Lew L
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Glad you said "most". I keep a V-max around for just a little excitement. At 70 yrs old---- V-boost is a real kick.
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1330 Performance Upgrades
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Glad you said "most". I keep a V-max around for just a little excitement. At 70 yrs old---- V-boost is a real kick.
Lew L
Poseidon
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Thank you so very much for your extremely useful post! It has helped me so much with my question!!!
I have googled it. There is nothing out there. That is why I posted my question here. I thought if any would know, it would be the members here...
If u want two folow me arround corecting mi speling, punktuation, n gramar, u r goin too b verry bussy! :thumbup:
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blacklightning
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:clap::roflblack:U R Krazy:2thumbs:
Poseidon
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I wouldn't mind a bit more power. I ride two up with a trailer and it struggles with headwinds and hills.
Spyder's niche market is big enough without going after the nut-jobs.
Poseidon
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You are obviously not familiar with corporate America. Before you point it out, I know BRP is a Canadian company. I really don't think any big corporation has said "we are big enough, we don't need anymore customers"... EVER!!!!
I cannot imagine that BRP's plan is to NOT grow their market. That's how they satisfy their investors. That's how business works. That's how everything works. When it doesn't grow it's either a sign that somethings wrong, end of product life, or market saturation. Two things we can all agree on: The Spyder market is NOT saturated AND it's definitely NOT an obsolete product!
Caution & risk (liability): I suspect that's what is holding them back.... They're taking "baby steps." Allowing drivers to disable the nanny's anti-slip was one of them. Unfortunately in an SE (mine anyways) doing so makes very little (if any) difference with good sticky tires. I still don't know why it's not possible to change sprockets. Seems like everything else is reporting back via wheel spin speeds. All that would sacrifice is a touch of top end. And for those of us who don't care about going 120 (let alone 90 - not in this for tickets lol/col.)......
FWIW: Gearing change (sprockets) seems plausible regardless of any associated "fly by wire" control system issues. ~ Because the aftermarket companies are now beginning to remap the ECM's.
Caution & risk (liability): I suspect that's what is holding them back.... They're taking "baby steps." Allowing drivers to disable the nanny's anti-slip was one of them. Unfortunately in an SE (mine anyways) doing so makes very little (if any) difference with good sticky tires. I still don't know why it's not possible to change sprockets. Seems like everything else is reporting back via wheel spin speeds. All that would sacrifice is a touch of top end. And for those of us who don't care about going 120 (let alone 90 - not in this for tickets lol/col.)......
FWIW: Gearing change (sprockets) seems plausible regardless of any associated "fly by wire" control system issues. ~ Because the aftermarket companies are now beginning to remap the ECM's.
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I wouldn't mind a bit more power. I ride two up with a trailer and it struggles with headwinds and hills.
These are two VERY good reasons of why the 1330 RT's could and should have the option of using the 89 tooth rear sprocket. So far, and as far as I know, No one has been successful with this change. I read only one post where one RT owner tried making it work without success. This individual was going to give this a second trail but they would never answer my PM's. Go here and read posts by GM=tech and others. http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?76257-F3-89-tooth-rear-sprocket/page2)
(I have been in contact with both of the ECM tuners and they both would like to get this working. I am willing to buy the parts and put the time and effort in this fix over the winter months and hopefully get it working. It would be really nice if BRP would step up with a belt, pulley kit and a reflash that would allow this to happen. Hopefully the aftermarket can crack this nut. I think this would be a very popular option for the RT's owners riding 2 up, pulling a trailer and riding mountain twisty roads. larryd
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Poseidon
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I wonder if BUDS MegaTech will allow the changes and / or disabling the Nanny? I know it allows it on the off road side with ATVs and SxSs.
http://www.brpdiagnostics.com/brpbudsmegatechlicencekey/
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Dennis in Lodi
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I learned From Monster fuel one way to get around the gearing change the nanny won't allow. Something about splicing the sensor cable from the rear tire and tying it in with a front wheel sensor. They were doing this to be able to run the bike on a Dyno. This would tell the ECU all three tires are spinning equal and allow any gearing change. The fuel mapping is identical for the 89 or the 79 tooth sprocket but you would lose traction control and abs for the rear wheel as it is blinded. Only a theory I was told, but it makes sense??
