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Will shaft drive be coming to the 1330?

If shaft drive reduces efficiency, why do those who live on the outer edge of performance use it.....? OTR drivers "live" efficiency. Race cars do the same. I don't see a lot of Smart Cars or those in search of higher mileage and efficiencies using any kind of belt or chain drive. What am I (and the automotive industry) missing......? I like my shaft drive Goldwings and would not trade their shaft drive for a belt or chain..... I tolerate my belt drive Spyder and would trade it for a shaft drive..... Jim
 
I like my shaft drive Goldwings and would not trade their shaft drive for a belt or chain..... I tolerate my belt drive Spyder and would trade it for a shaft drive..... Jim

That's exactly the predicament I find myself in. I've all but signed the deal to trade my 2015 Goldwing on a 2019 F3L but have become hesitant because of this issue. I'd hate to go with the 2019 and find out that the 2020 will have a CVT and shaft drive. The R&D has already been done as evidenced by the new Ryker 3 cylinder 900.
 
That's exactly the predicament I find myself in. I've all but signed the deal to trade my 2015 Goldwing on a 2019 F3L but have become hesitant because of this issue. I'd hate to go with the 2019 and find out that the 2020 will have a CVT and shaft drive. The R&D has already been done as evidenced by the new Ryker 3 cylinder 900.

Based on what everyone has said, I do not think you have to worry about the 20's F3's being revised that radically. Speculation is that RT may be on the chopping block and F3 will be standing alone for that type of Spyder.

My RT's are long paid for, run good, and BRP has not tempted me with any new offerings of late. I am happy with the colors and the dashboards that I currently have. :bbq:
 
That's exactly the predicament I find myself in. I've all but signed the deal to trade my 2015 Goldwing on a 2019 F3L but have become hesitant because of this issue. I'd hate to go with the 2019 and find out that the 2020 will have a CVT and shaft drive. The R&D has already been done as evidenced by the new Ryker 3 cylinder 900.

I do understand your concern. Can't control or speculate about the unknown future. If you find what suits you, go for it. Make the best deal you can and don't look back...... just enjoy..... Jim
 
THREE Great Reasons!!! The Ryker was built for shaft drive- BRP will Never Change the drive on current models and if they Don't start selling better The Ryker Line May be the Only line in the future?

Scary / sad to think about that, but I agree 110% and then some!
 
Scary / sad to think about that, but I agree 110% and then some!

I would really like to feel a smoother ride on my RT. I have tried all of the tricks, mentioned on these forums, and run Doc’s Belt Dampener, and new balenced tires, and have had Dealers adjust the Belt tension, which only moves the belt chatter to happen at different speeds. After logging about 85,000 miles beteen my 2012 and 2016 RTs, I have come to the conclusion that unless BRP changes the Belt designs, the chatter is never going completely away. And the chatter is a completely different “ feel” than the vibration felt from V-Twin unbalenced engines. Yes, Shaft drives do solve the chatter problem, but create new problems. But there has to be ways of Engineering an accepable Fix on belt chatter that has had Owners complaining about during the entire history of Spyder production and Sales. Personally, I will never buy another Belt Driven Spyder, unless the Chatter problem is gone. I will buy an extended Waurentee for my 2016 RT for as long as I can get it, and live with the chatter I already have, rather than buy the same old Chatter packaged in new Tupper Ware with a few new Tweaks. I have always wondered why BRP Engineers have not either gone to a Front Wheel Drive System, eliminating the belt, or, at the very least, shorteninig the Belt, by running two shorter belts, to reduce or eliminate belt chatter. This could be accomplished by adding a Pully, or Gear in the middle of the long belt, making the Drive two short belts, which would just about eliminate Belt Chatter, as the short belts on Harleys do not have belt chatter. But what do I know? ( only what I will buy, and it will never be another long belt chattering Spyder!)
 
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"I have come to the conclusion that unless BRP changes the Belt designs, the chatter is never going completely away" "Owners complaining about during the entire history of Spyder production and Sales. Personally, I will never buy another Belt Driven Spyder" "new Tubber Ware with a few new Tweaks" "what do I know? ( only what I will buy, and it will never be another long belt chattering Spyder!)"

