1330 Performance Upgrades

[308gunner]

Here is the F-3 stage II RE-MAP results...it is FREAKIN FANTASTIC!!!...the low to mid range torque...is where the stage II shines...power off of the line..the stage I is good too..BUT...the stage II enhances it..the top end speed is about the same as stage I...the low to mid range torque again is where the stage II shines..

 

[Revalden]

I am always looking for more power. And adding 20%+ more horsepower to a $25k+ machine for only $350 is a real bargain (If the gains are true). I come from (and still am) the ford performance family (numerous mustangs, including my roush and my ford lightning), and there are no gains to be had in that way (percentage wise), without going to nitrous. Which, is the one thing that I have never heard anyone mention in the spyder world.

So, has anyone ever installed nitrous to to their spyder? I would really like to read their post:yes:

I put a little CO2 size cartridge of Nitrous on my son's single cylinder lawnmower racer and if someone was gaining on him he'd pull the trigger and you could hear that thing take off. He'd consistently beat the twin cylinder racers. I don't know how or if the Spyder Nanny would react to a blast of Nitrous when passing a semi on a mountain 6% grade. What ya'll think about that?

 

[JackSA]

I first had a cat delete pipe, then removed it after about two months. Only more noise.
I then had the ECU flashed to stage 2. It is a new bike!!! I now feel like I do not need anymore power. This change is just right for me. I am now very happy with my F3L. I can accelerate through Twisties with my 2 wheel mates.

 

[bikerbillone]

Maybe a little slow here, but after having the ECU is flashed, does that that 'shut down' for lack of a better description, the safety factor in the Spyder? Say, for example, going into a sweeper too hot, does the safety factor engage the machine?

 

[Hypurone]

Maybe a little slow here, but after having the ECU is flashed, does that that 'shut down' for lack of a better description, the safety factor in the Spyder? Say, for example, going into a sweeper too hot, does the safety factor engage the machine?

Nope! There are no changes made to any of the "nanny"/safety systems... Tho I really wish it was possible! Mine cornered effortlessly and without intrusion except in the most extreme situations when new. Then there was an "update" applied at my first service (unbeknownst to me) and it all went to &*#$. Now it intervenes at medium input levels and really pisses me off that they can't "undo" it....

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Nope! There are no changes made to any of the "nanny"/safety systems... Tho I really wish it was possible! Mine cornered effortlessly and without intrusion except in the most extreme situations when new. Then there was an "update" applied at my first service (unbeknownst to me) and it all went to &*#$. Now it intervenes at medium input levels and really pisses me off that they can't "undo" it....

" They can't undo it " ……. I think " They WON'T undo it "…… Think about it - If the Computer " parameters " can't be changed or adjusted then really what Monster Fuel did for your Spyder …." DIDN'T HAPPEN " :gaah: …......… And if it can't be changed then they haven't changed yours to be crappy ….. doesn't make any sense to me …… good luck …. This reminds of what soooooooooooo many dealers have said " we can't find ANY codes in the computer system "..... total - BS - …...…...…. everything that occurs in or to your Spyder - registers in the computer … how do you think they can tell you what rev range you've been using ????? Mike hyea:

 

[Hypurone]

" They can't undo it " ……. I think " They WON'T undo it "…… Think about it - If the Computer " parameters " can't be changed or adjusted then really what Monster Fuel did for your Spyder …." DIDN'T HAPPEN " :gaah: …......… And if it can't be changed then they haven't changed yours to be crappy ….. doesn't make any sense to me …… good luck …. This reminds of what soooooooooooo many dealers have said " we can't find ANY codes in the computer system "..... total - BS - …...…...…. everything that occurs in or to your Spyder - registers in the computer … how do you think they can tell you what rev range you've been using ????? Mike hyea:

Yup, prob total BS or ignorance on the dealer's part to be able to roll it back to it's original config.... Steve has said that he can't access/hasn't found/or doesn't know what to modify as far as his flash goes.

 

[QuadRAGIN]

Has anyone actually confirmed...in a measureable way, that the ecu reflash can open up that much more torque and horsepower? Sorry but it seems like bull**** to me. “Truth through proof” please, where is the data? For example, I had a cat delete on my Daytona F3 and was told there would be more “power”. I can tell you that I zapped the **** out of my low end torque and gave me a f’ing headache because the damn thing was so loud....and I came from a bmw s1000RR with an Akro full exhaust! I use most of my “power” under 100mph so if there was something out there cranking more torque through the rev range, i’d Love to see the proof!

On this page are the Dyno Sheets
https://jediperformance.com/index.php/mc-spyder/spyder/

 

[Mikey]

On this page are the Dyno Sheets
https://jediperformance.com/index.php/mc-spyder/spyder/

Thank you for the information but,ldpost:

 

[BajaRon]

Thank you for the information but,ldpost:

It's Easter! Resurrection Day for old threads too maybe...

 

[Leaping1]

OK, at 77, I guess I am one of these old people we are talking about. But even at a young age, riding in the mud made no sense to me and it still doesn't, but if that rings your bell - go for it. I have ridden bikes since I was 14 years old. My go to bike has always been a BMW - they were great machines and fast. But as I grew older (actually grew up) I then became a fan of Harley Davidson, but after a serious accident that scared the crap out of me, I converted to the Can Am which I love. My honest opinion is that if your need for speed is that great, then maybe a Can Am should not be your bike of choice. hyea:

 

[mecsw500]

Took my RT LTD for the first time this season, running through the tank of gas I stored it with over the winter. On the way home, two up here at 5,000 feet where we are probably down at least 10% on full power, I gave it full welly on the freeway on-ramp. Running it up to max revs, it pulled quite quickly enough considering it is a touring type machine that weighs a 1,000 pounds. It certainly wasn't slow by any means.

