Lamont, I hope you think of all these post as sort of a hug and they have brought you to the realization of how much this site means to all of us. I hate that you feel caught in the middle, but I do appreciate the support and insight we get from you. Stand tall, we'll get through this together.
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Let me just say I'm not happy either
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Ryde on, bro!
:agree: The Spyder is still a brand-new product, and may still have some teething problems, but I believe it is the most innovative product to come on the market in a long time, and deserves our support. Don't sweat it Lamont, all these issues will be sorted out in due time. :thumbup:
Bruce
:agree: The Spyder is still a brand-new product, and may still have some teething problems, but I believe it is the most innovative product to come on the market in a long time, and deserves our support. Don't sweat it Lamont, all these issues will be sorted out in due time. :thumbup:
Bruce
spyder
I love my spyder. I have had some probelms with my bike but I still love it and I drove it today.
hyea: I have wined myself about the probelms but brp has tryed to fix them all. Yes I was unhappy when they done the 1st update on my bike and missed it up and it did take a long time to come up with number 2 fix .I have not had it done yet.
Lamont this is a good site you have help me out and a lot more people also on your site.
I love my spyder. I have had some probelms with my bike but I still love it and I drove it today.
hyea: I have wined myself about the probelms but brp has tryed to fix them all. Yes I was unhappy when they done the 1st update on my bike and missed it up and it did take a long time to come up with number 2 fix .I have not had it done yet. Lamont this is a good site you have help me out and a lot more people also on your site.
Spyder
I have owned my spyder for about 3 weeks now and love it. With all the problems that I was reading on this site about the Spyder I still bought it and I DONT regret it. Currently I have 3 cars sitting outside in front of the house. 98,99,06. Each one of them has at least one recall others a few more. If things are made by humans problems are going to occur...I guess the best way to put it..***** happens
I have owned my spyder for about 3 weeks now and love it. With all the problems that I was reading on this site about the Spyder I still bought it and I DONT regret it. Currently I have 3 cars sitting outside in front of the house. 98,99,06. Each one of them has at least one recall others a few more. If things are made by humans problems are going to occur...I guess the best way to put it..***** happens
NautiBrit
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How about a suggestion?
Lamont, I've read your post several times over to make sure that I could understand what was of concern. It seems to me that when you opened yourself up to helping others, that you thought you'd get one or two problems a week that you could fit into your schedule. The response has overwhelmed you and your resources and has no doubt led to your frustration.
My suggestion? How about a separate forum section for owners to list their specific problems, that can be read by BRP at their leisure. Maybe BRP will choose to respond. Maybe we'll all find out if the problems run into tens, hundreds or thousands of Spyders. Maybe those that do not have problems can bypass this forum altogether and use the regular forums for information or which is the best exhaust system or the best seat.
Take the monkey off your back, and enjoy the website for what you designed it to do.
Lamont, I've read your post several times over to make sure that I could understand what was of concern. It seems to me that when you opened yourself up to helping others, that you thought you'd get one or two problems a week that you could fit into your schedule. The response has overwhelmed you and your resources and has no doubt led to your frustration.
My suggestion? How about a separate forum section for owners to list their specific problems, that can be read by BRP at their leisure. Maybe BRP will choose to respond. Maybe we'll all find out if the problems run into tens, hundreds or thousands of Spyders. Maybe those that do not have problems can bypass this forum altogether and use the regular forums for information or which is the best exhaust system or the best seat.
Take the monkey off your back, and enjoy the website for what you designed it to do.
Another two cents worth....
First and foremost, this is without a doubt he most informative site I've come across in many years. I sincerely hope that you don't decide to throw in the towel.
Lamont, as the webmaster/owner of the site, you are in somewhat the same position as the fabled messenger, not responsible for the viewpoints presented, and should not be 'shot' by others or yourself.