Not exactly what I'd call "Words of Encouragement" for someone that's ready to pull the trigger on a new 2019. At 72 years old my 2015 Wing has just become too much for me to handle. Post like this really have me thinking whether I'd be doing the right thing.
 
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Not exactly what I'd call "Words of Encouragement" for someone that's ready to pull the trigger on a new 2019. At 72 years old my 2015 Wing has just become too much for me to handle. Post like this really have me thinking whether I'd be doing the right thing.

Maybe its my age bracket (42), but I really don't understand why people complain about, all this chatter, vibrations, and what not. I have a RS-S with the V twin which vibrates / chatters a lot more than the 1330. To me I expect some vibrations and such as I am not driving in a enclosed cockpit Buick. My RS-S has some pretty smooth vibration free areas in the power band. I don't run any after market vibration tensioners, and I still say its not as big of a deal as some may make it seem. I do think though as people tend to get older they have the tendency to complain more about stuff (Crotchety old man syndrome).

Don't let people scare you away complaining about the negatives of the Spyder as most people tend to concentrate on things that are irritating letting the GREAT parts of the Spyder slip through their lives! Go follow your heart and purchase one, it for sure will give you a grin from ear to ear and keep you from having to drive inside a cockpit!!! Life is short go and enjoy what time we get to have on this glorious planet called earth. :yes:
 
Not exactly what I'd call "Words of Encouragement" for someone that's ready to pull the trigger on a new 2019. At 72 years old my 2015 Wing has just become too much for me to handle. Post like this really have me thinking whether I'd be doing the right thing.

