Let me just say I'm not happy either

[DynamoBT]

I don't think I'd have my Spyder were it not for SpyderLovers.com. The cost, even used, was a LOT of money just for something to have fun on. I needed to reassure myself by coming here and talking to people who already owned one in order to take the plunge. I am so grateful that this site exists.

I'm on other sites too. BeginnerBikers.org for one. Some of the forums I go to are heavily moderated. Some, not so much. I have appreciated that you moderate with moderation! This site isn't your own personl mouthpiece. Yet you have also nipped some threads, even removing all evidence of them when that needed to happen.

I think it only natural that if the Spyder itself is going through a bit of a rough road, that any forum dedicated to it would be going through a rough time too. My personal hope is that we all just ride it out. This is temporary. I, like most people here, think the Spyder is the best thing that's ever been put on the road. I just love mine. I'm not ready to throw it out because of a few problems.

Please let us all simply take a deep breath and think a bit more before we hit that "submit" button. Let's each of us try not to be reactionary, responding immediately to something without some serious thought. I think if we all just don't panic and give everything a chance to sort itself out, that all of us and our Spyders are going to come out of this just fine. Let's be honest. BRP has way too much time and money invested in the Spyder to give up on their efforts to get this right. Their company would never survive that attitude and action. They have to know this.

Sure there are some dealers out there with techs that seem to have their heads in the sand. This too will get sorted out eventually. In my area it seems like BRP set up too many dealers too close to each other so that they each undermine each other's success. In the end, some won't have the business to keep the Spyder line in their offerings. Supply and demand will rule in the end.

Thank you so much Lamont for your hard work and dedication to the Spyder. I hope you keep the site open. Let's face it. We all want the Spyder to have its problems sorted out so we can spend less time on the formus and more time on the road!!

 

[Neez]

Lamont, I've had some issues and done some complaining but, issues or not, I enjoy my Spyder more than any of the many bikes I've owned. A large part of that enjoyment has been this site and I would be disappointed if it were to be shut down. Don't be discouraged, your efforts are appreciated by many.

 

[BumbleBee]

I will never give up on my spyder. No matter what.

It does sadden me that so many are selling their spyders, because of a few issues. They are the ones giving up so fast. Give the spyder a chance. BRP is working hard to fix any issues and flaws, I have faith in them.

Lamonster, don't give up on us or this site!!!! I get so much information from this site, and from you. We have to take the good with the bad.
I have made and met some really cool friends on this site :clap:

I would be lost without this site.......

 

[wolfshead1]

I know a good guy when I meet one.This is a great forum with a great leader in LaMont.There is very little flaming here very little mudslinging and the leadership is the reason.I turned down a Spyder yesterday just because the karma was not right between me and the Spyder.I know the concept is the correct one and I know that BRP will explore and correct these issues.It just takes time.

I have asked for info from members here and they were happy to share what they knew.I notice no issues of snobbery or elitism and I hope to treat others with the same respect and consideration I have seen here.

Lamont this will work out and you will be a big reason it does.

go for a ride,
wolfshead1

 

[duneside]

I vote for keeping the site up, I generally see the ranting for what it is & move on to informative and or fun topics.
Thanx for a great site :thumbup:
WAYNE

 

[Tom in NM]

I don't think I'd have my Spyder were it not for SpyderLovers.com.

Lamont, I could not agree with Marilyn more. Plus, some of the vendors and posters on Spyderlovers have provided some great enhancements to my riding experience.

We are a passionate and diverse group with equally passionate and diverse opinions, speculations and perspectives. That is our greatest strength and weakness. I think it is our caring and consideration of each other that really activates the our strength and there is no shortage of that here.

I would hate to see Spyderlovers go away. Not many Spyder owners around here. I would miss all the sharing and the chance to share my little part of the Spyder Experience.

So, I hope you continue doing what you do so well and are able to put up with the crap that we sometimes cause. I am sure we can all live and learn.

