went hard right it hit a concrete curb. I had no control I could discern in the less than a second between fault occuring and hitting the curb. We have about 14K miles on the spyder; all recall work dealer is aware of is completed.
Desertspyder - thanks for inviting us on the ride -- as soon as we heal up and get another spyder, we will be back! Spydervet06