Age is only a condition of mind. If you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter. I will be 77 in another month, and my aches & pains are only a condition of Mind, but not really mine. HaHa. My 2016 RT was tied up for 2-1/2 months this Summer while they floundered around replacing the failed Front Pulley Sprocket that seems to be happening on a lot of them, around the 20,000 mile mark, mine included. It was in June, and since I could not get any firm answers from the Dealer on how long it might take to diagnose and repair my Spyder, I decided to buy a back up Toy to get me thru the Summer. I took a Sling Shot out for a Demo ride at the Dealer, and actually liked it, and thought it would be fun to own. But looking at all the exposed Gizmos, brackets, wiring, and the same rear tire that wears out on Spyders in less than 10,000 miles, I figured 6-8,000 miles at best, expectation on the Sling Shot, and I’d have to be back to the same Dealer that is always 4-6 weeks out to even book an appointment to get an oil change, let alone a tire change! So, I bought a used 2009 Harley Heritage, and put 3000 miles on it, while waiting to get my Spyder back. I then had my same Spyder Dealer put two new tires on my Harley, which they did, after waiting a month to get it done, but then, my Harley also quit on me, loosing all of its Electrical leaving me stuck on the Parkway. When the AAA Tow Truck finally arrived 3 hours later, I had them bring my Harley to my Spyder Dealer, because after them just recently installing the two new tires on it, and me having no other relationships with Dealers in the immediate area, I had the Harley left there. Not a wise decision on my part. They had my Harley for 2 months, so I missed all of the Peak Autom riding during the Foilage Season, while they first said my Battery only needed charging, then a week later, no, the battery wouldn’t hold a charge, and needed Battery. I OKed a new Battery, then a week later was told I needed new Regulater, and they could order an after Market one. I OKed that, and waited another 2 weeks, then was told the Regulater they ordered would not fit, but Harley had one in stock, and they could pick it up the same day,....for more money? I OKed that, and another week went by with no word from the Dealer. My Spyder’s rear tire was now worn to the Cord, so I called my Spyder Dealer on a Sat. Morning to try to book an appt. for the tire change. They said they could only take it 3 weeks out! So, now, they still had my Harley, unrepaired, and left me with my Spyder unsafe to ride with a bad tire. So I called another Spyder Dealer 50 miles away who took me right in that Monday and installed my new tire and new Brake Pads, front and rear! ( guess where I will be bringing my Spyder to for ALL future maintence, and where I will be upgrading to a new one, if BRP ever comes up with a fix on Belt Chatter? Fast forward to a week later, when I get a call from my Dealer that has my Harley to come get it, as they have given up on it! They said it now needed a Stator, and they did not have the expertise or Tools to install it! Imagine a huge Dealer that sells Spyders, ATVs, Polarises, Sling Shots, Hondas, Kawasakis, Victorys, and many pre owned Bikes, not able to install a Stator on a 2009 Harley? Worse, I was leaving to go out of State for a week, and they refused to arrange to have my Harley repaired at the Harley Dealer. They told me I owed $400+ for the Battery, Regulater and Diagnosis, and to pay them and come get it! Real fantastic Customer Service, for such a large Dealer thinking Word of Mouth only applies to generate future Business. Any way, I paid the Dealer over the phone with my Credit Card and told them to release my Harley to Harley, whom I called to have them go retrieve it with their Truck and Trailer. What an absolute pleasure and relief to be treated with respect by the Harley Dealer who quickly responded to all of my needs, picked it up, installed the Stator, and changed my Oils and Filter, and repaired an Exhaust Leak they discovered, where a bolt was broken and had to be drilled out. The Harley Dealer in Roanoke Virginia was an absolute pleasure to deal with, after haven experienced several years of absolulte abuse and by the local Spyder Dealer. I was tempted to file a complaint to our local Better Business Beaureau, but decided life is too short,...for me, so I will take my Harley to the Harley Dealer, and my Spyder to my other Spyder Dealer, 50 miles away, who have always treated me with respect and serviced my 2012 I bought from them for 5 years in a timely fashion. SERVICE is the most important ingredient of any Vehicle we decide to buy. I love my Harley,....and can tolerate my Chattering Spyder, .....when it is in my garage , and not sitting at some Dealer waiting for Waurentee repairs. I intend to purchase my Extended Waurentee Spyder Policy from my Dealer 50 miles away, and will avoid my local Dealer that is only 5 miles away that has treated me like dirt for years like a Plague! It amazes me, how they retain any Business at all, after some one who bought a new Vehicle from them finds out they have to wait 4-6 weeks to get their first Service done on their new Vehicle! There is a real bad management problem with that Dealer, I would say. So, Sir, I advise you to keep your GW, as a Back up, as long as you can hold it up, because if you buy a Spyder, you will surely NEED a back up,...if you want to be sure to have a Vehicle to ride in peak riding Seasons at all times.
 
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Jas, My 2009 V-Twin 1600 CC Belt driven Harley doesn’t vibrate or chatter, any where nearly as bad as either my 2012 and 2016 RTs have. Vibration & Chatter are two different feelings. Spyders chatter, and V-Twins with unbalanced engines Vibrate, but don’t chatter. If you search all the treads here on Belt alighnment, chatter and vibration, you will discover Chatter is not an AGE issue. My 77 year old Butt feels the same as my 42 year Butt felt, and I know by a lot of experience what the difference between Chatter and Vibration feels like. I owned 1973 Harley Sportster XLCH 1000 CC with solid lifters and unbalanced engine. It never chattered like my Spyders, but it vibrated. My Spyders both chatter starting at about 68 MPH thru 75 MPH, with the belt adjusted to Dealer Specs. If the tension is tightened, the chatter can be moved to occurr up or down, but it rarely is ever completely eliminated, and when it occurrs in those MPH ranges, the mirrors and handlebar shake, not vibrate. It acts like the tires are out of balence, but balencing still won’t eliminate the Chatter. Belt Dampenets are more of a Placeebo, IMO, than Chatter eliminaters. I had a BRP Skidoo Snow Sled that always had Belt Chatter, and I never could get rid of it, until I traded the Skidoo in for an Artic Cat.
 