With appreciation and admiration,
Tom

 

[spyderlover2]

just IMHO, it sounds like you are overwhelmed right now Lamont with all of the calls, PM's, and boards being posted with gripes. this is very understandable. i would be too.
now, i dont even own a Spyder but will one of the years! i would be disappointed if i had a lot of problems and had to keep taking it in for repairs, and it would scare the beegeebers outta me if something happened on the road that made me feel like i could have been hurt badly. all of that still wouldnt keep me from fixing MY ride and hitting the road again! i think people here and even on other sites and forums need to realize that when our cars and trucks break down...WE FIX THEM OR HAVE THEM FIXED AND MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD. frustrated until we get them back from the shop....but as soon as its out of the shop, our smiles return and we keep on driving...happy once again. once in a while or lifetime the damages are bad enough to have to junk the car. but we go buy a new one or even a used one that we have no idea who owned it before or how they treated it before we got it!
why is the Spyder any different! and why are we relying on Lamonster sooooo much. we can make those calls ourselves! Lamont has provided every possible phone number, and address available that he is aware of so we can make things all better ourselves! we need to take some of the pressure off of Lamont in his time of need, like he does for us!
dont get me wrong here Lamont! everyone needs a break now and then! and some of us just need to take a break and go ride for a while to get the stress out! whether that ride is on the Spyder or whether that ride has to be in a CAGE until the Spyder gets out of the shop!
we live in a WANT IT NOW society, and this doesnt help in these forums! we all need to chill out and collect our thoughts and consider others feelings and how they will take what we say on these sites. frustration can kill it (this site amongst other relationship) in a heartbeat!
Lamont, maybe you can spread out the responsibilities you have or feel you have with other senior members here that you trust to make decisions and that are Spyderwise! this way it will take some of the pressure off of you. ALL COMPANIES HAVE ONE OWNER, BUT ALSO HAVE OTHERS TO RELY ON FOR HELPING WITH THE WORKLOAD. dont feel like you have to go at this alone Lamont!
all of what i said is IMHO! no more, no less! and can only be considered suggestions and is only me just trying to understand Lamonts position and duties as the owner of this site.
there are TONS of members here on this site now, and sooooo many of them have helped me realize that owning my own Spyder is probably the best vehicle i could ever own and one of the funnest!
all vehicles have there problems, get them fixed and get over it! stop stressing out the one man that brought this AWESOME site to us so we could learn about and love our rides!
Lamont is not our daddy! he's a very cool Daddy'O, but not our fix all! he has given us everything we need to have a fun and awesome time on our rides....and thats ALL he can do for us! AND THATS ALL WE SHOULD WANT FROM HIM!
it is very nice to have all of you back me up if i get in a jam, and i would do the same for all of you too! but our brother Lamont is taxed bigtime and needs our help!
like i said, i dont have a Spyder for now, but i would love to help in any way i can Lamont! i dont want to lose this site, because i will need it when i do get my Spyder! hopefully an RT-S but may settle for a use done from someone here on this site or elsewhere!
ROCK ON LAMONT....YOU ARE DOING AN AWESOME JOB AND THANKS FOR STARTING UP THIS SITE SO ALL OF US CAN BE MORE WELL INFORMED AND ENJOY OUR RIDES TOGETHER AND SHARE OUR GOOD TIMES AND FRUSTRATING TIMES TOGETHER!
SAYING ALL OF THIS....ITS STILL UP TO YOU LAMONT....YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO, AND NO MATTER WHAT DECISION YOU MAKE WE WILL SUPPORT YOU EITHER WAY!

 

[Arachnid]

I enjoy coming to this site and reading about everyone. It was because of this site and Spydertalk that I bought mine in the first place.
Maybe we need to segment it off to a :

AS&L (All Sweetness and Light) section where we could talk about adventures and experiences on the Spyder.
And a :
NDR (Not Doing Right) section where you could read about guys problems.


Mike

 

[Way2Fast]

Please noooo shut down !!

This is far and away the best Spyder forum on the web. Lots of information has always been available here and non of it has been "white washed" like on the "other" site. People have always been able to post opinions on both sides of an issue, which is healthy in a free society. If this site is shut down the only one to gain would be the vehicle manufacturer.. Without a means for people to voice their experiences with a product, both good and bad, owners both current and future, would not know anything about the product except what they read on the manufacurers web site or in magazines where product advertisements $$$ rule the roost. Please don't even consider shutting down and giving the upper hand to BRP.....we all deserve to know how the Spyders problems are being handled and when they are actually solved. This is best accomplished from reading actual posts from people in the field. Lamont your good work here is really appreciated !!!

