Are you kidding. Lots of motorcycles with Shaft Drive. BMW, Moto Guzzi,Triumph, Honda, Suzuki just to name a few.
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Will shaft drive be coming to the 1330?
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Are you kidding. Lots of motorcycles with Shaft Drive. BMW, Moto Guzzi,Triumph, Honda, Suzuki just to name a few.
Uh...........BMW shaft drive since 1903. There shaft drive issues were only a handful of years. Not a problem for quiet a while.
Sarge707
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THREE Great Reasons!!! The Ryker was built for shaft drive- BRP will Never Change the drive on current models and if they Don't start selling better The Ryker Line May be the Only line in the future?
jaherbst
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Well shaft drives have been around a long time and have worked well. I have had a lot of them but they too are not without their troubles. Very expensive to repair. I am quite happy with the belt drives though. Several hundred thousand miles on Harleys with belt drives and two Spyders with belt drives have served me well. All my BMW's have had shaft drives and good care with regular service and oil changes in the shaft drives have been trouble free for myself. Shaft repair can be North of $1500 +. A new belt can be had for several hundred dollars.
Bottom line: I would not throw one away for the other.
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Highwayman2013
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I would think the RT is overdue for major updating so we will see.
KX5062
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Nah, the BMW shaft drive issues are mostly a thing of the past and mostly limited to several models within a model range. The new BMW shaft drives, from 2014 on are very reliable. Their big problem was when they designed a "final drive" (the rear pumpkin) that was maintenance free for the life of the machine, which of course is absurd and caused a lot of bike to be recalled and fixed.
LifeLongRider
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Since the Ryker was designed with a 900cc inline 3 cyl and CVT trans with the same wheel base as the current 1330 machines (67.3 inches), I would bet that it would all bolt right up to the 1330. The price reduction of $4K from 2018 to 2019 may be for inventory reduction - my money is on shaft drive for 2020.
jcthorne
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Ehhh, no.
The 1330 with its 6 speed transmission is an integral design with a transverse output shaft and crankshaft. Shaft drive would require a complete redesign of not only the bike itself but the 1330 power plant as well. As long as the RT is the best selling Spyder they have, its not likely they will do a ground up new design of a touring bike. As the F3 shares the same drive train, same is true there.
I think you are much more likely to see a build out of the Ryker product line adding new models and more HP to the basic design. Think of the current Ryker as the F3S with T and L yet to come.....
Completely agree..... :thumbup:
The #1 reason I'm "probably" not going to buy another Spyder is because of the belt vibration.
The idler has reduced belt vibration but only to bearable levels.
I tell people the F3 is NOT a smooth riding machine and always feel like I'm going much faster then my actual speed.
The idler has reduced belt vibration but only to bearable levels.
I tell people the F3 is NOT a smooth riding machine and always feel like I'm going much faster then my actual speed.
jcthorne
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You have something else going on than belt vibration. Or you are particularly sensitive to engine vibration. The F3 is a VERY smooth riding bike on the highway. Granted with a belt tensioner added but it completely solves the belt vibration issue.
AeroPilot
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Enjoyed lots of cruising across Kansas on the 76 Yamaha XS750 shaft drive triple. It never left me down except when I ran out of gas between Protection and Medicine Lodge:sour: Then had work and family take my time and money until the Honda 750 Shadow Aero Shaft drive provided many miles of trouble free cruisin. Enjoyed the Harley and BRP belt drives, but there is a lot to be said for a dependable sealed shaft ryde..
The shaft drive might tempt me off the RT and cruising the back roads again:2thumbs: . Bugs in the teeth just mean I'm still enjoying the ryde.
The shaft drive might tempt me off the RT and cruising the back roads again:2thumbs: . Bugs in the teeth just mean I'm still enjoying the ryde.
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"felt vibration" is too argumentative or opinionated to discuss.
All I can say is that the vibration I do feel is comparable to my Suzuki Intruder 1400 (my worst vibrating bike) (My Harley "shook" but only while idling).
I have test ridden many other F3s and the "felt Vibration" was the same.
To me, the "felt vibration" is simply unacceptable so I would only consider another F3 if they cured this issue.
All I can say is that the vibration I do feel is comparable to my Suzuki Intruder 1400 (my worst vibrating bike) (My Harley "shook" but only while idling).
I have test ridden many other F3s and the "felt Vibration" was the same.
To me, the "felt vibration" is simply unacceptable so I would only consider another F3 if they cured this issue.
JP58
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I agree with you. The belt tensioner makes it better but does not cure the problem. Mine only vibes above 70 mph. But comes and gos. Windy days make it worse because it creates a drag. Excel and decel at that speed will make it vibe to. Both my previous RT and current F3L will do it. I've had both brp and Doc's tensioners.
I'm hoping the drive shaft comes to the F3 as I don't see a true fix for the long belt vibrating issue.
TerryTheSpyderRyder
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Hopefully the Spyder will not get shaft drive. While it is more reliable since there's no belt or chain to maintain and eventually replace, it is also more complicated. It is also inefficient, since the power flow has to change direction twice because of the gear sets needed. And, thanks to the clearance those gears require, there is more drive-line snatch engineered into shaft drive. A properly adjusted chain or belt will run smoother and have less slop. So, Can-Am, leave the belt on our beloved Spyder, please!
You cant be serious.
You admit a shaft drive is more reliable then bash it for being complicated?
I'm guessing if it works on other motorcycles, cars and tractors beautifully then it will work on a Spyder.
If a belt can run smoother then why are we discussing a shaft drive or idlers or belt tensioners?
If a belt runs smoother then why did BRP add a shaft drive to its new Ryker?
You admit a shaft drive is more reliable then bash it for being complicated?
I'm guessing if it works on other motorcycles, cars and tractors beautifully then it will work on a Spyder.
If a belt can run smoother then why are we discussing a shaft drive or idlers or belt tensioners?
If a belt runs smoother then why did BRP add a shaft drive to its new Ryker?
grumpyoldretiredcop
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Having had shaft-driven, chain-driven and belt-driven bikes of various makes and models, I would very much like to see a shaft drive F3. I'd sell my 2017 F3T in a hot second to get one, if for nothing more than to go drifting on a dirt road without worrying what's going to get into the belt and make mischief...
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