Software Update Poll- Please vote

[xpeschon]

The steering seems to be about the same, maybe a little bit better but not much--- My gas mileage seems to have gone down a great deal, I have not check how many miles per gallon I'm getting but it does burn more gas, I have put about 400 miles on since the update.. Also, it does not run as smooth has it did with-out the update... There is hesitation between 3rd and 4th gear intermeitted but its still there and my spyder has never had that... It runs a little hotter and backfires a whole lot more since the update.. As for engine mods all I have is the Hindle Can-Am exhaust installed by the dealer.. Really not happy with the update cause of these factors,, I owe you the miles per gallon but its not going to be good I'm in the process of doing that now, just need to put a some miles on the spyder.
Thanks Lamonster
Joe

 

[BajaRon]

Like others, I am surprised at how many are not happy with this update. I am very happy with mine.

I have a free flow air filter and a Yohimura exhaust with the JB. I think I was running a bit rich and after the update I seem to be right on. Almost completely eliminated the popping I had before. Was running great before, is running even better now.

Don't know about mileage. I was getting 34~36 on premium fuel before.

It would be good if there were more votes as the count is a little low for an accurate statistical reading. Here is how the responses seem to break out so far.

Good - 11 - 34%
Some Good, Some Bad - 8 - 25%
Bad - 5 - 16%
No Difference - 8 - 25%

I separated the "Good" and the "No Difference" responses but they could both be combined since neither have any negatives. Same with the "Some Good, Some Bad" and "Bad" responses.

If we break it out into just 2 categories it would look like this.

Satisfied - 19 - 59%
Dissatisfied - 13 - 41%

Hey! Look at it this way....Better odds than Las Vegas and look how many people keep going back there! (Just trying to be positive )

 

[NancysToy]

Just voted, only 96 votes - :hun: where is everyone??

Some members here don't actually have Spyders, just considering them. Others of us have not had the recall update done.

 

[Rando]

I have had the recall done but haven't had enough time to take a good test ryde and check it out. The ryde home from the dealership was short and uneventful.

 

[effgjamis]

It surges quite a bit between 2500 and 3500 rpm , at all gears. When running 5000 + the surges seem to be very very weak and at time not noticeable at all.
I am not happy with the upgrade and the dealer doesn't know how to resolve the surgeing..
Does this mean I need to buy a 3rd party component to fix the software update that the Manufacture provided??
I would think not...

 

[Jeaux]

I also am experiencing the surging problem at lower steady speeds......., but it levels out at higher RPM's...........(Interstate speeds)
Don't now and have never had any backfiring problem either before or after the upgrade.........
Steering is noticeably better (smoother) after the upgrade, and overall I'm pretty happy with it.
I expect BRP to come up with a fix for the surging problem, when there's enough noise made about it.............. Until then, I can deal with it.......

 

[bjt]

I'm noticing a slight hesitation and like a engine skip (cough) not all the time :ani29:

I'm probably close to the same as roaddog. I voted that it seems to be running better because, for the most part, it is. Just slight hesitations occasionally and an occasional bit of a dead spot at certain times, almost like the throttle is closing. Never has stalled and I do get probably a few MPG better than I was getting. (I was hoping for the 7 to 10 MPG improvement that some have mentioned but no. ) It definitely runs better at cold start than it did before.

 

[NEXUS]

Trojan Horse

To start with I have nearly 11,000 miles on my Spyder and have had it sense
11/07 without any major problems except the brake squeal and overheating
which disappeared when I remove the oversize air box. Sometimes you only
hear or read only the negative because jest like everything else nobody
comments when things are going good or positive and if I had the chance to
do it over again I would buy a Spyder again.


Now having said that lets get down to the reason why I am posting this.

I recently had the Steering recall done when I went to my dealer who had sold
me my Spyder originally and explained what I had read about some people
having problems with engine running lean after the download up date.
He had not heard of the problems and did not believe that they were related.

Well after 21/2 hours and three computers later the teck finally got it to
communicate to the BUDS software the download only took a few minutes and
after we put everything back together (had valves checked) took it for a test run
and guess what, it started back firing when you let off the throttle almost like
machine gun fire.I could not tell any difference in the steering nor did the Teck
who also test drove it before and after the download but could tell a major
difference in the performance of the engine.

I do not have the stock muffler I have Duals and my O2 sencer have been replaced
with evoluzione O2 modifier also I have done the evoluzione race airflow system
and fuel pressure modifier. So I was a little surprised when this happened

the Teck call some one with BRP Teck support and tried to find a fix to the problem
they calmed that is was not related to the download to the steering. We both knew
that was Bull so we disconnected the battery for 5 minutes and took it out again for
a test run and the problem disappeared he hooked the BUDS software back to
the Spyder and had a fault code with the fuel system he said the same fault code
that showed up before he downloaded the steering update.

This past weekend the wife and I were riding behind ncspyderwomen Spyder
who has the exact same backfiring problem after she had the steering update
done also when she stopped in traffic it overheated and went into limp mode.
She has not had any problems until the download and she has 14,000 mile
on hers.She does not have the stock muffler.