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Jas, My 2009 V-Twin 1600 CC Belt driven Harley doesn’t vibrate or chatter, any where nearly as bad as either my 2012 and 2016 RTs have. Vibration & Chatter are two different feelings. Spyders chatter, and V-Twins with unbalanced engines Vibrate, but don’t chatter. If you search all the treads here on Belt alighnment, chatter and vibration, you will discover Chatter is not an AGE issue. My 77 year old Butt feels the same as my 42 year Butt felt, and I know by a lot of experience what the difference between Chatter and Vibration fells like. I owned 1973 Harley Sportster XLCH 100 CC with solid lifters and unbalanced engine. It never chattered like my Spyders, but it vibrated. My Spyders both chatter starting at about 68 MPH thru 75 MPH, with the belt adjusted to Dealer Specs. If the tension is tightened, the chatter can be moved to occurr up or down, but it rarely is ever completely eliminated, and when it occurrs in those MPH ranges, the mirrors and handlebar shake, not vibrate. It acts like the tires are out of balence, but balencing still won’t eliminate the Chatter. Belt Dampenets are more of a Placeebo, IMO, than Chatter eliminaters. I had a BRP Skidoo Snow Sled that always had Belt Chatter, and I never could get rid of it, until I traded the Skidoo in for an Artic Cat.

I still feel its irrelevant, to complain about stuff all the time. Spyder's are just darn fun, & I don't care if I feel vibrations, or chatter. I could care less about the vibes or chatter, its a mechanical marvel I am driving with how many darn parts / components to make it move with out me peddling, I expect to feel some vibes, & chatter. If my Spyder were to have a mechanical issue I would expect that as well, nothing lasts forever, and that is why we have service departments.
 
Age is only a condition of mind. If you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter. I will be 77 in another month, and my aches & pains are only a condition of Mind, but not really mine. HaHa. My 2016 RT was tied up for 2-1/2 months this Summer while they floundered around replacing the failed Front Pulley Sprocket that seems to be happening on a lot of them, around the 20,000 mile mark, mine included. It was in June, and since I could not get any firm answers from the Dealer on how long it might take to diagnose and repair my Spyder, I decided to buy a back up Toy to get me thru the Summer. I took a Sling Shot out for a Demo ride at the Dealer, and actually liked it, and thought it would be fun to own. But looking at all the exposed Gizmos, brackets, wiring, and the same rear tire that wears out on Spyders in less than 10,000 miles, I figured 6-8,000 miles at best, expectation on the Sling Shot, and I’d have to be back to the same Dealer that is always 4-6 weeks out to even book an appointment to get an oil change, let alone a tire change! So, I bought a used 2009 Harley Heritage, and put 3000 miles on it, while waiting to get my Spyder back. I then had my same Spyder Dealer put two new tires on my Harley, which they did, after waiting a month to get it done, but then, my Harley also quit on me, loosing all of its Electrical leaving me stuck on the Parkway. When the AAA Tow Truck finally arrived 3 hours later, I had them bring my Harley to my Spyder Dealer, because after them just recently installing the two new tires on it, and me having no other relationships with Dealers in the immediate area, I had the Harley left there. Not a wise decision on my part. They had my Harley for 2 months, so I missed all of the Peak Autom riding during the Foilage Season, while they first said my Battery only needed charging, then a week later, no, the battery wouldn’t hold a charge, and needed Battery. I OKed a new Battery, then a week later was told I needed new Regulater, and they could order an after Market one. I OKed that, and waited another 2 weeks, then was told the Regulater they ordered would not fit, but Harley had one in stock, and they could pick it up the same day,....for more money? I OKed that, and another week went by with no word from the Dealer. My Spyder’s rear tire was now worn to the Cord, so I called my Spyder Dealer on a Sat. Morning to try to book an appt. for the tire change. They said they could only take it 3 weeks out! So, now, they still had my Harley, unrepaired, and left me with my Spyder unsafe to ride with a bad tire. So I called another Spyder Dealer 50 miles away who took me right in that Monday and installed my new tire and new Brake Pads, front and rear! ( guess where I will be bringing my Spyder to for ALL future maintence, and where I will be upgrading to a new one, if BRP ever comes up with a fix on Belt Chatter? Fast forward to a week later, when I get a call from my Dealer that has my Harley to come get it, as they have given up on it! They said it now needed a Stator, and they did not have the expertise or Tools to install it! Imagine a huge Dealer that sells Spyders, ATVs, Polarises, Sling Shots, Hondas, Kawasakis, Victorys, and many pre owned Bikes, not able to install a Stator on a 2009 Harley? Worse, I was leaving to go out of State for a week, and they refused to arrange to have my Harley repaired at the Harley Dealer. They told me I owed $400+ for the Battery, Regulater and Diagnosis, and to pay them and come get it! Real fantastic Customer Service, for such a large Dealer thinking Word of Mouth only applies to generate future Business. Any way, I paid the Dealer over the phone with my Credit Card and told them to release my Harley to Harley, whom I called to have them go retrieve it with their Truck and Trailer. What an absolute pleasure and relief to be treated with respect by the Harley Dealer who quickly responded to all of my needs, picked it up, installed the Stator, and changed my Oils and Filter, and repaired an Exhaust Leak they discovered, where a bolt was broken and had to be drilled out. The Harley Dealer in Roanoke Virginia was an absolute pleasure to deal with, after haven experienced several years of absolulte abuse and by the local Spyder Dealer. I was tempted to file a complaint to our local Better Business Beaureau, but decided life is too short,...for me, so I will take my Harley to the Harley Dealer, and my Spyder to my other Spyder Dealer, 50 miles away, who have always treated me with respect and serviced my 2012 I bought from them for 5 years in a timely fashion. SERVICE is the most important ingredient of any Vehicle we decide to buy. I love my Harley,....and can tolerate my Chattering Spyder, .....when it is in my garage , and not sitting at some Dealer waiting for Waurentee repairs. I intend to purchase my Extended Waurentee Spyder Policy from my Dealer 50 miles away, and will avoid my local Dealer that is only 5 miles away that has treated me like dirt for years like a Plague! It amazes me, how they retain any Business at all, after some one who bought a new Vehicle from them finds out they have to wait 4-6 weeks to get their first Service done on their new Vehicle! There is a real bad management problem with that Dealer, I would say. So, Sir, I advise you to keep your GW, as a Back up, as long as you can hold it up, because if you buy a Spyder, you will surely NEED a back up,...if you want to be sure to have a Vehicle to ride in peak riding Seasons at all times.

