What Mileage Are you Changing Your Oil?

[PaladinLV]

After the first change, every 9,000 or one year which ever comes first as specified by BRP.

AJ

Have 3,200 miles on the oil change done by the dealer. I have to admit, always changed oil at 3,000 miles be it car or bike. With synthetic, let my wife's car go to 6,000 miles.

I am not willing to let the BRP oil go as long as the manual recommends, especially since it is a synthetic blend, not full synthetic. I plan on using this oil https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-Powe...008MISDH4/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Have used Castrol my whole life and not about to change. For those with the BRP oil, how many miles are you going between changes?

For those using synthetic (any brand) how long are you going between changes?

Do not want this to turn into an oil thread, just want to know what mileage you all feel comfortable with changing the oil at. I know a few of you have had oil testing done and that information would be helpful with determining when to change.

Thank You, Louie and Meg

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OIL TESTS WHO & WHAT OIL

OK. Now THAT is another case. Any idea who those are so I can check with them what oil they use and maybe avoid it? Or do you know if the BRP oil is what is broken down? If it is, I'm definitely not using that oil and if I change the oil, I'm changing the filter since I am already there.

Not something I committed to memory , I'm pretty sure JC Thorne has done His a few times...He uses Rotella T-6 .....All the people who had the testing done were using Full Synthetic of different brands ..... ( from my memory ) even those had viscosity break-down at 4 to 5,000 miles .............have you tried the Search function ???? .... Mike

 

[DGoebel]

I've done Blackstone Labs testing on my 998 with the BRP XPS oil and they (Blackstone) tells me to change at 3000 miles even with their TBN testing.
I've switched to full Synthetic and will be testing again at 3000 miles.

 

[jcthorne]

If my lab test says that 10k is going to work, why change at 5k and spend twice the money and time? Good oil and filters aren't given away free and why waste my time doing it, clean up and disposal of oil?

Have not seen one single used oil analysis that shows a spyder with 10k on the oil was good. So far, none have made it past 5k. The trans and clutch shear the oil too severely for even the best synthetics to hold up that long.

 

[aklim]

Have not seen one single used oil analysis that shows a spyder with 10k on the oil was good. So far, none have made it past 5k. The trans and clutch shear the oil too severely for even the best synthetics to hold up that long.

THAT IS going to be a problem. Makes me wonder how they came up with the 9300 number

 

[classicvw]

THAT IS going to be a problem. Makes me wonder how they came up with the 9300 number

I'm sure they designed, built, and tested their engines thoroughly as every manufacturer does. If they were THAT FAR off- 9300 when it should have been 5000, not only would they be the most incompetent fools ever to build a vehicle, most everyone that has been sticking to the 9300 interval would have had an engine failure. That's just not happening.

I'll say it again- the guys that designed and built our engines know best. Why would they exaggerate how long you should go between oil changes and risk thousands of warranty claims or complaints?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

ENGINE & TRANSMISSION LIFE VS. OIL CHANGES

I'm sure they designed, built, and tested their engines thoroughly as every manufacturer does. If they were THAT FAR off- 9300 when it should have been 5000, not only would they be the most incompetent fools ever to build a vehicle, most everyone that has been sticking to the 9300 interval would have had an engine failure. That's just not happening.

I'll say it again- the guys that designed and built our engines know best. Why would they exaggerate how long you should go between oil changes and risk thousands of warranty claims or complaints?

I think, the bean counters at BRP asked the engineers what were the odds of the engine or transmission in the 1330 Ace package Failing BEFORE THE WARRANTY EXPIRED ..... if the " change oil & filter " intervals were extended ....... answer , maybe .02 %, but probably lower than that number. So BRP is not concerned about failures below 50,000 miles ...... after that it will the owners problem..... And this is not uncommon LOGIC in the AUTO industry. The manufactures cover their Butts yours not so much..... That's why I use Full Synthetic and change 5,000 mi. or less ....... Mike :thumbup:

 

[aklim]

I'm sure they designed, built, and tested their engines thoroughly as every manufacturer does. If they were THAT FAR off- 9300 when it should have been 5000, not only would they be the most incompetent fools ever to build a vehicle, most everyone that has been sticking to the 9300 interval would have had an engine failure. That's just not happening.

I'll say it again- the guys that designed and built our engines know best. Why would they exaggerate how long you should go between oil changes and risk thousands of warranty claims or complaints?

Warranty is good for 2 years. BEST goes to 5. Say you ride it 20K to 30K and trade it in, that becomes Somebody Else's Problem. Under SEP Principle, if you have a problem and no BEST, it is your problem. If you have a problem, they are already covered. One or two or even 5 oil changes aren't going to cause a problem to rear it's ugly head.

Why exaggerate? I have talked to quite a few salesmen. No boobs to attract me so they say "If you trade in your 990 Rotax for the 1330 ACE, your service intervals will be 9300 miles.". So to answer your question, "Selling Point". They forget to mention that you do it 1 year or 9300 miles, whichever comes first. They gave the impression that you can run for 9300 miles which might be 2 or 3 years for many riders. At $300 an oil change/service, you are saving money.

Signed
The Local Skeptic

 

[classicvw]

I think, the bean counters at BRP asked the engineers what were the odds of the engine or transmission in the 1330 Ace package Failing BEFORE THE WARRANTY EXPIRED ..... if the " change oil & filter " intervals were extended ....... answer , maybe .02 %, but probably lower than that number. So BRP is not concerned about failures below 50,000 miles ...... after that it will the owners problem..... And this is not uncommon LOGIC in the AUTO industry. The manufactures cover their Butts yours not so much..... That's why I use Full Synthetic and change 5,000 mi. or less ....... Mike :thumbup:

I see your point and that scenario may be true, but then all years and models would have been a gross exaggeration. I just don't see the 4600 mile figure to be such an exaggeration.

I don't believe all bean counters would be that short sighted. True, an out of warranty engine failure would mean a large $$$ service for the dealers way down the road, but I don't think BRP gives that much of a rat's ass for the dealers future service billing. AND, any engine failure out of warranty would certainly sour that owner on BRP and probably would sell his Spyder and bad-mouth BRP all over the internet. Too much of that type of bad publicity is bad for the company's bottom line, even if it became "somebody else's problem" as you put it. It would still bite BRP. No maker can survive if their vehicle's reliability reputation sinks to a certain low. See: Yugo

 

[aklim]

I see your point and that scenario may be true, but then all years and models would have been a gross exaggeration. I just don't see the 4600 mile figure to be such an exaggeration.

I don't believe all bean counters would be that short sighted. True, an out of warranty engine failure would mean a large $$$ service for the dealers way down the road, but I don't think BRP gives that much of a rat's ass for the dealers future service billing. AND, any engine failure out of warranty would certainly sour that owner on BRP and probably would sell his Spyder and bad-mouth BRP all over the internet. Too much of that type of bad publicity is bad for the company's bottom line, even if it became "somebody else's problem" as you put it. It would still bite BRP. No maker can survive if their vehicle's reliability reputation sinks to a certain low. See: Yugo

True but how many people do a breakdown analysis? Most drivers simply drop the car off, pick up when called and pay. Besides, this year, I get my bonus. By the time this comes back to bite me, I might be with another company. So if the odds are right, we're good. If the odds go against me, well, let it be whomever holds my position because that bonus check is cashed and spent.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OIL CHANGES

I see your point and that scenario may be true, but then all years and models would have been a gross exaggeration. I just don't see the 4600 mile figure to be such an exaggeration.

I don't believe all bean counters would be that short sighted. True, an out of warranty engine failure would mean a large $$$ service for the dealers way down the road, but I don't think BRP gives that much of a rat's ass for the dealers future service billing. AND, any engine failure out of warranty would certainly sour that owner on BRP and probably would sell his Spyder and bad-mouth BRP all over the internet. Too much of that type of bad publicity is bad for the company's bottom line, even if it became "somebody else's problem" as you put it. It would still bite BRP. No maker can survive if their vehicle's reliability reputation sinks to a certain low. See: Yugo

I've read some interesting articles about 1,000,000 + mile Volvos and Saab's .... and those owners ALWAYS changed their oils at half or better than the Mfg. recommended mileages ..... I guess they weren't trusting souls either.... This is my last Spyder and I'm looking to get 500,000 before I'm dead .... oil is pretty cheap insurance ...... jmho ...... Mike

 

[jcthorne]

I'm sure they designed, built, and tested their engines thoroughly as every manufacturer does. If they were THAT FAR off- 9300 when it should have been 5000, not only would they be the most incompetent fools ever to build a vehicle, most everyone that has been sticking to the 9300 interval would have had an engine failure. That's just not happening.

I'll say it again- the guys that designed and built our engines know best. Why would they exaggerate how long you should go between oil changes and risk thousands of warranty claims or complaints?

BRP does not have a financial interest in how long the engine lasts past its warranty period. The costs of maintenance were very much a complaint among owners before the 1330 so longer service intervals were a big selling point. Marketing and no financial reason not to extend....I will let you read the tea leaves here.

 

[classicvw]

BRP does not have a financial interest in how long the engine lasts past its warranty period.

If they want to keep selling them in the future they do.

 

[UtahPete]

Have your oil tested. The report may shock you. Especially on the 1330's.

1. What do you mean by having the oil tested?
2. By whom?
3. Why would it shock me?

 

[UtahPete]

BRP does not have a financial interest in how long the engine lasts past its warranty period. The costs of maintenance were very much a complaint among owners before the 1330 so longer service intervals were a big selling point. Marketing and no financial reason not to extend....I will let you read the tea leaves here.

That's kind of cynical, don't you think? Is it just BRP or is it all products made by any for-profit company? I don't understand where you're coming from.

 

[UtahPete]

I don't think it matters what oil you use as long as it is within spec. As to the interval, well, I would think that anything under 9300 is fair game if you want to protect the engine for AFTER the warranty. While I want to do that, I don't want to change every 3000 if it doesn't provide anything but mental satisfaction that you have been a good boy.

You have got to stop posting on threads I'm following ... that avatar pic is too much for my 70-year-old heart ... I've always wanted a Cobra

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

COBRA'S ....PLURAL

You have got to stop posting on threads I'm following ... that avatar pic is too much for my 70-year-old heart ... I've always wanted a Cobra

If you happen to come East , stop by and let you drive one of mine ..... I also have a copy of the Daytona Coupe ( that's the one that wupped Enzo's Ferrari's... 1-2 & 3 at Leman's ) ( Bob find a Pic and post it ....Thanks .... Mike :thumbup:

 

[UtahPete]

If you happen to come East , stop by and let you drive one of mine ..... I also have a copy of the Daytona Coupe ( that's the one that wupped Enzo's Ferrari's... 1-2 & 3 at Leman's ) ( Bob find a Pic and post it ....Thanks .... Mike :thumbup:

You got a deal!

 

[aklim]

If they want to keep selling them in the future they do.

Who is "they" and how far is "future"? If you were the exec and your bonus is based on this financial year and you might not be here in 5 years, WGAS? I have seen execs make a project and leave to another department or upwards. Afterwards, when the project goes south, it's "musical chairs" time and they are nowhere to be found.

If one guy cannot get it to last 9300 miles, probably his machine is toast. That said, if nobody can seem to get it to last, I kinda wonder.

 

[aklim]

That's kind of cynical, don't you think? Is it just BRP or is it all products made by any for-profit company? I don't understand where you're coming from.

Being the cynic I am, I'd say it is anything that is touched by a human.