Harsh, nope just a reality of the forum of late. Those who try to push for a focus on the positive and trying to focus on positive fact based solutions tend to be a target of those who believe that that in some way infringes on their right to voice their negative opinions and complaints about the spyder and/or BRP.
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Harsh, nope just a reality of the forum of late. Those who try to push for a focus on the positive and trying to focus on positive fact based solutions tend to be a target of those who believe that that in some way infringes on their right to voice their negative opinions and complaints about the spyder and/or BRP.
Dudley
New member
:agree::agree::agree:
SpyderWolf
New member
:agree:
If we can work together as a collective team and attempt to figure out what Spyders are having problems it may be a big help. It could be just one batch that has a faulty part installed in it, but chances are there is a common denominator somewhere. Just like there may be a needle in the hay stack.
It would probably not be a good idea to begin posting VIN numbers of those Spyders that are having problems, but at a minimum the posts should contain basic things such as the year, model, mileage, and mods if any.
I know Lamont posted the sticky thread for people with continuing problems and how to report them. Perhaps if some of that same information was posted by those with these problems a thread may start to unravel that leads to the actual cause.
I am not trying to cause any more controversy, just trying to help figure things out as best we can in an attempt to get everyone back on the road safely.
If we can work together as a collective team and attempt to figure out what Spyders are having problems it may be a big help. It could be just one batch that has a faulty part installed in it, but chances are there is a common denominator somewhere. Just like there may be a needle in the hay stack.
It would probably not be a good idea to begin posting VIN numbers of those Spyders that are having problems, but at a minimum the posts should contain basic things such as the year, model, mileage, and mods if any.
I know Lamont posted the sticky thread for people with continuing problems and how to report them. Perhaps if some of that same information was posted by those with these problems a thread may start to unravel that leads to the actual cause.
I am not trying to cause any more controversy, just trying to help figure things out as best we can in an attempt to get everyone back on the road safely.
krb1945
New member
Like many...
I have now gone over all our spyders with a fine tooth comb. I corrected some hose rubbing issues, some heat retention insulation was added to the manifold and a hose or two was lengthened to put fuel fumes away from hot components. Our spyders are all doing great and we consider the above items just routine maintenance and normal improvement modifications.
By close inspection and some minor maintenance improvements or modifications we spyder riders will all have good experiences.
I have now gone over all our spyders with a fine tooth comb. I corrected some hose rubbing issues, some heat retention insulation was added to the manifold and a hose or two was lengthened to put fuel fumes away from hot components. Our spyders are all doing great and we consider the above items just routine maintenance and normal improvement modifications.
By close inspection and some minor maintenance improvements or modifications we spyder riders will all have good experiences.
I dont want any one to get the wrong impression from my last post. I absolutely love my :spyder2:. Out of all the bikes Ive ever owned me and the wife get more enjoyment from it than any other. It just upsets me to see so many things going wrong with so many spyders. Mine does not have many miles on it yet and im afraid that once it does the problems will begin. I just hope all these issues will get resolved because I plan on having mine for a long time. The last thing I want is for some of these issues to begin after my warranty runs out and I have to pay out of pocket for the repairs. But again, I love my spyder and I love this site! I have learned so much from all of you and am glad to be a part of such a great group of people.
BajaRon
Well-known member
I never want to give the impression that I intend to minimize any issue that a Spyder owner is having. Still, I think problems are greatly overblown here on this forum. Not in regards to the existence of real issues. But in regards to the statistical frequency of serious problems.
It's like the rear view mirrors that say; WARNING: Objects are closer than they appear
Maybe this forum should say; WARNING: Problems with Spyders are much less frequent than they appear
Tom in NM
New member
my 2⍧ (long version)
And . . . . how is it that Scotty can be right . . .
. . . . and HDXbones can be right . . . . .
. . . . at the same time?
I think it is because our community of SpyderLovers is made up of riders with experience levels unlike any other forum. We have lots of new riders - never been on a motor cycle. We have others that have rode for years. And we have members that KNOW motorcycles - and can build and restore them.
I agree with HDXBones, and I am sure Scotty does to; I want to hear it all and if there are problems out there, I will handle it, but I don't want it coming out of the blue if I can help it. But, for the new riders - this is shocking and unsettling. They don't have the years of experience and perspective to deal with problems. They don't have the abilities to deal with the mechanical issues of the bikes they ride.
In the old days, before the internet - you would be riding with and hanging out with the guys with experience and hear the stories and pick up tips and experience. You could also tell, being face to face, who was full of it and who you could get help from and trust. The majority of the new riders on this forum don't have that opportunity. When issues arise, no matter how serious, they tend to get overwhelmed and drown in an overload of opinion. It is hard to help a drowning person. And like Scotty, I hate to see people get pushed into uncertainty, fear, and panic.
So where is the balance? Well, for you new riders or those that are starting to feel uncertain about your Spyders - - - - PAY ATTENTION, READ IT ALL, DON'T PANIC. None of this is new, you will learn what is real and what is exaggerated. It takes time, but you can do it.
For those people who carry around baggage and want to open it for every passerby, fine. It is your opinion. We have heard it. You have made it clear. And, the more you go on about it, the less weight it carries. It is like listening to someone talk about their divorce day after day. It does not help (me) and it does not solve anything.
Probably most people who have read my postings, would put me in the "Cheerleader Section". Wrong, I have plenty of references that will swear that I am one of the most cold-hearted cynics they have ever met. I prefer, "realistic" and "pragmatic". But, I 100% agree with rleathen, I always try and focus on the solution. From the accounts of people who I judge as being reasonable and clear, BRP is working on this - hard. Solutions/fixes will be found. We can speculate, but the answers will have to come from BRP. And as HDXbones mentions, we need to stay focused on the issues and discuss them so they don't get put on the back-burner. Doing that and being focused and patient is what works and gets results in situations like this.
Tom
Me too.
And . . . . how is it that Scotty can be right . . .
I am really sorry to hear you feel that way. I hope, like after having an accident yourself, you find a way to get past it. I never thought I'd say this, but it is beginning to look like the best way to Spyder without worry is to stay the heck off the forums!Reports of problems are useful, the continual rehashing of them is not. Now we are scaring off formerly contented owners who have had no problems and are perfectly happy. What have we done! :yikes:
. . . . and HDXbones can be right . . . . .
. . . . at the same time?
I think it is because our community of SpyderLovers is made up of riders with experience levels unlike any other forum. We have lots of new riders - never been on a motor cycle. We have others that have rode for years. And we have members that KNOW motorcycles - and can build and restore them.
I agree with HDXBones, and I am sure Scotty does to; I want to hear it all and if there are problems out there, I will handle it, but I don't want it coming out of the blue if I can help it. But, for the new riders - this is shocking and unsettling. They don't have the years of experience and perspective to deal with problems. They don't have the abilities to deal with the mechanical issues of the bikes they ride.
In the old days, before the internet - you would be riding with and hanging out with the guys with experience and hear the stories and pick up tips and experience. You could also tell, being face to face, who was full of it and who you could get help from and trust. The majority of the new riders on this forum don't have that opportunity. When issues arise, no matter how serious, they tend to get overwhelmed and drown in an overload of opinion. It is hard to help a drowning person. And like Scotty, I hate to see people get pushed into uncertainty, fear, and panic.
So where is the balance? Well, for you new riders or those that are starting to feel uncertain about your Spyders - - - - PAY ATTENTION, READ IT ALL, DON'T PANIC. None of this is new, you will learn what is real and what is exaggerated. It takes time, but you can do it.
For those people who carry around baggage and want to open it for every passerby, fine. It is your opinion. We have heard it. You have made it clear. And, the more you go on about it, the less weight it carries. It is like listening to someone talk about their divorce day after day. It does not help (me) and it does not solve anything.
Probably most people who have read my postings, would put me in the "Cheerleader Section". Wrong, I have plenty of references that will swear that I am one of the most cold-hearted cynics they have ever met. I prefer, "realistic" and "pragmatic". But, I 100% agree with rleathen, I always try and focus on the solution. From the accounts of people who I judge as being reasonable and clear, BRP is working on this - hard. Solutions/fixes will be found. We can speculate, but the answers will have to come from BRP. And as HDXbones mentions, we need to stay focused on the issues and discuss them so they don't get put on the back-burner. Doing that and being focused and patient is what works and gets results in situations like this.
Tom
SpyderWolf
New member
:agree: Very nicely stated. :2thumbs:
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
It's not, just ask my wife!
Seriously, I am as grateful as anyone to learn of possible difficulties via the forums. It is when these problems get continually rehashed by the same individuals, sometimes every few minutes, and when people without problems start to sell their Spyders, decide not to buy, or get paranoid every time they ride, that I begin to worry. Right now I see the death of the Spyder on the horizon, and the over-reaction to stated problems is likely to be the reason. This troubles me no end. I cannot stop this from happening, and I refuse to be castrated for my views, as has been suggested.
I guess the only good answer is to leave the forums. I refuse to be associated with the possible demise of this splendid machine. It has been fun. I will miss you all. Goodbye!
Spyderjuice
Member
It's not, just ask my wife!
Seriously, I am as grateful as anyone to learn of possible difficulties via the forums. It is when these problems get continually rehashed by the same individuals, sometimes every few minutes, and when people without problems start to sell their Spyders, decide not to buy, or get paranoid every time they ride, that I begin to worry. Right now I see the death of the Spyder on the horizon, and the over-reaction to stated problems is likely to be the reason. This troubles me no end. I cannot stop this from happening, and I refuse to be castrated for my views, as has been suggested.
It has been fun. I will miss you all. Goodbye!
I agree with you Scotty, but don't leave. I've learned a lot from reading your posts along with Lamont and a couple of others. If your name appears on a post I make a point of reading it. Always right on and not stiring the pot so to speak. Comon sense. So again, don't leave...
Juice (Stan)
Smylinacha
Yellinacha
Come on dude, bring the football back - this is a forum (doesn't forum mean :chat:?) - I think it's good we all talk about stuff. Your expertise on machines is INVALUABLE here along with other fellow gear heads. Some people are gonna panic, some will get p*ssed (like me but I'm holding out hope :2thumbs
and some will continue to ask questions. It's a friggin melting pot in here. Not everyone thinks along the same lines - that is what makes this place so interesting:thumbup:
Sure there's alot of different opinions and speculation going on but I learn from everyone every day. If it's not one thing, it's another and it's the same way in life off the internet. There will be days where you can't or don't wanna swallow that pill and days it goes down so good, you don't even need water.
and some will continue to ask questions. It's a friggin melting pot in here. Not everyone thinks along the same lines - that is what makes this place so interesting:thumbup:Sure there's alot of different opinions and speculation going on but I learn from everyone every day. If it's not one thing, it's another and it's the same way in life off the internet. There will be days where you can't or don't wanna swallow that pill and days it goes down so good, you don't even need water.
It's not, just ask my wife!
Seriously, I am as grateful as anyone to learn of possible difficulties via the forums. It is when these problems get continually rehashed by the same individuals, sometimes every few minutes, and when people without problems start to sell their Spyders, decide not to buy, or get paranoid every time they ride, that I begin to worry. Right now I see the death of the Spyder on the horizon, and the over-reaction to stated problems is likely to be the reason. This troubles me no end. I cannot stop this from happening, and I refuse to be castrated for my views, as has been suggested.
It has been fun. I will miss you all. Goodbye!
mike3069
New member
My opinion:
This should be "Required Reading" before being allowed access to the forums.
Just MPO.
Saluda
New member
BajaRon
Well-known member
It's not, just ask my wife!
Seriously, I am as grateful as anyone to learn of possible difficulties via the forums. It is when these problems get continually rehashed by the same individuals, sometimes every few minutes, and when people without problems start to sell their Spyders, decide not to buy, or get paranoid every time they ride, that I begin to worry. Right now I see the death of the Spyder on the horizon, and the over-reaction to stated problems is likely to be the reason. This troubles me no end. I cannot stop this from happening, and I refuse to be castrated for my views, as has been suggested.
It has been fun. I will miss you all. Goodbye!
The demise of the Spyder (which I do not see happening) will not come from "My Spyder has a Problem" posts on this forum. It will come from good owners (like you Scotty) throwing in the towel...
I think the Spyder has created a phenomena that many of us do not realize and it is fueling, somewhat, the negative streak we go through from time to time.
What I mean is, the Spyder is the first "Motorcycle" that many have ever owned. And I think the 1st time buyer numbers are huge in comparison to most, if not all, other models out there.
These are people who are accustomed to buying a new car, putting the key in the ignition, taking it to the dealer when required and that's about it.
A motocycle is a completely different animal and requires a little different approach or mind set, if you will. This typically takes place over time and after owning a few motorcycles.
I think this is at least part of what frustrates people like me and Scotty. Not that we have all the answers or want to tell people with issues to go away. Not at all.
I see Scotty, and others, with a great deal of motorcycle experience trying to impart this special motorcycle mind set they have aquired (and probably didn't even realize it). And they get frustrated because it takes time and just doesn't happen quickly.
In a lot of ways, the Spyder is the perfect 1st time buyer's motorcycle. It is safe and has a very easy learning curve. You don't have to hold the Spyder up, it has incredible stability going slow or fast, it's very easy to operate and very forgiving if you make a mistake.
In other words, you can get on the Spyder, relax and just have fun with it almost right out of the dealership parking lot. None of this is true of any 2 wheeled motorcyle (for the 1st time buyer).
One of the driving forces (IMHO) behind the heavy load of negativity we are experiencing here lately is the fact that many Spyder owners have not had any experience or background with this type of vehicle as most other model owners would.
