Dealer Recall Surging Suggestion

[Pete Denzer]

Simple way of settling it

A simple way of checking out post-reflash octane requirements would be to try a test tankful of premium gas. That would be considered anecdotal evidence.

My '09 SE5 (Hindle, Evoluzione air filter, O2 Eliminator) also surges and sputters following upgrade steering/engine flash. I was running 89 octane at the time, refueled right after flash with regular 87 octane, noticed surging after hot starts with high ambient temps. Runs fine after sitting all night.

Next tankful will be with high-test 91-plus octane.

Will post results. Would others in this discussion do the same? TIA.

 

[M2Wild]

My Spyder has always run great on 87 octane, per the manual.

So this "Steering Recall" has me concerned.

If I don't have it done and later have a steering issue-BRP can say I told you so.

If I do have it done_ I may ride away with a problem Spyder.

I think I'll take a chance and wait a little while longer and see if there is a software change to the change.

I second that.

 

[glynnk]

A simple way of checking out post-reflash octane requirements would be to try a test tankful of premium gas. That would be considered anecdotal evidence.

My '09 SE5 (Hindle, Evoluzione air filter, O2 Eliminator) also surges and sputters following upgrade steering/engine flash. I was running 89 octane at the time, refueled right after flash with regular 87 octane, noticed surging after hot starts with high ambient temps. Runs fine after sitting all night.

Next tankful will be with high-test 91-plus octane.

Will post results. Would others in this discussion do the same? TIA.

Thanks. I think your results will be helpful to everyone experiencing the surging, hesitation problem after the update.

Glynnk

 

[krb1945]

Does this mean we can...

mix kerosene or diesel with gas and run it in the spyder?

I have a 60 year old John Deere with 4.5 to 1 compression and it will burn anything including varsol or moonshine after it is up to operating temperature. And it only has one spark plug per cylinder for a total of two.

One might think with 10.8 compression you might be able to run the weak stuff which might lube the top end a little better.:clap:

I'm so funny sometimes I can't stand myself!

 

[kman]

had the recall done last week and bike was running fine.went for an all day ride testerday riding 2 up.started out at 9:30 air temp in the mid 70's.by noon the air temp was in the high 80's to low 90's.at our next 2 short stops when i went to restart i had to give a little throttle to start.then after running about 36 miles at 55 then slowing down in town and stop and go traffic spyder started backfiring real bad even under accelration in second gear.stopped for lunch for about an hour and when we got going again everything was fine untill we got into a backup, then it started
backfiring and popping again real bad.it seemed to get a "little" better
after we were moving again at highway speeds but still was not like it
should be.this is the first time i have ridden this far in this hot temperature.
rode to work this morning 12 miles and no problems.the only mod i have
is the Hindle exhaust. i had my dealer check for an exhaust leak about a month ago when i had it in for service and he did not find one.ever since
it got warm i noticed some minor backfiring especially when riding 2 up,
but yesterday was unacceptable.what should i check for?:dontknow:

 

[effgjamis]

Pardon my question... but are you saying that the plug on the left indicates the engine is running LEAN
???

You guys that are having the surging need to pull a plug and see if you're running lean. Your plug should look like the plug on the left.

 

[NancysToy]

Pardon my question... but are you saying that the plug on the left indicates the engine is running LEAN
???

One on the left looks like the "normal" one, while one on the right is obviously "lean". It is, however, common to see them this way on today's fuel-injected, computer-controlled, smog engines. Thank you EPA, wherever you are.

 

[Lamonster]

Got the recall update done last Friday (August 7th) at my dealer 40 miles away. On the way back home I noticed a "surging, hesitation" between 50 and 60 mph and also at some lower speeds. Called the dealer when I got home to set an appointment to bring it back to have them check it out. That was today, August 14th.

Tech test drove it and said that I needed to burn premium in it instead of regular and suggested a fuel additive also. Then the tech mentioned that "they (presumably BRP) won't tell you this, but after the recall correction you should burn premium grade gas in it".

I'm not sure I buy it. Have any of you heard this?

Glynnk

I'm not sure who your tech talked to but the tech I just talked to said this was bad information.

He did say that a lean condition could be caused by the purge valve staying open too long or getting stuck. The way to check that would be to pinch off the purge valve and see if the surging goes away.

 

[krb1945]

SM5 surges, spits and sputters...

Since the software update. It does have a hindle but it did not do that before the software update. However, it was a little rough on the idle prior to... but between 3000 and 5000 it was fine until the flash on the chip. Now it idles smoothly but between the above rpm's it is spitting and sputtering. I suspect they modified the injector controls when doing the steering update. I would imagine they noticed how the riders were saying some of the spyders really liked gas so they leaned them out some.

Now the SE5 is better all the way round. Steers better runs better . Could be because it still has the stock exhaust.

 

[glynnk]

I'm not sure who your tech talked to but the tech I just talked to said this was bad information.

He did say that a lean condition could be caused by the purge valve staying open too long or getting stuck. The way to check that would be to pinch off the purge valve and see if the surging goes away.

Thanks, but I have no idea what or where the purge valve is. Can a "non mechanical" type like me do this or do I need to get the dealer to do it?

Glynnk

 

[NancysToy]

Thanks, but I have no idea what or where the purge valve is. Can a "non mechanical" type like me do this or do I need to get the dealer to do it?

Glynnk

To access the purge valve, pull off the right side Tupperware, and locate the black evap canister near the rear of the engine. Above that you will see a funny looking plastic solenoid valve attached to the evap canister hose, with some wires attached to the valve. Just removing the wires will cause an error message, so instead you need to pinch off the top hose out of the still connected purge valve, the one going to the throttle body.

This is basically a diagnostic test and a temporary fix, only. Eventually you will want your dealer to take care of this problem correctly, and he will not be allowed to either remove the canister or pinch off the purge valve hose legally. I'm sure BRP will have a fix sooner or later......I hope.

 

[Putt-Putt]

Well I hope that they (BRP) get the fix pretty soon for the surging and backfireing.

 

[irish2themax]

Has anyone used Star Tron enzyme additive to the tank? If so, comments?

 

[theffharley]

cough

had dealer do the steering update 9\21\09 I have a hindle pipe on it and no other mods. When it is cold it will cough a little.After the update thing coughed all the way home. Also seemed to run a bit hotter It was about 72 out and will run at 3 bars when traveling.Stop at a light 5 bars..Can they change it back to where it was before?

 

[krb1945]

Mine is Hindle equiped...

and it did the same thing after the update. I did a temp fix with a stainless scrubbing pad in the end of the Hindle for three short rides. I have now pulled the pad out and it runs fine now.

I did do one additional thing... I've been told it had no bearing on the system resets to the new update. I disconnected the battery for several days while I was out of town. It has run fine ever since.

I won't begin to try and explain it. As I understand it BRP told Lamont that it did not matter if the battery was disconnected or not. There is a post on one of the threads on this site about it.


I do not know... I have not studied the schematics... nor have I invaded their software to see how it works.

 

[Putt-Putt]

had dealer do the steering update 9219 I have a hindle pipe on it and no other mods. When it is cold it will cough a little.After the update thing coughed all the way home. Also seemed to run a bit hotter It was about 72 out and will run at 3 bars when traveling.Stop at a light 5 bars..Can they change it back to where it was before?

I also noticed that it gets hotter a lot quicker, plus the surging & backfireing.