 

[Bulldogger]

First off there is no reason to consider shutting down the site. Information whether good or bad is still information. Secondly people should not be asking Lamonster if their spyder is safe to drive. This is a decision based soley on an individuals gut feeling.
Since Lamonster seems to have more insight into the issues based on his involvement with people involved with BRP there is no reason to doubt it when he states BRP is involved with fixing the problem with the DPS. People have to understand that more then likely BRP had little to do with the actual design of the DPS, more then likely it was developed by another company and is being used in the Spyder. Now the problem with that is not every single Spyder has issues, so the units that are defective need to be shipped from BRP to the original manufacturer for troubleshooting and it may not be clear if it is a bad run of components or a bad design at this point. Issues like this take quite some time to diagnose. That being said I personally wouldn't allow what if's to prevent me from riding the spyder when I want to, but now having this information will allow me to teach my wife what to look for, and to have her practice shutting off the bike and rolling it to a safe location if problem arise. If you are already having DPS issues drop the bike off at a dealer stating you feel it is unsafe and start a paperwork trail or take any action you are comfortable with. I bought a 2003 Indian motorcycle knowing the engines were having problems and the company was going out of business. The day I bought it I pulled the engine with a whopping 1 mile on it and sent it out to be rebuilt along with replacing the the tranny with a six speed and rebuilding the front Paioli Forks. The reason was I loved the bike and was willing to make the necessary corrections in a flawed product to be happy. My wife loves the Spyder so I will do the same for her. Most people did not sign on to be product testers and unfortunately this is what is occurring. Based on your own individual ideas of what you are willing to accept and what is just too much crap to handle you should make your own decision on what avenues you need to take to resolve your conficts to make yourself happy. It can be the sale of the Spyder, Lemon law or attemts to have a dealer buy back. The choice is yours.

 

[hevnbound]

Excellent post, Lamont. I think that will do it and you will see a 180 mood change as a result.

You wrote:
As for me I'm going to wait it out and see what happens. I have faith that they will get it fixed and the Spyder has just been too fun for me to give up on it now. Now if BRP says it can't be fixed then I'll move on but until they do I'll be waiting for the answers and I will share them here as soon as I know what they are.

I agree 100% ... my thoughts exactly. Thanks for putting it in writing.
I haven't been active on this website because I had decided to sell the Spyder (way before the update thing came about) but I just kept putting it off - and - I'm glad I did. I decided to keep it and started riding it again and loved every moment of it ................. and, along came the update and update II!! ... So, all of a sudden I jump back in the forum posting my complaints. Sorry!

You wrote:
I have yet to have anyone fill out this info and send it to me on the steering issue. I don't know why but this should be reported and why not use all the tools available to you.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=14122

:dontknow: I have no idea why I've never noticed that section nor, have taken advantage of it! That is where all of this stuff on the steering should have gone. I will use it in the future if needed. Sorry!

QUESTION: Should I and others that have already publicly posted our problems regarding the steering issue still fill out the info and send it to you????

Thanks for the Forum. Thanks for your time and patience ... hang in there. When BRP gets us all taken care of through our Dealers, hopefully we will all post up the good news also!!

P.S. Just got back from my dealer (Schronce Powersports, Taylorsville) and left my Spyder with them. Daniel had already called BRP and received instructions on what to do even before I got there...... very encouraging. I'm sure they will get the Spyder fixed and ... this too will pass.

 

[Smylinacha]

Keep us posted on how they fixed it.

Excellent post, Lamont. I think that will do it and you will see a 180 mood change as a result.

You wrote:
As for me I'm going to wait it out and see what happens. I have faith that they will get it fixed and the Spyder has just been too fun for me to give up on it now. Now if BRP says it can't be fixed then I'll move on but until they do I'll be waiting for the answers and I will share them here as soon as I know what they are.

I agree 100% ... my thoughts exactly. Thanks for putting it in writing.
I haven't been active on this website because I had decided to sell the Spyder (way before the update thing came about) but I just kept putting it off - and - I'm glad I did. I decided to keep it and started riding it again and loved every moment of it ................. and, along came the update and update II!! ... So, all of a sudden I jump back in the forum posting my complaints. Sorry!

You wrote:
I have yet to have anyone fill out this info and send it to me on the steering issue. I don't know why but this should be reported and why not use all the tools available to you.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=14122

:dontknow: I have no idea why I've never noticed that section nor, have taken advantage of it! That is where all of this stuff on the steering should have gone. I will use it in the future if needed. Sorry!

QUESTION: Should I and others that have already publicly posted our problems regarding the steering issue still fill out the info and send it to you????

Thanks for the Forum. Thanks for your time and patience ... hang in there. When BRP gets us all taken care of through our Dealers, hopefully we will all post up the good news also!!