I'm not saying this is an excuse for problems with the Spyder. I'm just saying I think it skews the overall, collective response to problems.
It blows me away that many owners of perfectly good Spyders, who have never had an issue with their ride, are so quick to park it in fear because someone else posted a problem with theirs.
You will not find that kind of reaction with Harley riders, Honda's, BMW's, Triumphs, or any other motorcycle out there. I think it is because most of these are not 1st time owners of a motorcycle.
I know this argument is not rock solid and you are
Intresting post so far
My opinion:
This should be "Required Reading" before being allowed access to the forums.
I have be reading this forum for the past few months. I have owned my spyder for about a month now and purchased it pre-owned. Its has had the first steering update and the parking update. I have no other issues with my toy. It is going in next week for the ground wire update. I love driving it and always have a grin when riding it. My look at the whole situation is there is nothing that I can to do to prevent what may or may not happen. Guess thats why I have a warrenty and insurance. I think most of us have had issues with things that we have owned. What do we do? We either get it fixed or get rid of it. I have few joys in my life (kids, spyder, wife) maybe not in that orderbut I will continue to enjoy it..
mike3069
New member
It's not, just ask my wife!
Seriously, I am as grateful as anyone to learn of possible difficulties via the forums. It is when these problems get continually rehashed by the same individuals, sometimes every few minutes, and when people without problems start to sell their Spyders, decide not to buy, or get paranoid every time they ride, that I begin to worry. Right now I see the death of the Spyder on the horizon, and the over-reaction to stated problems is likely to be the reason. This troubles me no end. I cannot stop this from happening, and I refuse to be castrated for my views, as has been suggested.
(Jump on soapbox) Speaking from this lofty height, I want to tell you all that the existence of the Spyder has allowed me to once again, after 30 years, allowed me to experience the wind on my face on the public highways of America. I am incredibly grateful to BRP for making this possible.
I, like Scotty, am very concerned that the continued hoopla COULD lead to the disappearance of this wonderful option for myself and others like me.
Our tendency, as a society, to refuse to take personal responsibility for our own actions has lead to lawyers deciding what we are allowed to do and experience. By making others (manufacturers, providers etc.) pay when WE make choices that result in undesired results, the burden of responsibility is removed from us as individuals, leading to the bad habit of not making well thought out, responsible choices.
The liability laws here in the USA seem to me to be created in an effort to upset the Darwinism theory, creating a gene pool that perpetuates the existence of a population without the common sense to understand that bad choices lead to bad results.
If this ultimately results in BRP exiting the market because of percieved legal problems, it will be the ultimate slap in the face for me personally (due to the loss of MY ability to chose the risks I wish to engage in), not to mention the implied inability of our society to make individual choices without the intervention of some higher authority in our lives to make us "safe" for our own thinking.
(Step off soapbox)
I'll go away now.
WizardMaster
Registered User
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Wow somebody else that actually sees the big picture. Very well said:2thumbs:.
WaltH
Senior Member
It's not, just ask my wife!
Seriously, I am as grateful as anyone to learn of possible difficulties via the forums. It is when these problems get continually rehashed by the same individuals, sometimes every few minutes, and when people without problems start to sell their Spyders, decide not to buy, or get paranoid every time they ride, that I begin to worry. Right now I see the death of the Spyder on the horizon, and the over-reaction to stated problems is likely to be the reason. This troubles me no end. I cannot stop this from happening, and I refuse to be castrated for my views, as has been suggested.
It has been fun. I will miss you all. Goodbye!
Scotty, my friend, I don't believe you are leaving. You just bought a new RT-S, and you are as addicted to this forum as all the rest of us (look at the number of posts you have to your credit). Besides that, you love motorcycles almost as much as I do
, and this is the best motorcycle forum on the internet. Right now, you are hyperventilating and indulging in the kind of over-reaction that annoys you so much when others do it.I am certain that the sky will not fall. BRP will not go out of business. The Spyder will continue to be ever more successful. The safety issues will be solved. In the future we will describe this experience as "growing pains".
All mechanical/software problems have solutions. Not all people problems have solutions, so we need a lot of tolerance in our expectations of others. I do not have a problem with what is happening now on this forum. I see a lot of really nice people struggling to find answers to the questions that concern them the most. I want to know what they think.
Scotty, take a little while off from the forum and then come back to resume your place as respected (even revered) elder in the Spyder community. Your contributions have helped me far more than you can know. I think of you as a friend, even though I have never met you in person. I did live in Ann Arbor for many years (up the road a ways).:2thumbs:
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