Tomorrow I will pull the trigger and purchase a red 09 SE5. Is there an element of risk of having steering issues, fire, etc.? Certainly! But any machine that I've ever ridden/driven/flown has always had the potential to reach around and bite me in the a$$. The higher the performance factor, the bigger the potential bite. (for a pucker check, come off the gas during a hard turn in any '70s era 911....)
I'm a big boy (actually more of an old guy), and it is my responsibility to determine if the risks involved in any activity are acceptable to me. If at some time in the future, I decide the risks become to high I'll sell it or park it and walk away.
Each of us have varying levels of what we consider "acceptable" risks. Always variable all of the time. In my humble opinion, if/when the level of uncomfortableness becomes to high then it is time to go. Especially in what is essentially a recreational activity. None of is required (except by our own motives) to ride.
I certainly believe that BRP will solve the steering problem. Until they do, I hope to enjoy the ride, and always understand that some activities are more dangerous than others.
Sorry for the long post and pontification, but thought I'd throw out a perhaps different point of view.
Ron
First and foremost, this is without a doubt he most informative site I've come across in many years. I sincerely hope that you don't decide to throw in the towel.
Lamont, as the webmaster/owner of the site, you are in somewhat the same position as the fabled messenger, not responsible for the viewpoints presented, and should not be 'shot' by others or yourself.
Tomorrow I will pull the trigger and purchase a red 09 SE5. Is there an element of risk of having steering issues, fire, etc.? Certainly! But any machine that I've ever ridden/driven/flown has always had the potential to reach around and bite me in the a$$. The higher the performance factor, the bigger the potential bite. (for a pucker check, come off the gas during a hard turn in any '70s era 911....)
I'm a big boy (actually more of an old guy), and it is my responsibility to determine if the risks involved in any activity are acceptable to me. If at some time in the future, I decide the risks become to high I'll sell it or park it and walk away.
Each of us have varying levels of what we consider "acceptable" risks. Always variable all of the time. In my humble opinion, if/when the level of uncomfortableness becomes to high then it is time to go. Especially in what is essentially a recreational activity. None of is required (except by our own motives) to ride.
I certainly believe that BRP will solve the steering problem. Until they do, I hope to enjoy the ride, and always understand that some activities are more dangerous than others.
Sorry for the long post and pontification, but thought I'd throw out a perhaps different point of view.
Ron
pphantom538
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Lamont,
Thank you. I apprecaite what you've done and are doing. I certainly do not hold you or any member of this site accountable for the BRP product or my actions but I know I ride safer and have more fun as a result of this board.
Thank you. I apprecaite what you've done and are doing. I certainly do not hold you or any member of this site accountable for the BRP product or my actions but I know I ride safer and have more fun as a result of this board.
RodO
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Hi Lamonster,
1st off, thanks very much for all of your incredible work in building this site into a fantastic asset for us to share in.
It would be a shame to lose the site, but it's yours and that's your choice.
Problems that some of us are having , and those that BRP is having, aren't yours, though. Unless you want them to be.
Maybe a solution is to let us continue to rant, praise, or whatever, but don't get personally involved and get to the point where you own the problems.
Not to be unkind, but there's lots of experience and ideas that float around here and maybe we'll muddle through -- as long as we have a place to congregate and share. You don't need to own all of our crap, though.
I like this site because I know that I'm not the smartest guy, but being here lets me at least sit next to those who are smarter and learn, and then make my own decisions.
"None of us is as smart as all of us."
Thanks,
Rod.
1st off, thanks very much for all of your incredible work in building this site into a fantastic asset for us to share in.
It would be a shame to lose the site, but it's yours and that's your choice.
Problems that some of us are having , and those that BRP is having, aren't yours, though. Unless you want them to be.
Maybe a solution is to let us continue to rant, praise, or whatever, but don't get personally involved and get to the point where you own the problems.
Not to be unkind, but there's lots of experience and ideas that float around here and maybe we'll muddle through -- as long as we have a place to congregate and share. You don't need to own all of our crap, though.