Right now Monster fuel has a Daytona test bike and is working on a complete package turbo kit. Basically taking parts off of other BRP product lines and fitting them to the Can-Am. I was told that their ECU flashes which are netting about 25 ponies aren't really selling as hoped for. This is having a domino effect on funding for the turbo project. Seems Can-Am owners talk the performance talk but don't walk the performance walk even though there are 25 ponies for $350 with the ECU flash.
Just in case people have missed it, here is a video of my test RT going from 0 to 68 mph, laying down about 25' of rubber in under 6 seconds. A Stock RT is only going 50 mph in the same time and distance. My NEW F3L hauls but with the flash but it took an exhaust change to get the results.
https://monsterfuelinjection.com/spyder/
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trikermutha
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I am not spending $350 for only 25 ponies. I think most are fine just the way the Spyder is for now. JMO :shocked:
Now change the pricing and MAYBE you will get more people to take the Pony plunge .
Now change the pricing and MAYBE you will get more people to take the Pony plunge .
$350.00 for 25 HP is a bargain compared to anything else in today's market...I'll be going with this ECM update, and hopefully the 89 T. rear sprocket by spring...
Thank You Dennis for the updated info...
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ThreeWheels
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I have to say, at least from my point of view, my RT has plenty of performance.
I'm more into touring. My farkles include more lights and the sound system.
If my RT accelerated to 60 MPH 3 seconds faster, that means I get to work 3 seconds earlier.
I'm not passing judgement on those that want to hop up their Spyders.
I'm merely adding another point of view that might explain why there are so few performance upgrades available.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong. I'm sure someone on this forum will point out my error.
I'm more into touring. My farkles include more lights and the sound system.
If my RT accelerated to 60 MPH 3 seconds faster, that means I get to work 3 seconds earlier.
I'm not passing judgement on those that want to hop up their Spyders.
I'm merely adding another point of view that might explain why there are so few performance upgrades available.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong. I'm sure someone on this forum will point out my error.
Lew L
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$14 per horsepower ( if you REALLY can get 25 HP) is a really a good deal. Most other performance mods for the RT cost more and produce no power to speak of. I've hopped up every motor I've ever owned ( even the two snow blowers)
This may be nextnojoke
Lew L
Poseidon
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So, unless I'm not understanding your post correctly, splicing the sensors to allow a dyno run is just a theory. If that is the case, how do they know the flash is increasing hp and torque? One or the other has to be incorrect. Either they know how and have had it on the dyno, or they don't know how much gains to expect. Maybe their butt dyno is more sensitive than mine.
blacklightning
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I am always looking for more power. And adding 20%+ more horsepower to a $25k+ machine for only $350 is a real bargain (If the gains are true). I come from (and still am) the ford performance family (numerous mustangs, including my roush and my ford lightning), and there are no gains to be had in that way (percentage wise), without going to nitrous. Which, is the one thing that I have never heard anyone mention in the spyder world.
So, has anyone ever installed nitrous to to their spyder? I would really like to read their post:yes:
trikermutha
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Since some of you think its a bargain why not jump on this great deal and performance upgrade then:dontknow:
blacklightning
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Even a bargain is only a bargain when it has been tried and proven. I am never one to have to (or want to) be the first guy on the block to try something.
That seems to be the norm around here. That is why you have people paying $30k+ for a spyder that I will pick up in 4-5 months from a dealer for $24k or less. I am patient and will wait until something is proven, or a bargain, and then spend my money.
But to each their own.
jaherbst
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I think Ann has spoken for all of us. You might be hanging out with the wrong crowd if all your concerned with is power upgrades, turbo's, wheelie's, racing
and lack of Libido! The Harley crowd may be more to your liking. I went through that phase of my life from 1951 till 2008. (and enjoyed every minute of it)
Jack
PS Get a Can AM Maverick with a Turbo. I have one and get rid of those feeling with it. You will be off-road and not endangering any one except yourself and the Squirrels! :joke:
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