The RT's brakes and power seem to be roughly in keeping with its handling capabilities. Significant increases in power probably would result in a less well balanced machine overall and I don't think the sales volume would increase as a result. In fact, increasing the capabilities of the machine to cope with more power, such better brakes, suspension and cornering performance would significantly add to the price of the machine. In addition, increasing the power of what is obviously a deliberately detuned engine would result in a shorter service life with decreased service intervals, which is important to most Spyder owners with a touring type machine.

If a faster, more powerful machine for sports riders was the objective, I suspect they would probably base it on the Ryker platform. With a lighter, more nimble, bike it could handle extra power from an increase in capacity and tune of the two cylinder engine coupled perhaps moving to a non CVT transmission. This would be a lot cheaper to produce than extending the performance of the Spyder platform and therefore be more accessible to younger riders especially considering its sportier looks. I rather feel that the current Ryker is aimed at the younger market segment anyways.

 

[Snoking1127]

Took my RT LTD for the first time this season, running through the tank of gas I stored it with over the winter. On the way home, two up here at 5,000 feet where we are probably down at least 10% on full power, I gave it full welly on the freeway on-ramp. Running it up to max revs, it pulled quite quickly enough considering it is a touring type machine that weighs a 1,000 pounds. It certainly wasn't slow by any means.

The RT's brakes and power seem to be roughly in keeping with its handling capabilities. Significant increases in power probably would result in a less well balanced machine overall and I don't think the sales volume would increase as a result. In fact, increasing the capabilities of the machine to cope with more power, such better brakes, suspension and cornering performance would significantly add to the price of the machine. In addition, increasing the power of what is obviously a deliberately detuned engine would result in a shorter service life with decreased service intervals, which is important to most Spyder owners with a touring type machine.

If a faster, more powerful machine for sports riders was the objective, I suspect they would probably base it on the Ryker platform. With a lighter, more nimble, bike it could handle extra power from an increase in capacity and tune of the two cylinder engine coupled perhaps moving to a non CVT transmission. This would be a lot cheaper to produce than extending the performance of the Spyder platform and therefore be more accessible to younger riders especially considering its sportier looks. I rather feel that the current Ryker is aimed at the younger market segment anyways.

Well as long as this thread is again being posted to, what about the F3? I thought that it filled that gap as a lighter and lower machine! Put a HD anti sway bar and better tires on to increase capabilities. The 1330 has plenty of get up and go for the average riding. Have been on the planet for almost 8 decades, I still like to go vroom vroom on the on-ramps!

 

[mecsw500]

Yes, I agree the F3 is designed to be a bit sportier but it isn't that much cheaper though, so I think it is still priced out of the range of younger riders. The price of a Ryker is much more approachable.

You've got me beat, only 6.5 decades, but I just wanted to give it a good blast just for the heck of it. It was faster than I remember from last season, lol. Certainly as you say, plenty of get up and go for a touring machine even here at 5,000 feet where it is probably 10% down on power. It cruises along at the 75 mph speed limit, nice and relaxed.

The better tires bit is a whole other issue. I think the car tires that fit the RT certainly last longer but grip wise I'm not sure they are much better than the stock Kendas. The car tires that are available in sizes for the RT tend to be a little harder compound and the sidewall stiffness quite a bit harder. I'm sure they last a lot longer but I'm not sure they grip much better though even when compensating with much lower tire pressures.

I know I'm in a bit of a minority, well a very small minority from what I've read, but I quite like the later versions of the Kendas. To my mind they grip quite well in wet or dry, and when they do break away they do so in a nice progressive manner. I run 20 psi front and 28 psi rear which seems to give the best canyons versus freeway compromise, two up, for me anyway.

Of course everyone's experience is different but I'm going to keep going with the Kendas even though they don't last anywhere near as long, certainly on the rear. But I'm always open to hear of other peoples experiences with specific brands.

 

[Wildrice]

I'm no stranger to BRP builds or Off Road Vehicles. I built this one a few years back. It is an XMR 1000 with a 4" lift, 32" tires with 2.5" lugs. Had almost 19" of ground clearance at the lowest point. Lots of other mods to it as well. It was a beast!

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My--what a friendly looking vehicle---I'd be wearing a helmet just to look at it

 

[mecsw500]

I am not spending $350 for only 25 ponies. I think most are fine just the way the Spyder is for now. JMO :shocked:

Now change the pricing and MAYBE you will get more people to take the Pony plunge .

I think one of the issues is the for a $30,000 vehicle, changing something that will likely effect your power train warranty might not be all that desirable.

Frankly, two up in the canyons, another 25 bhp wouldn’t be all that helpful.

On the freeway 25 bhp might make a big difference.

One issue might be that for a lot of people, digging out the ECM and sending it away, then refitting it, might be too much hassle for 25 bhp and $350.

A lot of Spyder owners might not be motor cycle enthusiasts who would likely do performance mods. I suspect quite a few come from the car world. As the Spyder is a niche vehicle, I would imagine the aftermarket for performance parts might be quite small.

 

[AndysF3S]

You are correct that many Spyder owners may not want to flash their ECU, but those of us who choose to do that can really appreciate the difference in performance when we hit WOT at least a couple of times per ride out on the highway.

 

[troop]

In the world of motorcycle performance, $350 for a 25% gain in engine performance is a bargain...

 

[fatboy]

especially since you dont have to change parts