I like this site because I know that I'm not the smartest guy, but being here lets me at least sit next to those who are smarter and learn, and then make my own decisions.
"None of us is as smart as all of us."
Thanks,
Rod.
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Hi Lamont and all Spyder lovers. I just got in from the field and a bit tired so I didn't read all the replys but it certainly shows that we are all Very Passionate :spyder2wners and love them very much. The website is a wonderful tool and really needs to here for all. I have met some wonderful people and learned countless things about my Spyder because of this site. Hey, these things are very new and there are going to be some issues. Perseverance!! Thanks to all - Lets keep it going!
wners and love them very much. The website is a wonderful tool and really needs to here for all. I have met some wonderful people and learned countless things about my Spyder because of this site. Hey, these things are very new and there are going to be some issues. Perseverance!! Thanks to all - Lets keep it going!The_Spyderwoman
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Maybe all us spyder ryders should take every complaint posted from now on and try to add a compliment to the post to even it out. :dontknow:
Mo Lee
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It is your board and of course you have the right, and can do what you want. However if and when you brought it back I doubt it would ever regain the popularity that is has now. I'm sure because of human nature people would just flock to the other Spyder sites to keep informed and might not come back. Although I agree there is way too many negative comments right now, closure might be misinterpeted as censorship. Although I fear the day my steering acts up like has been described here, I almost would welcome it just to see how severe it really is. I'm sure any of us that have been Spyder owners for any length of time can think of at least one person they may have been partly responsible for their purchase and may be feeling a little of what Lamonster is feeling right now.
Wake up BRP
I really think that a major reason for a lot of the griping is borne out of frustration with BRP. We are told that BRP reads the forums, and consequently knows the problems, but nothing is heard from them. This should be a wake up call to BRPs Customer Service and their Technical service to be accountable.
On a personal note. The only problem I have had with my Spyder (other than not putting enough Kilometres on it) is a VCM that died while on a 4000Km trip while I was 1200Kms from home. It was back on the road (new VCM delivered and fitted) the next day. that's what I call service. I have had the first update done with no problems, and the Technician at my dealers is first rate. Both of these matters could have gone the other way according to the posts on this (and other) forums. If they had, then I think the frustration would be showing with me. I really don't think people should be bombarding you with their problems,. There should be an effective means of bombarding BRP with the problems
I can really sense your frustration in all this, as can most everybody else here. I hope you don't feel you have to shut down for a while,but if you do then be sure, we will understand.
Hi Lamont,
I really think that a major reason for a lot of the griping is borne out of frustration with BRP. We are told that BRP reads the forums, and consequently knows the problems, but nothing is heard from them. This should be a wake up call to BRPs Customer Service and their Technical service to be accountable.
On a personal note. The only problem I have had with my Spyder (other than not putting enough Kilometres on it) is a VCM that died while on a 4000Km trip while I was 1200Kms from home. It was back on the road (new VCM delivered and fitted) the next day. that's what I call service. I have had the first update done with no problems, and the Technician at my dealers is first rate. Both of these matters could have gone the other way according to the posts on this (and other) forums. If they had, then I think the frustration would be showing with me. I really don't think people should be bombarding you with their problems,. There should be an effective means of bombarding BRP with the problems
I can really sense your frustration in all this, as can most everybody else here. I hope you don't feel you have to shut down for a while,but if you do then be sure, we will understand.
