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What's the best way to get Paint Codes for Spyders/Rykers?

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pauly1

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SpyderDeb wants to have her Spyder painted. A color she likes was on the after-market panels for a Ryker in a Turquoise color. I say was as they were only available in 2019. She worked with her dealer and found the paint codes to be 313C but the painter doesn't recognize that color. Apparently, the code is PMS or Pantone Matching Systems, which is used primarily for print and non-metallic colors. Without a panel in-hand, is there a better way to get a usable paint code?

Thanks!
Wayne
 
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pauly1 said:
SpyderDeb wants to have her Spyder painted. A color she likes was on the after-market panels for a Ryker in a Turquoise color. I say was as they were only available in 2019. She worked with her dealer and found the paint codes to be 313C but the painter doesn't recognize that color. Apparently, the code is PMS or Pantone Matching Systems, which is used primarily for print and non-metallic colors. Without a panel in-hand, is there a better way to get a usable paint code?

Thanks!
Wayne
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IMHO I would just choose a color that comes close to what She likes ..... BRP uses WATER based paint which isn't as sturdy as Automotive paints .... good luck ...Mike :thumbup:
 
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I believe all the automotive paints are water base this day and age. Strict rules and regs. I could be wrong.
 
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rhino1 said:
I believe all the automotive paints are water base this day and age. Strict rules and regs. I could be wrong.
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You would be correct sir. Most modern automotive and powersports paints are water based acrylic polyurethane enamel. Mostly due to environmental concerns.
 
Thanks to all who responded. I called Axalta/Nason, Glen Mills, PA, and was totally impressed by their customer service agent, PJ. He communicated well (English as a first language), he took the time to listen as I explained I was a non-paint-professional, and then made recommendations. Bottom line: we got to a local Nason distributor (Car Colors, Mineral Wells, TX) and secured the color she was looking for. Color names are marketing and industrial designer-derived terms, therefore ambiguous. Color numbers are a way to communicate technical color information, although not universal. But seeing the color first-hand made the match! We are very satisfied with the interaction with Axalta and Nason! Let the paint party begin.
 
rhino1 said:
I believe all the automotive paints are water base this day and age. Strict rules and regs. I could be wrong.
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Not all. However, most if not all production line painting Is. In production lines when it comes to certain primers, and color base coats, they are water borne, but on the "basecoat/clearcoat" process a solvent based clear is still used as its durability is not matched by water-borne (clear coats) topcoats.
Looking at my own solid green 2023 Spyder, my guess is, it is a single component paint, i.e. no clearcoat. The paint is very soft, i.e. scratches easily.
Furthermore, its mil-thickness is quite thin. I have not had a chance to probe into the metallic paint Can Am offers. It may have a clearcoat over it.
I've been painting yachts, boats, motorcycles, vehicles, on and off-road for a solid 50 years, and I can tell you that such painting (due to government intervention) has gotten quite complicated.
That stated, there are water borne coatings out there in the alkyd-based world which are incredibly tough but are more of an industrial nature like military vehicles.

However, bottom line from my own experience, for a nice durable, glossy finish, my money is on solvent based products.

Go to an automotive supply who mixes paint (most Napa Auto Parts do) and ask to see their color chip books. Most have volumes of colors. Pick one out.
 
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Forgot to mention. My green 2023 Sea2Sky is not paint.
The plastic "is" the color through and through.
I assume this is the case for all Spyders, & Rykers?
 
BoatFixx said:
Forgot to mention. My green 2023 Sea2Sky is not paint.
The plastic "is" the color through and through.
I assume this is the case for all Spyders, & Rykers?
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Only the black is through molded. Other colors in the PC/ABS allow used in the molding will color-shift in the injection molding process, making it hard to match colors between suppliers. On the 5 F3 models we've owned, even the pearl white was painted over black plastic base. The best paint on any consumer motorcycle is from Harley-Davidson (well, except for the denim-finish crapola that is on some of them). All of the gloss finished have been clear coated.

The painter, Aaron Smith, Weatherford, TX, is nearing completion of the paint. The Nason paint being applied is solvent-based.
 
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Only the black is through molded. Other colors in the PC/ABS allow used in the molding will color-shift in the injection molding process, making it hard to match colors between suppliers. On the 5 F3 models we've owned, even the pearl white was painted over black plastic base. The best paint on any consumer motorcycle is from Harley-Davidson (well, except for the denim-finish crapola that is on some of them). All of the gloss finished have been clear coated.

The painter, Aaron Smith, Weatherford, TX, is nearing completion of the paint. The Nason paint being applied is solvent-based.
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Interesting.
As noted, my 23' "Green Shadow" is through molded. Proven by my stealth carve out of a piece of it with a razor knife.
 
And the plastic is not all ABS. Some pieces are another plastic. The fenders are PA66 while the frunk lid is ABS. The type of plastic it is will be molded in to the piece on the backside somewhere.
 
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And the plastic is not all ABS. Some pieces are another plastic. The fenders are PA66 while the frunk lid is ABS. The type of plastic it is will be molded in to the piece on the backside somewhere.
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The frunk lids on our 2015 and 2018 clearly state "PC+ABS" on the inside of the lids. I haven't found any parts that were straight ABS, as one may find in a automotive interior. I did find found 2 parts that were not marked: they were textured, unpainted parts that looked like ABS/PC when I sanded them. I'll look on the front fenders when I pick them up tomorrow as to whether they are nylon (PA6/6): nylon makes sense as it molds easier than the PC/ABS but due to its high moisture absorption (dimensional stability), low surface energy (paint is harder to adhere) and lower impact properties, it may not fit for a painted fender.
 
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The finished paint. Lots of work getting the lights and other adhesive-mounted reattached. Sure looks good in the sun! Aaron B Smith, BSM Paint Works, Weatherford, TX, shot the paint. I did the tear-down and reassembly.

Wayne
 

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