If I could do it over I would not have had the update done because it updated
more than jest the steering problem and no one knew if you did not have the
stock muffler is could mess up the O2 fuel mixture enough so the after market
mufflers were causing the engine to run lean.

Its a little like a Trojan horse their was more to it than what was on the out
side it should have come with a warning to owners with after market Exhaust
systems beware of problems.

Nexus

 

[bjt]

Some members here don't actually have Spyders, just considering them. Others of us have not had the recall update done.

Adding to what Scotty said, many others only read and don't reply or only read certain posts. To get close to 100% participation, lamonster would have to make this poll pop up on everyone opening up a SpyderLovers page and not allow them to go any farther until they answered. Then somehow track that they did participate so it wouldn't hold them up again and also prevent them from "stuffing the box" with multiple answers. It's just an informal poll so I doubt he would take the time to take it to this extreme.

 

[Dudley]

After seeing a few posts on mods people had before the update, I forgot to mention that we have NO mechanical or electrical mods. The Spyder was running flawlessly until the update. Would I get the update, knowing what I know now??? NEVER!

 

[Just Doo Me]

Friday I picked mine up after the recall update and 10000km service [valves checked] and drove 60 miles home without a noticeable difference.Sunday went for a 300 miler and noticed a improvement in the steering effort on the long sweeping curves also seemed to be better on fuel.About 200 miles in and slowing down passing through a small town I started to get the studder and stumble so many have commented about,very hot humid day.I have the Hindle and freer flow filter.Like many it seems fine at higher speeds and rpm.I thought maybe it was just gas related problem with ethanol so many in the U.S. are being introduced to at improper ratio's,but up here we have had it for a number of years with no problems in running it in my sleds.BRP i'm sure will be looking at another fuel mapping update like they have in my Ski-doo at least 4 times.I will be re-installing my Juicebox that I had removed for the update and dial it in to address the lean spots.

 

[NancysToy]

I am not so convinced that this was a fuel mapping issue. If the update electronically affected either the purge valve (solenoid) or the idle valve (solenoid), rough running could easily occur under the newly programmed conditions. Don't know why they would change the programming for these coming on and off, but it's possible. It especially makes sense for Spyders that run poorly only when the temp hits five bars and the fan comes on. I also don't know why folks are seeing delayed reactions and intermittent problems, and some folks have the problem and some do not. Also, why some stock bikes, and others with varying mods to the intake, exhaust, or fuel management systems, but no apparent rhyme or reason to which do and which don't? There's more to this issue than meets the eye, that's for sure. I think we will all have to stay tuned for an answer.

 

[Donk45]

For all those out there with hindles or after-market pipes...disconnect your battery for a while and then plug back in and idle for 15 minutes...see if that changes anything for you...

I think Lamonster debunked this in another thread...right?

 

[GaryTheBadger]

I just sent the following email to [email protected]

Hello,

I had the BRP steering recall performed on Aug 7 at an authorized dealership and ever since, my Spyder Roadster has a "hesitation" in the mid-RPM range. It is very consistent and noticible, as though its being starved for fuel or spark.

The bike is an all-stock 2008 SE5 with 3500 miles on it. I would appreciate your prompt recommedation for a fix, as I have stopped riding the bike it this time. Should I return to my dealer to have the old software re-installed?


Thank you.
[name, phone, location, VIN]

 

[beka]

Steering is much better. It ran pretty rough for the first couple of rides after the update and even stalled on me once, but it's running just fine at this point. I'd say it was back to normal after about 100-150 miles or so. I have the ESI filter and a Hindle.

 

[QuadManiac]

Better gas mileage from my stock engine. All other running issues - no noticeable change, everything is fine.

 

[Smylinacha]

So everyone is commenting on that their bikes are stuttering or backfiring - some don't really think it's that bad, some are very unhappy. Now when I put the two bros exhaust on mine last summer and rode it for the first time it was our company motorcycle ride on a very wet, hot & humid day - sounded like continuous firecrackers. We got the 02 sensor from Ken and it improved. It even ran awsome on dry cooler days. So I got the update and rode it about 150 miles yesterday and it still backfires but I attributed it to finally summer being here - it was very humid and in the high 90's. The steering was better and it shifted better (HDX says shifting is due to Redline oil since I have a SM5).

So it seems to me this update is causing all the Spyders to run lean. My question is WHY would they include this in an update an not tell us about it and also WHY would they want them to run leaner anyway???:hun:

 

[fred]

its Monday... just got off the phone with the dealer.. BRP's recommendation today... replace the evap cannister... i reminded them that they had already done this ...

they said they would call me back
maybe we need to start flooding the tech email box with email:gaah:
i'd like my Spyder back the way it was

 

[Kjen]

Pardon my simple mind but couldn't one UNdo the update? I mean you delete and such on computers everyday.
I know nothing about all the things that go on in the workings so don't ya'll all bite my head off with sarcasm please.

 

[kman]

I just talked to my dealer and told him my problem with the backfiring so he called BRP.He called me back and said they are aware of the problem
and that they did lean out the fuel mapping to obtain better gas milelage.
he said they were in a meeting about the "fix right now.