I have 4 spyder dealers within 40 miles. Closest one totally sucks. Takes months to get anything fixed right. I would have never taken a Harley to your dealer knowing they suck. For me when I take my spyder in they fix it in a timely manner. If I had to wait months I would have it traded at another dealer for a different bike.
 
When dealers give good service and delight their customers, I think it is important that they be recognized. They work for and deserve our business. Likewise, when dealers provide poor and in some cases aragant service, I think they should be identified also. It helps us all to know who the good player are and which dealers to avoid. Complaining anamously (not naming the dealer) may help the complainer vent, but does nothing to help the rest of us know where we can expect to receive decent treatment....... (or not) ...... Jim
 
When dealers give good service and delight their customers, I think it is important that they be recognized. They work for and deserve our business. Likewise, when dealers provide poor and in some cases aragant service, I think they should be identified also. It helps us all to know who the good player are and which dealers to avoid. Complaining anamously (not naming the dealer) may help the complainer vent, but does nothing to help the rest of us know where we can expect to receive decent treatment....... (or not) ...... Jim

I agree, but Spyder Owners in Roanoke Virgina Area all know that there is only one Dealer in Roanoke, so they know who it is. Owners outside the area don’t need to know the Name, and can easily do a search. But the Can Am Dealer 50 miles away that does deserve Recognition is Virgal Naff Kawasaki in Lynchburg, Virginia. They were the only Can Am Dealer in the area when I was first shopping for a Spyder the end of 2011. The other Dealer became a Can Am Dealer about 18 months later. Their Sevice Manager’s Name is Kenney, and he was there in Jan. 2012 when I bought my first RT from them. So I don’t know how long he has been there, but knows his Business, and knows how to treat their Customers. They also sell Hondas, Yahmahas, and Kawasakis, in addition to Can Am Spyders, ATVs and Seadoos, and are about 1/4 in Show Room and Service Size as the large Mega sized Dealer in Ronoke, but make up for their size by their Service. They would be ashamed of them selves to make any of their Customers wait 3-4 weeks to get a tire changed , or get an Oil Change. The Owner him self would keep his two Sons in the shop to change the tire, if he had to, before he would turn a blind eye to his Customer’s needs in an emergancy, such as a tire running on cord! There is another Can Am Dealer in North Carolina, about 70 miles away, but I have no experience with them, so can’t comment. I don’t need to Vent. Its the absolute Truth! Surely, there has to be many others than me who have been left waiting with their phones expecting for the next call about when is their Vehicle is going to be ready? There are a few Bad Reviews on tne BBB site, about how the Service sucks there, but the Dealer responds with a real Professional written response that looks good,....to any one who has never dealt with them. They write better than they service!
 
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When dealers give good service and delight their customers, I think it is important that they be recognized. It helps us all to know who the good player are and which dealers to avoid.

I agree and it would sure help newbies like me to seek out dependable dealers if this forum had a sticky where members could post positive comments of their experiences with different dealers - state by state of course.
 
............the Can Am Dealer 50 miles away that does deserve Recognition is Virgal Naff Kawasaki in Lynchburg, Virginia..........

I was just by this dealer today (20 miles away) asking about the 2019's. Dealt with them many years ago and don't recall having any issues. They are on my short list.
 
Years ago, the shaft drive “stuff” was talked about here on Spyderlovers. Myself, I was then and remain in agreement that shaft drive would eliminate some of the downside regarding the belt drive.

Not opposed to chain drive, a while back I did some homework to search the possibilities of converting from belt drive to chain drive.

Ultimately, in the end, with the tech bulletin for lower belt tensions as a reference, I lowered the belt tension and experienced good results. Overall, at cruise speeds on flat roads there is not vibration felt. Add in a load and there is a few seconds of vibration that subsides quickly. This has been a good setup for us.

As for shaft drive, the RT being more touring oriented, although the F3 has a touring models also, is the obvious best choice to go shaft drive. With creative engineering, they could likely retain the current engine and gearbox as is forthe front. Getting clearance around the swingarm pivot makes the shaft drive tricky. They could however maybe add a universal or CV joint that hinges at the swingarm pivot area, and run two shafts. A bit complex, but not bad. Done well, the entire setup could run in gearoil, with an easy drain plug and fill plug, then use a witness hole to check the gear oil fluid level.

Truth told though, BRP / Can Am could be miles ahead to scrap their current tensioner / belt vibration damper and run a true damper that is properly controlled. They went with a very inexpensive, low cost band aid to fix a sprained ankle.

Like so many things Can Am Spyder, the concept is cool, the performance is given to the public at 80% ready for prime time. Good, and good enough for many, but the effort and expense to really do the job, is likely crimped by marketing folks demanding the product be released.

Myself and others have said it before, if Honda releases the NeoWing, Can Am will have their hands full. Granted the Ryker is new and has innovation. However, it certainly is no RT. If Can Am openly accepted the known concerns of the RT and F3, then focused on retrofitable cures at reasonable cost and provide them on new Spyders it would truly up their game. However, when you are the one major player, you can be what you want.

Our 14 RTS is 5 years old next month. I know its quirks and accept them. Without doubt, we have come a long way since reading a ton of post here advising do not buy the first model year of the changed to 1330 bike. A few months later, owners of previous years, especially 13s could not upgrade fast enough.

I welcome shaft drive done right. This is Can Am, and my current thoughts are, be happy with the belt. Simple, low cost and efficient compared to shaft drive.
 
:agree::agree::agree: Very good perspective. As stated previously, I tolerate my belt drive. The inherent problems are mitigated by reducing belt tension and adding Docs' dampener.
 
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