P.S. Just got back from my dealer (Schronce Powersports, Taylorsville) and left my Spyder with them. Daniel had already called BRP and received instructions on what to do even before I got there...... very encouraging. I'm sure they will get the Spyder fixed and ... this too will pass.

 

[GaryTheBadger]

I'm sticking with what I posted two days ago in a different thread:

I suggest we take a break from the guesswork, assumptions and name-calling, and instead respect Lamonster's post and let him run with this issue. I for one completely trust he'll stay on top of it for us all.

 

[Putt-Putt]

Hey without this site I'd be lost. And you don't want me lost do you? Everybody here appreciates what you (Lamont) have done here. If you shut it down then :yikes: I'll have something to complain about. Hang in there we are. :firstplace:

This site has helped me and others with a lot of spyder issues. Not only is this a great site, so are the people here. :2thumbs:

 

[jnt]

:agree:

And thanks to you,:bowdown: Lamont, we have this forum. As such we will see problems and issues, :gaah: that many of us would have no knowledge of without such a place. Thanks to others we know what to watch for, and apparently, how to (at least temporarily) safely deal with it.

In the meantime, we continue to enjoy this fantastic (if imperfect) machine. :spyder:

 

[pathfinderjoe]

Lamonster - We need this forum now more than ever.

We need this forum now more than ever. We need to keep the communications flowing - good news and bad. I bought my syder 8 months ago (in Feb. in Oregon - raining every day). Have put on just over 10,000 miles in all kinds of weather. Just finished a cold but exciting 1400 mile trip with my 3 sons. Traveled on some of the most challenging roads you can find throughout Oregon, Washington and Idaho. I would not have purchased my spyder in the first place if it wasn't for the info and insights I gained from this forum. Riding the spyder has created great experiences. I am confident that BRP will solve the problems and this forum is the best in broadcasting what works and what doesn’t. Thank you Lamonster for all the hard work.

 

[SpyderRider2492]

Thank you

Thanks for all that you do Lamont. I came over to the :spyder:because I have medical issues which prevent me from continuing to ride a 2 wheeled vehicle and it turned out to be the best thing I ever did, and just at the right time. Its a great machine.

It took a while getting used too but I take every opportunity to ride and for the most part its the first thought I have when I wake up in the morn and it has given me the a new look at life. The :spyder:has really helped me in more ways than I can say.

Your site is superb and I check it out as often as I can and have learnt a great deal about our machines from you and the many people that I may never meet but I consider them and you friends. I want to say thank you and our regular contributors for all of the information and thoughts posted here, It woudn't be the same if Spyderlovers disapeared.

Take care, every one needs a break at times and I support whatever you decide, its your site after all. Good luck in the future and look forward to reading more about the RT.

 

[moroccomole2004]

Lam,

You are right on target and as I wrote similar thoughts in the below in MM earlier posting of concern:

I do not disagree that there should be some concern, but my gawd anything mechanical can have issues. There is risk in everything in life, some things pose more risk then others. I read the concerns here and can not object but at the same time I feel many are dwelling on the negatives and feeding a train of Spyder bashing. I have yet to experience any major issues which would cause me grave concern to my life. Yes I have experienced some of the technical issues, such as bad GPS, the RPM surge after DSP #1, squeaky brakes, but you know what BRP through my dealership (go FMS!) has been a class act and FIXED ALL of these issues immediately. I recently had DSP #2 and the hose fix done and I can say my Spyder is back to its origianl running condition. That said I rode today and did have some minor GPS issues, but like I said my Spyder is back to its origianl running condition :thumbup:.

I do read and appreciate all the forum participants inputs, both good and bad. But that said in reading all the recent banter of "the spyder is falling" has not convinced me to pack it up and put my slick SE5 on Ebay.

Will keep on riding. Stand with me loyal Spyder riders! hyea:

Mole

 

[M2Wild]

Without this site, we won't have a voice. Lamont's posting should be a pretty loud wakeup call to BRP. I believe we are all in good hands with Lamonster leading the way.

 

[musicarcade]

Don't throw in the towel!

Hey Lamonster, I really appreciate all you do in the Spyder Community.
Whenever I have a free moment, this is the FIRST site I check out, and the one I continue to come back to for reliable info. You and the other Spyderlovers make life so much more enjoyable. If it wasn't for you and this site, I probably wouldn't have bought the spyder, and I certainly wouldn't have made the Spyders in the Smokies trip, let alone the fantastic bbq at your lovely place. While there are other Spyder sites, this is the best by far.:clap:

Whatever happens, thank you for ALL you do and all you've done.:2thumbs: