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Way2Fast
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I had posts disappear before...no telling how things get lost in cyber space ??
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Yellow Spyder Fire
- Thread starter Mr K
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BajaRon
Well-known member
There are only 2 ways posts "Disappear". Lamont takes them down (very rare) or the person that posted them takes them down.
I too find it a bit odd that the 2nd event description has gone missing.
SpyderWolf
New member
I am also wondering if the laptop, or cellphone, was plugged into a 12 volt outlet in the trunk at the time. We just had a lady at work who left her IPhone charger plugged into the power outlet in her Suburban. It actually started a fire that destroyed the entire center of the dashboard and burned out the headliner while smoking the windshield.
I am glad the rider is okay, and am not trying to fuel the flames so to speak. Just saying that some items we plug into our power outlets could be faulty as well.
I am glad the rider is okay, and am not trying to fuel the flames so to speak. Just saying that some items we plug into our power outlets could be faulty as well.
MR K
While I too am concerned and curious about what would have casued this fire it is generally in you rbest interest NOT to provide too much detail here until you settle with your insurance as you may set yourself up as liable for any mods etc you made. i am not a lawyer but just something to consider here folks.
While I too am concerned and curious about what would have casued this fire it is generally in you rbest interest NOT to provide too much detail here until you settle with your insurance as you may set yourself up as liable for any mods etc you made. i am not a lawyer but just something to consider here folks.
WaltH
Senior Member
The burn pattern may appear different in part because the fire was extinguished earlier than some of the other fires, including mine. A few more minuets and the whole thing would have been gone. The tupperware burns easily. By the size of the flames, it looks like the fire was fueled by the gasoline (can't be sure of this). The ignition source is the mystery. Like the other fires, we will probably never know the exact cause.
Irrelevant, riders and drivers log millions of miles annually with cell phones, mp3 players and laptops connected to 12V sources and we don't hear about other bikes and cars going up in flames because of it.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the Spyder and have posted far more positive messages than negative but things are stacking up for BRP right now that coincidence does not explain. They have very very few bikes on the road compared to almost every other manufacturer out there yet their incidents of problems lately have skyrocketed. I know no other bike has steering as complicated and the Spyder the the DPS is relatively uncharted territory but electrically assisted power steering isn't exactly rocket science. I suspect BRP engineers have some good ideas what's going on and a fix will come out shortly because if this becomes more widespread and dealers the dealers and BRP do what they are obligated to do and inform the NHTSA it could come down to a mass cease and desist order and all Spyders will be ordered to be parked until a satisfactory solution and remediation is put in place.
The fires, well that's just weird and I suspect it's a combination of factors but it is design related and BRP MUST minimize the potential. Especially considering the RT and that there will me an order of magnitude more miles put on them vs. the RS. Running time and mileage are probably contributing factors as things wear.
BajaRon
Well-known member
That is an amazing statement. I spent 33 years in the fire service with my share of investigations and reports running the gambit from defective manufacture to arson and everything in-between.
Thousands of Spyder owners have traveled millions of collective miles and never had their ride burst into flames. Does that make this case "Irrelevant"?
I don't have any idea what caused this fire and I'm not saying I can determine much from the little information we have. But to say an electronic device plugged into a power source in the very location where it appears the fire originated is "Irrelevant" is nearly as interesting as the fire itself.
We don't know if anything was plugged in or not. But in my experience, nothing is irrelevant if you want to get to the bottom of an unexplained fire.
Firefly
Active member
:agree:
Could be something was wired wrong to the plug charging things. Maybe the laptop had an inverter being used to charge it. Tons of variables -- and non should be discounted.
MJW930 with my experience in the fire service as well and having been part of many fire cause investigations sometimes the cause of the fire is never known. Unfortunately the determination of the cause of the fire is at the mercy of the evidence left by the fire and as we all know sometimes there is very little left to evaluate. These spyder fires, unless having some piece of evidence or circumstances common to all the other spyder fires, may not ever have the cause determined. Unfortunately that is the reality of fire cause determination.
WaltH
Senior Member
I would not jump to the conclusion that the fire started in the front compartment because the compartment was totally destroyed. My saddlebags were totally destroyed. Does this mean the fire started there. I know where my fire started and it wasn't in the saddlebags, or the front compartment which was also totally destroyed. The tupperware goes up fast. My burn pattern clearly indicated the fire started on the right side. Mr. K's burn pattern is not conclusive from what I can see on the pictures. We would need pictures from more different angles. With a little longer burn time Mr. K's Spyder would have been totally destroyed. This would give us a different perspective. Take a look at the engine compartment. There is serious damage there. This is more significant than the fact that the front compartment was totally destroyed.
Mr K knows where the fire was first noticeable. If it turns out to be the front compartment, I will take back everything I said above and I will apologize.
