BRP Oil - Summer vs Winter

[DragonSpyder]

BRP now has semi-synthetic for the summer and full-synthetic for the winter. I did not see a weight listed on either can which is strange. Even though it is summer I opted for the winter stuff due to it being synthetic. Did I make a mistake? Does anyone know the weight of the oil or know if it is OK to run in the summer?

 

[Firefly]

Are you sure the winter is full-syn?

I refuse to use either 'winter' or 'summer' as they don't list the weights and BRP has still not answered any of us telling us this new 'oil' is now okay for use in the Spyder.

You can buy the original BRP Full Synthetic (XPS -BRP Synthetic 4-Stroke Oil 5w-40 293600039) Here:

http://www.neversatisfiedmotorsport..._id=84&zenid=71deeece7fe07bfe59a45900ed615220


$ 6.99 per quart. This is what the manual says to use - so that is what I'm using.

 

[Tom in NM]

BRP now has semi-synthetic for the summer and full-synthetic for the winter. I did not see a weight listed on either can which is strange. Even though it is summer I opted for the winter stuff due to it being synthetic. Did I make a mistake? Does anyone know the weight of the oil or know if it is OK to run in the summer?

My opinion, it is fine to run the "Winter" oil in the summer - especially since it is a synthetic. I think I read somewhere that they are also calling the Winter an "All Season" or "Year Around" oil.

Tom
I think, therefore I am (often wrong).

 

[DragonSpyder]

The winter bottle says "Full Synthetic". Maybe it is the same 5w-40 they used to sell.

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

OIL

Are you sure the winter is full-syn?

I refuse to use either 'winter' or 'summer' as they don't list the weights and BRP has still not answered any of us telling us this new 'oil' is now okay for use in the Spyder.

:agree: Why would any oil not have the product info avaliable to the customer. I would never think of putting oil in any of my engines without knowing what it was.:lecturef_smilie:

Michael:doorag:

 

[NancysToy]

I refuse to use either 'winter' or 'summer' as they don't list the weights and BRP has still not answered any of us telling us this new 'oil' is now okay for use in the Spyder.

:agree: Why would any oil not have the product info avaliable to the customer. I would never think of putting oil in any of my engines without knowing what it was.:lecturef_smilie:

Michael:doorag:

+1 Also, why would any manufacturer continue to ignore cries for a service bulletin relating to the fact that their own new oil does not meet their own spec? BRP has had plenty of time to respond to this, yet merely has released a PR type of dealer promo letter. Something is fishy here!

 

[BRPjunkie]

BRP is really muddying the oil issues. The new summer weight is a blend, yet the winter weight says it is full synthetic. Summer weight shows up on Sea Doo sites and winter weight shows up on Ski Doo sites. Neither has any viscosity values. Maybe BRP was being ultra cautious with Spyder when they went with syn standard and realized that few would be riding Spyder in sub zero weather and that 10W-40 blend would be fine. It still should be explained to dealers and owners with a written service bulletin and not just word of mouth.

 

[spyryder]

Summer blend is 5w-40, and winter is full synthetic 0w-40 as noted in Trickie Dick's post #55 in the Royal Purple thread:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10007&page=2

 

[DragonSpyder]

I guess I will try and take it back. Still very confused as what to use now. Thinking Mobile1, Amsoil, or Golden Spectro might be good choices. However, they do not make a 5W40........

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

OIL

Summer blend is 5w-40, and winter is full synthetic 0w-40 as noted in Trickie Dick's post #55 in the Royal Purple thread:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10007&page=2

I have never heard of a Motorcycle oil that was a 5w40 let alone 0W40.
Obviously it probably doesn't carry a motorcycle certification. BRP is very strange when it comes to their oil and info about it.

 

[Firefly]

It has been rumored that the 5W40 BRP oil is actually Castrol Syntec 5W-40----- which would make sense.

Why is BRP allowing marketing to dictate what is best for our equipment?

 

[BRPjunkie]

It has been rumored that the 5W40 BRP oil is actually Castrol Syntec 5W-40----- which would make sense.

Why is BRP allowing marketing to dictate what is best for our equipment?

I think the Castrol Syntec 5W-40 is their auto formula and the Castrol RS R4 is the motorcycle 5W-40 formula. Not sure what the difference is, but the RS R4 is cycle rated.

 

[DragonSpyder]

Thanks to Firefly I have enough oil coming to do my next to oil changes and I saved a bit of $. I figure you can't go wrong when that is what is called for in the manual. Thanks everyone for your input and a special thanks to Firefly for the link.

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

OIL

I think the Castrol Syntec 5W-40 is their auto formula and the Castrol RS R4 is the motorcycle 5W-40 formula. Not sure what the difference is, but the RS R4 is cycle rated.

If the Castrol RS R4 is certified for Motorcycle use (JASO-MA). Then it is good to go. This would be the first certified motorcycle oil I've seen that was a 5W40. I'm not saying that is improbable; just unusual for a motorcycle. IMHOnojoke

Michael:doorag:

 

[Trickie Dick]

I re read the 4 page correspondence faxed to the dealer on 7/27/09. It does say the semi-synthetic oil is 5w30 and is listed as a 3 season oil. Spring, summer and fall. It is in a black bottle. The yellow bottled full synthetic is listed as 0w40 grade is said to be a winter oil or year round. Again, it goes on to say it will be marketed using the terms as summer grade or winter grade/all-climate grade.
:dontknow:
Dick

 

[BRPjunkie]

If the Castrol RS R4 is certified for Motorcycle use (JASO-MA). Then it is good to go. This would be the first certified motorcycle oil I've seen that was a 5W40. I'm not saying that is improbable; just unusual for a motorcycle. IMHOnojoke

Michael:doorag:

It is 5W-40, API SL, JASO MA2 and designated for high performance motorcycles. Check out the Castrol motorcycle oil brochure at www.proformanceusa.com

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

OIL

I re read the 4 page correspondence faxed to the dealer on 7/27/09. It does say the semi-synthetic oil is 5w30 and is listed as a 3 season oil. Spring, summer and fall. It is in a black bottle. The yellow bottled full synthetic is listed as 0w40 grade is said to be a winter oil or year round. Again, it goes on to say it will be marketed using the terms as summer grade or winter grade/all-climate grade.
:dontknow:
Dick

I think I'll just stick with my 10W40 "Mobil 1" Motorcycle oil:f_spider:

Michael:doorag:

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

OIL

It is 5W-40, API SL, JASO MA2 and designated for high performance motorcycles. Check out the Castrol motorcycle oil brochure at www.proformanceusa.com

The key element here is "JASO MA2"- Should be good. I just don't personally like the 5W40, eventhough BRP specs it. I think for BRP it is one oil for everything, snowmobiles, watercraft, spyders or whatever, all over the world and any climate.
I think for my riding climate and given the fact I am much more concerned with the heat effects on engines than I am with the cold flow rate of oil, I will continue to use a 10W40 full synthetic.:f_spider:

Michael:doorag:

 

[SPYDERPOPS]

I have been running the summer blend for 8000 miles now and have found it to shift a whole bunch smoother without the clutch and this is a very big difference from the full synthetic. Who knows, there may be a seal or bearing that needs the blend for higher heat situations to prevent premature wear or failure.

Using a 10-40 for cold starts in any climate is too high of a viscosity for such a small engine. It's harder on the pump to get the oil circulating in time to provide protection during the most critical time for an engine, start up!

I don't know why BRP didn't test this oil before they recommended it? :hun:

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

OIL

I have been running the summer blend for 8000 miles now and have found it to shift a whole bunch smoother without the clutch and this is a very big difference from the full synthetic. Who knows, there may be a seal or bearing that needs the blend for higher heat situations to prevent premature wear or failure.

Using a 10-40 for cold starts in any climate is too high of a viscosity for such a small engine. It's harder on the pump to get the oil circulating in time to provide protection during the most critical time for an engine, start up!

I don't know why BRP didn't test this oil before they recommended it? :hun:

:hun: