A few technical questions...

[SpyderSteveFL]

I'm almost at 300 miles and getting a better feel for the bike, controls, etc. I want to really get a good feel for stock before I change sway bars, springs, etc, etc. I've read the manual, etc. as well but have a few questions...

I've noticed on regular turns, if I take it at a moderate say 15 or so mph the VSS light flashes for a few seconds. I haven't seen it come on at any other time. Is this normal? I didn't feel like I was anywhere near a limit that would cause VSS to kick in?

On the adjustable rear suspension... If I start the bike and sit still the up/down button and corresponding bar graph on display seems to work and I think I hear the compressor, however while I am riding if I try to change it (press up or down once first) the bar graph just says Manual. According to the owners guide if this means there is a problem with the system. Is there an easy reason it would say manual while riding but work fine while parked?

Thanks!

 

[Bfromla]

15mph level curve should not see vss at all. Only time ive personally had vss was near flooded road my rear end wanted to fishtail hydroplane at 55mph. Know another spyder close by can test that curve out too?


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[SpyderAnn01]

I think the manual says that in order to be able to change the rear suspension the Spyder must be running and in gear. I do not get the Manual light if I try to change mine while riding. Also, I've never had the VSS light come on at those speeds.

 

[Brentc]

Trip back to dealer

Doesn't sound right. I think a trip back to the dealer to look into those. Possibly a loose connection somewhere. It doesn't sound as though your getting on it too much to cause the system to kick in for traction control, and I believe I have adjusted the suspension "on the fly" with no issue.

 

[SpyderSteveFL]

15mph level curve

Ok, but just to be clear I am talking a regular full turn, not a curvy road. At 15-20 mph it is a bit of a hard turn but nothing crazy.

Ann: Yes, has to be on and in gear. Works great at no speed but while riding says manual.

 

[billybovine]

Ok, but just to be clear I am talking a regular full turn, not a curvy road. At 15-20 mph it is a bit of a hard turn but nothing crazy.

Ann: Yes, has to be on and in gear. Works great at no speed but while riding says manual.

Regarding the VSS.
If the turn is not smooth it's likely your fault.
If it only happens in one direction. Steering angle sensor may need to be zeroed.
In any case when you bring it back for its first service. Make sure you tell the service people. Since they have to plug it into the computer anyway it only takes a couple more minutes to calibrate the sensors.

 

[Bfromla]

Ok, but just to be clear I am talking a regular full turn, not a curvy road. At 15-20 mph it is a bit of a hard turn but nothing crazy.

Ann: Yes, has to be on and in gear. Works great at no speed but while riding says manual.

Fyi many spyders have "Tamed the Dragon" deals gap with no reported problems so unless its your riding style¿ are you loaded lop sided or something? Too far back in seat it thinks you have a passenger?? Really this redneck dont know. But would like to test that curve myself just too see.


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[DrewNJ]

Are you braking in the turn or accelerating?

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[SpyderSteveFL]

Bfromla: It's not just one curve, I've seen it on a few different turns. Saw it yesterday when I was alone and didn't realize what it was and it happened today on another turn 2-up.

 

[SpyderSteveFL]

Are you braking in the turn or accelerating?

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Ummm, not sure, will have to pay more attention, probably a little of both as I get used to it.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

VSS

Are you braking in the turn or accelerating?

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:agree:................Plus just to be clear ......you should tell us what spyder you have and not make us guess.........Mike :welcome:

 

[SpyderSteveFL]

Oh c'mon Mike, don't you read minds anymore? Can't tell from the pic or profile? Or the fact that it's in RT forum. Created signature - just for you!

 

[Snowbelt Spyder]

Air Suspension

Hi Steve. I haven't been able to find any documentation for a time delay in the suspension system, nor do I know what the value is. BUT, last year when my compressor failed, it was plain that there is some kind of time delay after a startup before the MANUAL warning is enabled.

Since you have a new machine, there are about 3 problems that have been reported here over the years that have to do with dealer prep or factory assembly, that would activate the MANUAL warning.

The first is that the frame position sensor does not get connected. That's under the left side of the bike, above the belt. There's an arm that connects the sensor to the swing arm that gets left unconnected.

The second is that the rear suspension system was never activated in BUDS. According to my Green Manual, there's a page in BUDS where the dealer just checks it ON or OFF. I must qualify that by saying that's the way it is on a 2012, and BRP could have changed that, but it's worth checking on.

And third but less common is that the system needs calibrated. Also a BUDS operation.

I would suggest that you check for sure to see if your system is actually operating now. Raise the setting up or down and measure the change in height from the ground, or just watch your headlights go up or down as they shine against a wall. It might not be operating at all right now. Either way, when you get back to your dealer, you'll have a list of stuff for them to check on.

Looks like you've gotten plenty of input on the VSS.

 

[SpyderSteveFL]

Thanks Doug, I'm pretty sure it works at idle because I've heard the compressor and felt/saw the change in height. It's just when riding manual comes up. If it said Manual all the time I would assume its a fault like guide says but the fact that it works at idle is what makes me confused.

 

[Hokiev]

Rear Suspension

Thanks Doug, I'm pretty sure it works at idle because I've heard the compressor and felt/saw the change in height. It's just when riding manual comes up. If it said Manual all the time I would assume its a fault like guide says but the fact that it works at idle is what makes me confused.

I may be wrong but I thought the air suspension "automatically" adjusts on startup based on weight. Then if you change while riding you are "manually" overriding the auto adjustment.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

GUESSING

Oh c'mon Mike, don't you read minds anymore? Can't tell from the pic or profile? Or the fact that it's in RT forum. Created signature - just for you!

....:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:..........Here is a test, what are the first 3 letters of this word ASSume , I try to avoid doing this for at least this reason alone...............Also I ride mine like I stole it and it takes a lot to kick the VSS on.....so something is going on with yours.......Mike :thumbup:

 

[DrewNJ]

If your on the brakes or even coasting through your turns then work on your technique a bit. You really want to be on the throttle as you turn. Slow down before your turns, then accelerate through the turn. Different technique than a car.
Also, spyders don't like sharp turns accelerating hard from a dead stop.

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[Snowbelt Spyder]

Thanks Doug, I'm pretty sure it works at idle because I've heard the compressor and felt/saw the change in height. It's just when riding manual comes up. If it said Manual all the time I would assume its a fault like guide says but the fact that it works at idle is what makes me confused.

I may be wrong but I thought the air suspension "automatically" adjusts on startup based on weight. Then if you change while riding you are "manually" overriding the auto adjustment.

Makes me confused, too. MANUAL has always been a fault indication and not normal. When you adjust it while riding, you're simply setting a new auto setting and should see the bar graph go to the next mark. Hokiev, does yours do the same thing?

 

[Mazo EMS2]

Makes me confused, too. MANUAL has always been a fault indication. When you adjust it while riding, you're simply setting a new auto setting and should see the bar graph go to the next mark. Hokiev, does yours do the same thing?

My 2010 RT shows "manual" if I make an adjustment while moving. It works just fine, I can feel it working, but whether or not it's SUPPOSED to say "manual" while adjusting, appears to be the question.....I admit, I have not read the manual regarding this. I just figured that if I manually make an adjustment, it says manual to indicate that it's working properly. Hmmmm.....??

 

[happyspyder2039]

I'm almost at 300 miles and getting a better feel for the bike, controls, etc. I want to really get a good feel for stock before I change sway bars, springs, etc, etc. I've read the manual, etc. as well but have a few questions...

I've noticed on regular turns, if I take it at a moderate say 15 or so mph the VSS light flashes for a few seconds. I haven't seen it come on at any other time. Is this normal? I didn't feel like I was anywhere near a limit that would cause VSS to kick in?

On the adjustable rear suspension... If I start the bike and sit still the up/down button and corresponding bar graph on display seems to work and I think I hear the compressor, however while I am riding if I try to change it (press up or down once first) the bar graph just says Manual. According to the owners guide if this means there is a problem with the system. Is there an easy reason it would say manual while riding but work fine while parked?

Thanks!

You have a problem with air system. Should have bar on left side of screen when adjusting while riding or anytime. I would lift seat & check the schrader valve for leaking. Then add some air. After doing that go for a ride & see if Manuel disappears from screen. Although it will probably return once you shut off.