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Snow day, Krikit play...

ButterSmooth

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Since it's snowing and I can't ride, revisiting the belt tension filled the day. When I swapped the rear wheel, I used the Krikit II to tension the belt. My Krikit II has always disagreed with the harmonically measured tension, so I wasn't totally satisfied that the tension was correct.

My plan was to find and use another frequency measuring device as a confirmation or rejection of the Snark tuner I've been using. First up was the Carbon Drive app from gates. Second was Spectrum, another frequency measuring app. These are both cell phone apps and I discovered that my cell phone audio input system has a frequency floor of 52 Hz, so these were of no value in measuring the belt.

Next candidate was a Zoom H4n audio recorder and Audacity. It was easy to record nice clean samples of the belt twang with the Zoom. I couldn't find a way to view the spectral plots in Audacity when focusing on the frequency range that relates to the belt. I stretched out the signals (they were quite 'clean') and used the period of the zero crossings to calculate the frequency.

Using the formula and belt specs provided by Gates and calculating the tension, the result was 101# (22.3 Hz). The Krikit measured 165# - 175#. My Krikit technique, while repeatable, must be quite bad, or my particular Krikit has a problem. The good news is the Zoom/Audacity method is in near perfect agreement with the Snark tuner, which is much easier to use. I've also validated the accuracy of the Snark with a known frequency generator (in this case a tuba).

Since Can-Am uses the harmonic method in the manual, it is my method of choice. The rub is that everyone else is using the Krikit. The common number of 160# is a Krikit number and may not transfer to the harmonic measurement method – which leaves me on my own.

Previously when the adjustment seemed correct (no vibrations), the Snark method indicated 180# on the ground, so that's where I'll begin. The tension increases ~20# between air and ground, which is ½ step on the Snark(A# → B).

The other 'quick and dirty' method used by seasoned Harley riders is to grab the belt in the middle of span and try to twist it as far as possible. 90° twist is about right, less is too tight, and more is too loose. My belt twists ~110° which agrees with the 101# measurement. At 180# it's almost a perfect 90°. It's a good on-the-road quick check.

This was a snow-day exercise and in general I prefer the 1st principle of Aawen, Ride More, Worry Less.

As a final note on tension my four readings were:
122# in the air at the loose spot
150# on the ground at the loose spot
173# in the air at the tight spot
193# on the ground at the tight spot
for an average tension of ~160#

on the ground at the tight spot with the Krikit 205#->215#
 
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Did you average your readings at the 3 spoke positions the manual calls for? I got very lucky one day browsing an online auction site and got a tremendous deal on a brand new Gates Sonic Tension Meter. I've found quite a variance at each of the 3 positions across two Spyders, a 2015 RTL and a 2020 RTL. BTW, what is snow?! ;)
 
Did you average your readings at the 3 spoke positions the manual calls for? I got very lucky one day browsing an online auction site and got a tremendous deal on a brand new Gates Sonic Tension Meter. I've found quite a variance at each of the 3 positions across two Spyders, a 2015 RTL and a 2020 RTL. BTW, what is snow?! ;)

In Northern Maine they call it White Gold!!!:2thumbs: Bring it on, my sleds are ready!!!!!
 
I wonder if anyone has ever seen or heard of a belt jumping bc it was set too loose?I try to run my belt at 160# but if Buttersmooth is correct its really at 101#that seems kinda loose.I have checked my belt while hot at fillup by just pushing at it and thought that seems really loose but Ive never had a problem except for that time I pulled onto the shoulder of a backroad in N.C. and got stuck in deep mud.After being pulled out the belt was covered in mud and slipped/jumped when I first took off.I rode easy for a mile or so and then it was fine.
 
Did you average your readings at the 3 spoke positions the manual calls for? I got very lucky one day browsing an online auction site and got a tremendous deal on a brand new Gates Sonic Tension Meter. I've found quite a variance at each of the 3 positions across two Spyders, a 2015 RTL and a 2020 RTL. BTW, what is snow?! ;)

I do measure in three places. What's being measured is the runout of the pulleys, mainly the rear pulley. Since the rear pulley runs on it's own bearing, once you establish a neutral (average tension) rotational position of the rear wheel, measurements need only be taken there. While my pulley's run out can be easily seen harmonically, the Krikit isn't sensitive enough to measure it -- there are bigger variations do to my Krikit technique.

I'm interested in the results you get with the Gates Meter. Have you ever compared it to Krikit readings? Does it display the frequency as well as the tension? What tension do you use on your 2020RTL?

Your box of snow will be delivered (by UPS) in 3 to 7 days...;):p
 
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:coffee: SNOW, it usually comes in form of white Flakes in various part of the country. Google has a very good selections of pictures. Check them out some time soon. :roflblack:....:roflblack:

Have a good Day. .......:thumbup:
 
I wonder if anyone has ever seen or heard of a belt jumping bc it was set too loose?I try to run my belt at 160# but if Buttersmooth is correct its really at 101#that seems kinda loose.I have checked my belt while hot at fillup by just pushing at it and thought that seems really loose but Ive never had a problem except for that time I pulled onto the shoulder of a backroad in N.C. and got stuck in deep mud.After being pulled out the belt was covered in mud and slipped/jumped when I first took off.I rode easy for a mile or so and then it was fine.

I wasn't suggesting that anyone else's measurements with the Krikit are wrong. MINE are, and I don't know if it's me (probably), my Krikit (possible), or Krikits in general (unlikely). Don't let my OCD change what works for you! I like the 'twist the belt' check, since it worked well for me on my Harley and Indian. By the way, belt adjustments on the Spyder are a walk in the park compared to the Indian.
 
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