Firefly
Active member
I think his main point was to look at everything--- and that nothing-- no matter how small--- is 'irrelevant'.
Smylinacha
Yellinacha
When I was in Highschool, my first car was a Ford Maverick (dating myself here).
That car caught on fire just like that! I was driving around and all of the sudden smoke started coming out of the steering wheel column. I kept driving it until I could find a place to pull over. Well no flames but it was smoking pretty good and smelled real bad - like wires burning up. Whole inside of the car was filled w/ smoke. I left it there, hitch hiked home and my dad had it towed to the junk yard. It was an old beater of a car but we have no idea how it even started. So who knows, anything can happen. And no I wasn't smoking anything silly while I was driving!
Maybe it's a wiring issue w/ the Spyder? Don't these fire forensics people know how to tell? My old car wasn't worth trying to figure out but these machines are new and should be looked into.
That car caught on fire just like that! I was driving around and all of the sudden smoke started coming out of the steering wheel column. I kept driving it until I could find a place to pull over. Well no flames but it was smoking pretty good and smelled real bad - like wires burning up. Whole inside of the car was filled w/ smoke. I left it there, hitch hiked home and my dad had it towed to the junk yard. It was an old beater of a car but we have no idea how it even started. So who knows, anything can happen. And no I wasn't smoking anything silly while I was driving!
Maybe it's a wiring issue w/ the Spyder? Don't these fire forensics people know how to tell? My old car wasn't worth trying to figure out but these machines are new and should be looked into.
Irrelevant was probably a poor choice of words.
The point I was attempting to make was that had this been an isolated incident, i.e. no other Spyders had spontaneously combusted, then looking for an external cause would be far more relevant. The fact that other spyders have caught fire should focus the investigation around looking for a common cause.
How many years did Ford deny anything systemic withing their trucks that could cause them to catch fire while sitting in a driveway hours after being parked only to find a defective cruise control switch was the culprit?
Personally, I think you have to rule out any common element before you start looking at additional causal factors. Perhaps it will turn out that the common issue is load on the accessory circuit? Who knows?
I just find it highly unlikely that these fires (3 or 4 that I'm aware of) aren't the result of the same defect.
IMHO what was plugged into the accessory socket is not relevant until all common factors are eliminated. You certainly have the right to disagree.
The point I was attempting to make was that had this been an isolated incident, i.e. no other Spyders had spontaneously combusted, then looking for an external cause would be far more relevant. The fact that other spyders have caught fire should focus the investigation around looking for a common cause.
How many years did Ford deny anything systemic withing their trucks that could cause them to catch fire while sitting in a driveway hours after being parked only to find a defective cruise control switch was the culprit?
Personally, I think you have to rule out any common element before you start looking at additional causal factors. Perhaps it will turn out that the common issue is load on the accessory circuit? Who knows?
I just find it highly unlikely that these fires (3 or 4 that I'm aware of) aren't the result of the same defect.
IMHO what was plugged into the accessory socket is not relevant until all common factors are eliminated. You certainly have the right to disagree.
Rando
New member
Who said his Spyder was equipped with an accessory socket?
Why make assumptions before the investigation is complete and you have all the facts?
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could the fires be started from a loose fuel hose that may drip gas on the engine? I checked my outbound fuel line from the fuel filter and could easliy move it back and forth and spin it on the filter shaft. I squeezed the line a bit a very small amount of gas came out . I then noticed straight below the fuel filter a small discolored spot on the engine where a drop of gas had landed on the engine. I replaced the clamp with the screw type and now it doesnt move and gas doesnt come out.
just a thought - i read that some others had a similar issue with a loose fuel hose on the outbound side of the filter.
Could be cause of fuel smell too I would think
just a thought - i read that some others had a similar issue with a loose fuel hose on the outbound side of the filter.
Could be cause of fuel smell too I would think
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
It's all bunk...and speculation...
Anyone can come here and post something about a fire, explosion, spontaneous combustion, etc...
If it's not reported to the NHTSA, it didn't happen....period...
It's so easy to get everyone going on a worrisome topic around here...
Anyone can come here and post something about a fire, explosion, spontaneous combustion, etc...
If it's not reported to the NHTSA, it didn't happen....period...
It's so easy to get everyone going on a worrisome topic around here...
Rando
New member
I don't think post #25 is bunk.
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
No, it doesn't appear to be...I caught the thread on the second page...filing with the NHTSA and getting BRP out to investigate should be the first things done...I'm not into the group psychology problem here and each case should be evaluated for cause...
As it is now, I'm not concerned about a Spyder fire any more than I am about a fire with my Lexus...there are simply too many things that people do to these bikes and many times the fires might not be due to anything BRP has done...
Have to give BRP the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise...
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