ECU Flash---Who has ORDERED YET?

[Tango]

OK, dummy me, my question is, what is the point of this & what does it accomplish? This is a subject that I know absolutely nothing about, but would like to.

I would like to know also. :dontknow: Tom :spyder:

 

[Dennis in Lodi]

Look at Video of an RT flashed

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?106515-Monster-Fi-video-test-clips-RT-ecu

Gives you better two up passing power. More power for pulling a trailer.

I would like to know also. :dontknow: Tom :spyder:

 

[M109Dreamer]

I don't think that anybody is going to tell you what they tinkered with: they most likely wouldn't appreciate anyone following in their footsteps, without doing the hard work! nojoke

I understand they don't want to let the cat out of the bag, I guess what I am wondering is the flash bike specific taking into account the intake and exhaust (w/ or w/o cat bypass) or is it just a general flash. And if it is just a general flash, what are they changing with the ECU to make the power gains (not the details specifically)

You usually have to let them know if you have a free flowing exhaust, intake, fuel programmer so they can make the appropriate changes within the flash.

I ask because by just giving it a general ECU flash, without taking into account the intake, bypass, and or exhaust, the Spyder might not run as well before the flash and could actually decrease performance.

 

[Jase]

I understand they don't want to let the cat out of the bag, I guess what I am wondering is the flash bike specific taking into account the intake and exhaust (w/ or w/o cat bypass) or is it just a general flash. And if it is just a general flash, what are they changing with the ECU to make the power gains (not the details specifically)

You usually have to let them know if you have a free flowing exhaust, intake, fuel programmer so they can make the appropriate changes within the flash.

I ask because by just giving it a general ECU flash, without taking into account the intake, bypass, and or exhaust, the Spyder might not run as well before the flash and could actually decrease performance.

I ask all my customers to supply a list of mods that have been done to the spyder so i can adjust accordingly, we like to set our tunes around what your bike has so you can get the best out of the extra parts you have or intend to fit.

Thanks
Jase

 

[M109Dreamer]

I ask all my customers to supply a list of mods that have been done to the spyder so i can adjust accordingly, we like to set our tunes around what your bike has so you can get the best out of the extra parts you have or intend to fit.

Thanks
Jase

Thank you for the response. I was figuring that, but wanted to make sure.

Do you by chance have any numbers (averages) on the increase in HP, TQ, and MPG+/-?
I'm sure the numbers between the 1300 and 998 will be different but was curious as to the gains your seeing. I have a 998, 11 RTS

 

[Spyd_Piper]

I wouldn't give up just yet. There's a lot of tire kickin' going on; and remember, you just got here. As an older crowd, we've learned to be skeptical of 'too good to be true' sort of thing. Besides, it's prime riding season.

Question: Worse case scenario, what if an owner wants/needs to return the ECU to stock, for whatever reason; what's the cost to return it to stock?

Thanks!

3 easy ways.

Flash changes or to go back stock are all free. Send unit and get it returned. You pick / pay shipping options.
On top, Any dealer or person with BUDS can return back to stock. (by doing an update)
Another option is if we have any of our spare ecu's here, it can be sent and used if the situation is temporary or if its needed that no bike down time.

 

[Spyd_Piper]

I understand they don't want to let the cat out of the bag, I guess what I am wondering is the flash bike specific taking into account the intake and exhaust (w/ or w/o cat bypass) or is it just a general flash. And if it is just a general flash, what are they changing with the ECU to make the power gains (not the details specifically)

You usually have to let them know if you have a free flowing exhaust, intake, fuel programmer so they can make the appropriate changes within the flash.

I ask because by just giving it a general ECU flash, without taking into account the intake, bypass, and or exhaust, the Spyder might not run as well before the flash and could actually decrease performance.

Do you know of any aftermarket intake system available for any spyder?

The differences between stock, cat delete, free flow muffler. We have set the ecu up to accommodate all these scenarios with 1 mapping. The spyder back pressure changes within the stock rpm usable range are not all that drastic. The new usable rpm range is remapped. The system is very accurate on calculating airmass changes at wot. And of course, the closed loop systems where you ride.

You can feel free to use your combination of exhaust with our flash. We welcome anyone to put on an AFR gauge and play around with / without cat delete or free flow muffler.

For racing / offroad use - I would like to offer an intake or intake modification with a stage 2 flash in the future. This indeed would require specific setup / mapping.

 

[M109Dreamer]

Do you know of any aftermarket intake system available for any spyder?

The differences between stock, cat delete, free flow muffler. We have set the ecu up to accommodate all these scenarios with 1 mapping. The spyder back pressure changes within the stock rpm usable range are not all that drastic. The new usable rpm range is remapped. The system is very accurate on calculating airmass changes at wot. And of course, the closed loop systems where you ride.

You can feel free to use your combination of exhaust with our flash. We welcome anyone to put on an AFR gauge and play around with / without cat delete or free flow muffler.

For racing / offroad use - I would like to offer an intake or intake modification with a stage 2 flash in the future. This indeed would require specific setup / mapping.

The only 2 aftermarket air intakes that I know of are JT's and Kewl Metal, which a similar to each other.

 

[Spyd_Piper]

The only 2 aftermarket air intakes that I know of are JT's and Kewl Metal, which a similar to each other.

Ok, so just twin stuff.

Looks like Kewl Metal is no more or changed website / names etc.