jimclarkf1
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THANKS LAMONT,,,100%
and once again, NOTHING BUT CLASS:2thumbs:
and once again, NOTHING BUT CLASS:2thumbs:
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aubierules
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my 2 cents
Lamont, If it weren't for u and this site, I might not have be riding right now...its because of u and ur handbrake that i can ride(handicapped) not only did u come up with the idea, but u helped me on the phone...I know there has been a lot of negativity as of late. To me that is understandable. Its a passionate issue and will no doubt pit people against people. But, you shouldn't feel like its your fault.....you have been a God-send to us here. Of course it is your decision as to whether or not to shut down the site, but I personally feel it would be a mistake as you and your site have helped so many people, including myself...maybe everyone will see this and respect your privacy and not ask you silly questions that you cant answer....like "will i kill myself on the spyder" etc....whatever your descision i want ot thank you for what you have done for me and everyone else, u truly are a good man:thumbup:
Lamont, If it weren't for u and this site, I might not have be riding right now...its because of u and ur handbrake that i can ride(handicapped) not only did u come up with the idea, but u helped me on the phone...I know there has been a lot of negativity as of late. To me that is understandable. Its a passionate issue and will no doubt pit people against people. But, you shouldn't feel like its your fault.....you have been a God-send to us here. Of course it is your decision as to whether or not to shut down the site, but I personally feel it would be a mistake as you and your site have helped so many people, including myself...maybe everyone will see this and respect your privacy and not ask you silly questions that you cant answer....like "will i kill myself on the spyder" etc....whatever your descision i want ot thank you for what you have done for me and everyone else, u truly are a good man:thumbup:
smokster
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I think we all need to learn to chill a bit and remember the good times we had before the Spyder.
My new addition makes me laugh everyday and that what life should really be.
Lamont, your site is priceless on helping us through all this. Keep up the good work. The rest of us need to take sometime and enjoy the simple things.
Be safe
Smokster and Bucky
My new addition makes me laugh everyday and that what life should really be.
Lamont, your site is priceless on helping us through all this. Keep up the good work. The rest of us need to take sometime and enjoy the simple things.
Be safe
Smokster and Bucky
G-Man
MOgang Member
My 2 Cents
Lamont; Long story short; Put on a rain coat (the tears of all the disgruntled Spyder owners will run off your shoulders), buy a case of beer and a bottle of Jack, build a small fire on a remote piece of your land, get drunk, and repeat the mantra: The problems of all Spyder owners are not mine, the problems of all Spyder owners are not mine…..fall asleep and come back fresh.
No one has a right to put you on the spot as being responsible for problems with their Spyders. Shame on anyone who does. I have seen quite a few Spyders, and have yet to see one with “Lamont edition” stamped on it. Anyone who accuses you of being on the take from BRP should be banned, as having nothing productive to add to the site. Censorship be darned; “free speech” doesn’t apply here. Your house, we are invited guests, and should behave as such or be told to go home. No need for you to have to defend yourself or “take sides” except your own. You have provided a great amount of valuable advice, and passed on vast amounts of information based on your personal experiences and wealth of knowledge on the subject of Spyders. Like any great leader, you feel the pressure because you put so much of yourself into what you love. Some people just don’t appreciate it. Not everyone will. We should all just thank you very much for all you have done thus far, acting as middle-man to BRP. You have had a lot of success, but again no one should expect it of you. You’re not a BRP representative. The Spyder is a fairly new product. As such there are bound to be bugs. I know that BRP is working feverishly to address these issues and come out with a better product. That’s their job. Your task, Lamont, is to administer this site, and mediate (censor) if necessary. No one should expect more. Since you feel the need to provide more, we should simply say thank you and go about our business. Closing the site will not solve anything. It’s your site, so you can if you want. But people will simply find another forum to vent on, congregate on line and find new friends. I don’t think that opening the site again later would be as successful as what you have now. Riding (regardless of the type of bike) is a sport, or hobby. As with running shoes, or model glue, if you don’t like the product, go buy something else. The successful manufacturers are the ones which listen to their customers and build what the majority want. You can’t please everyone. If Spyder owners feel their product doesn’t satisfy their need, they can sell it and get something else, or stay home and watch TV. The ones who love it and are willing to work through the issues are the ones who will experience the most joy from their Spyders. The greatest satisfaction comes through overcoming the problems and experiencing the end result. I work in acquisition for the Dept of Defense, so I know firsthand that when you put a new product out to the masses, the majority of comments arise from problems. If people are happy with the product, they rarely offer an unsolicited opinion. But, when there is a problem, the world has to know about it ..now. We’ll get through this. Patience grasshopper. My two cents (feel free to offer change, or just delete) is that closing or suspending this forum will be its permanent undoing. You may be able to resurrect it later, but it’ll never be the same.
If we ever meet, I’ll buy the Jack.
Thanks for all you do brother.
G-Man
Lamont; Long story short; Put on a rain coat (the tears of all the disgruntled Spyder owners will run off your shoulders), buy a case of beer and a bottle of Jack, build a small fire on a remote piece of your land, get drunk, and repeat the mantra: The problems of all Spyder owners are not mine, the problems of all Spyder owners are not mine…..fall asleep and come back fresh.
No one has a right to put you on the spot as being responsible for problems with their Spyders. Shame on anyone who does. I have seen quite a few Spyders, and have yet to see one with “Lamont edition” stamped on it. Anyone who accuses you of being on the take from BRP should be banned, as having nothing productive to add to the site. Censorship be darned; “free speech” doesn’t apply here. Your house, we are invited guests, and should behave as such or be told to go home. No need for you to have to defend yourself or “take sides” except your own. You have provided a great amount of valuable advice, and passed on vast amounts of information based on your personal experiences and wealth of knowledge on the subject of Spyders. Like any great leader, you feel the pressure because you put so much of yourself into what you love. Some people just don’t appreciate it. Not everyone will. We should all just thank you very much for all you have done thus far, acting as middle-man to BRP. You have had a lot of success, but again no one should expect it of you. You’re not a BRP representative. The Spyder is a fairly new product. As such there are bound to be bugs. I know that BRP is working feverishly to address these issues and come out with a better product. That’s their job. Your task, Lamont, is to administer this site, and mediate (censor) if necessary. No one should expect more. Since you feel the need to provide more, we should simply say thank you and go about our business. Closing the site will not solve anything. It’s your site, so you can if you want. But people will simply find another forum to vent on, congregate on line and find new friends. I don’t think that opening the site again later would be as successful as what you have now. Riding (regardless of the type of bike) is a sport, or hobby. As with running shoes, or model glue, if you don’t like the product, go buy something else. The successful manufacturers are the ones which listen to their customers and build what the majority want. You can’t please everyone. If Spyder owners feel their product doesn’t satisfy their need, they can sell it and get something else, or stay home and watch TV. The ones who love it and are willing to work through the issues are the ones who will experience the most joy from their Spyders. The greatest satisfaction comes through overcoming the problems and experiencing the end result. I work in acquisition for the Dept of Defense, so I know firsthand that when you put a new product out to the masses, the majority of comments arise from problems. If people are happy with the product, they rarely offer an unsolicited opinion. But, when there is a problem, the world has to know about it ..now. We’ll get through this. Patience grasshopper. My two cents (feel free to offer change, or just delete) is that closing or suspending this forum will be its permanent undoing. You may be able to resurrect it later, but it’ll never be the same.
If we ever meet, I’ll buy the Jack.
Thanks for all you do brother.
G-Man
Lamont:
I use this site daily and even though I don't always log in, I have received so much useful information that has saved me much grief and money. I have even asked my dealer several time to look at a certain thread when I have work done on the Spyder. In fact, just this morning I emailed him a quote stating that multiple downloads might be affecting the update #2 which I intend to have done. This site is a valuable jewel of information!!!
I use this site daily and even though I don't always log in, I have received so much useful information that has saved me much grief and money. I have even asked my dealer several time to look at a certain thread when I have work done on the Spyder. In fact, just this morning I emailed him a quote stating that multiple downloads might be affecting the update #2 which I intend to have done. This site is a valuable jewel of information!!!
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