The older spyders have different ecu. (998) And definitely need specific remaps if airbox removed or cat delete etc (or simply a fuel tuner)

Anything with electronic throttle (990 & 1330) have a new style ecu. Ecu uses way different tuning logic. And much much smarter.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

AIR INTAKE FOR 1330

Do you know of any aftermarket intake system available for any spyder?

The differences between stock, cat delete, free flow muffler. We have set the ecu up to accommodate all these scenarios with 1 mapping. The spyder back pressure changes within the stock rpm usable range are not all that drastic. The new usable rpm range is remapped. The system is very accurate on calculating airmass changes at wot. And of course, the closed loop systems where you ride.

You can feel free to use your combination of exhaust with our flash. We welcome anyone to put on an AFR gauge and play around with / without cat delete or free flow muffler.

For racing / offroad use - I would like to offer an intake or intake modification with a stage 2 flash in the future. This indeed would require specific setup / mapping.

, Two + years ago I removed the highly restrictive plastic one ( and rubber elbow ) on my 2014 RT ..... I then put a 3 inch metal tube ( a piece of propane cylinder, it's thick enough to weld brackets to ) thru the left side Panel.... It's a slip type connection to the piece attached to the Air Box .... This doesn't interfere with Frunk removal ( un-like the BRP - elbow )....... If you are considering an ECU flash, I would think this Mod would be a good idea..... show this post to Jase ...... Mike :thumbup:

 

[siny10309]

I have just built a wire harness (test bench harness) for one of my good friends (seadoo dealer)in Jersey, i will work with him to receive and remap ecus that get sent to us and he will also ship back (all done in us).
I am also finishing up a system so if a customer rides his spyder to him he can connect up to the bike and remap straight away with out having to remove the ecu, i do offer this service now with new zealand and australian customers that bring they're spyders to me have been doing this for many years.

Thanks
Jason

hi Jase, where in Jersey and when do you expect this to be available (the remapping done there)?

 

[Jase]

hi Jase, where in Jersey and when do you expect this to be available (the remapping done there)?

Hi
My friends workshop is in Egg Harbour township.
Im hoping to have Chris up and running with in the next month, so customers will be able to send ecu's to him or take their bike to him and he will remap straight away via Can over the diagnostic plug.
Thanks
Jason

 

[siny10309]

great, please let us know when available.

 

[Spyd_Piper]

With overnight shipping, Anywhere in North America can have ecu, out of bike, reprogrammed and back in bike in 3 days.

We provide maximum power that the 1330 is capable of in stock form.
We do not flash by canbus - and therefore is no trail or counts on any flashing. (by ecu, by dash or by boss web)

 

[SpyderCruiser]

With overnight shipping, Anywhere in North America can have ecu, out of bike, reprogrammed and back in bike in 3 days.

We provide maximum power that the 1330 is capable of in stock form.
We do not flash by canbus - and therefore is no trail or counts on any flashing. (by ecu, by dash or by boss web)

I must admit, very interested in having this done to our RTL. Since this is not done by canbus, does this mean you must remove the potting material from the ECU to directly flash a chip?

 

[Hypurone]

I must admit, very interested in having this done to our RTL. Since this is not done by canbus, does this mean you must remove the potting material from the ECU to directly flash a chip?

That is my take away from previous post information. This will also of course be a sign that the ECU was "messed with".... There doesn't seem to be any way around it. I was up for it until it came to light that both methods, Spyd_Piper and Jase's leave evidence and could void my warranty if an astute dealer or BRP rep were to go looking.... Bummer.

 

[Spyd_Piper]

I must admit, very interested in having this done to our RTL. Since this is not done by canbus, does this mean you must remove the potting material from the ECU to directly flash a chip?

ECU is not potted or encapsulated in any way. It is manufactured in 2 pieces with a case, and a header that connect to circuit board. Mated with a rubber gasket and 6 metal clips holding it.
Not sure what ecu the previous cutting and glueing comment was about. Other than an attempt to claim one way was better than other. Which it isn't.

There is only 2 ways to modify this ecu.
1 - Canbus - Through a program which handshakes and meets security that put the ecu into update mode and allow a new file to be installed. This can be counted and tracked. All right in the ecu. (And even dash)
2 - Putting the ecu brain (mcu) into update mode using a ground connection on the circuit board itself. No canbus program or security issues. No counting or tracking. But access into is needed.

The ecu was built (put together) as it was made. There is no difference the second time. (or any amount of times) There is nothing cut. Nothing glued. The same gasket is used. Or can be reapplied. And its the same as the original.

Whats easier for BRP - for dealer to remove and send ecu in for inspection - or to connect BUDS, download file and send for inspection? Or advanced dealers can inspect both file and physical ecu.
Regardless of that - all a dealer needs to do is drive a bike with Monster Fi programming and they know. No doubt about it. They are either thinking its engine work or something very different.

However, in either case of how its programmed. And the extent of end power result. If one is worried about warranty. Stay stock. Always assume that BRP can know. Modifying your cat or exhaust or ecu or adding a tuner or doing engine work (even airbox modifications) can all be grounds for a denial of some claim if the failure can be traced to any said modification.

 

[DriftersWay]

Is there a web site that has mailing instructions.
I would have to have this overnighted both ways.

Thanks

 

[Spyd_Piper]

Is there a web site that has mailing instructions.
I would have to have this overnighted both ways.

Thanks

Print flash form, send with ecu.

https://monsterfuelinjection.com/spyder/

 

[one2doo]

Had mine back for about a week now.

Wow:2thumbs::cheers::yes:. Thanks Monster Fuel Injection. Would do it again. Comes alive at 5k. Seems chrisper all around.