Magic Man
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Here is a bit of a "it's the priciple of the matter" rant here.
To some it may not matter, but it's just not right ether.
Being a dealer here NY we had the paper work for the new RT transfered to us under a MV-50 (which means we will ether be reselling it or take care of the reg ourselves)
Just like Scotty said awhile ago, the MSO we were given on the RT has the HP listed at only 95 not the 100 HP BRP advertises it to have in both print and (still as of today) on their web site.
Now it's not like the 5 HP is going to make this thing a "rocket" or not. But how is it the advertising dept. can't seem to get the same correct information that the MSO department has?
Also, anybody who has ever purchased an "aftermarket performance product" can tell you just how expensive those "lost 5 HP" can be to get back.
I think the almost $600 Hindle system BRP was selling for the SE's only made about 4-6 HP according to their information?
Print material always has the CYA "prices and specifications subject to change without notice" in them and I fully get that.
However, once they "do change something" then from that point forward they really do have a responsibility to update the information being sent out.
They say can't do something like.....
Orginally say they will use the 136 HP Aprilla power plant in the unit and make up the web site and printed material saying so. Then switch to the current motor leaving those outdated specs out there forever. Which would then have us all think we are getting that 136 HP once they know we are not.
Be it 36 HP or 5 HP, once they made the change, they then have a legal responsibility to inform us of that change going forward so we all know the truth in what we are buying.
It's that whole "truth in advertising" law thing here
Printed material is hard to quickly change, I fully understand. But web sites can be updated in just a few moments. It has been almost 2 months since Scotty noticed this, and still nothing has been corrected.
Hyundai got sued over just this thing a few years back in a huge class action case that cost them $85 million dollars. That case was because the cars they said had 140 HP only had 135 HP.
To most people, (my self included) 5 HP one way or another is not why I bought the RT. However, it is a full 5% lower then what we were told we were getting.
If the gas station you purchased your $3 a gallon gas from shorts you 5%, the owner gets locked up by the weights and measures people. nojoke
That's what happens if they are short just 5% of a $3 item more or less 5% on a 25K machine. (on average 5% would be a gallon short in an average size tankful)
I am just a bit of a stickler about everybody having to follow the same business laws the rest of us live under.
When I see a company so blatently thumbing their nose at the "rules of fair trade" thinking they above the rules. Or perhaps that we are all so stupid that we'll never notice. That just makes my hat spin.
I mean really somebody going into a dealership today and looking at the printed material, who even researches the Spyder web site thinks the machine they are buying still is 100 HP.
... and no! One listing is not crank HP and the other one rear wheel HP. Both are the same crank HP ratings BRP lists in their material. I think these units would be someplace in the upper 80s at the rear wheel if tested?
The funniest thing is that the whole Hyundai case started up in Canada. So you'd want to think companies from Canada would be right on top of stuff liike this.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/hyundai_settlement.html
You'd think with their "plate being full with DPS problems" the last thing they'd want to do is start more contraversy by lack of something so simple as timely information updating.
MM
To some it may not matter, but it's just not right ether.
Being a dealer here NY we had the paper work for the new RT transfered to us under a MV-50 (which means we will ether be reselling it or take care of the reg ourselves)
Just like Scotty said awhile ago, the MSO we were given on the RT has the HP listed at only 95 not the 100 HP BRP advertises it to have in both print and (still as of today) on their web site.
Now it's not like the 5 HP is going to make this thing a "rocket" or not. But how is it the advertising dept. can't seem to get the same correct information that the MSO department has?
Also, anybody who has ever purchased an "aftermarket performance product" can tell you just how expensive those "lost 5 HP" can be to get back.
I think the almost $600 Hindle system BRP was selling for the SE's only made about 4-6 HP according to their information?
Print material always has the CYA "prices and specifications subject to change without notice" in them and I fully get that.
However, once they "do change something" then from that point forward they really do have a responsibility to update the information being sent out.
They say can't do something like.....
Orginally say they will use the 136 HP Aprilla power plant in the unit and make up the web site and printed material saying so. Then switch to the current motor leaving those outdated specs out there forever. Which would then have us all think we are getting that 136 HP once they know we are not.
Be it 36 HP or 5 HP, once they made the change, they then have a legal responsibility to inform us of that change going forward so we all know the truth in what we are buying.
It's that whole "truth in advertising" law thing here
Printed material is hard to quickly change, I fully understand. But web sites can be updated in just a few moments. It has been almost 2 months since Scotty noticed this, and still nothing has been corrected.
Hyundai got sued over just this thing a few years back in a huge class action case that cost them $85 million dollars. That case was because the cars they said had 140 HP only had 135 HP.
To most people, (my self included) 5 HP one way or another is not why I bought the RT. However, it is a full 5% lower then what we were told we were getting.
If the gas station you purchased your $3 a gallon gas from shorts you 5%, the owner gets locked up by the weights and measures people. nojoke
That's what happens if they are short just 5% of a $3 item more or less 5% on a 25K machine. (on average 5% would be a gallon short in an average size tankful)
I am just a bit of a stickler about everybody having to follow the same business laws the rest of us live under.
When I see a company so blatently thumbing their nose at the "rules of fair trade" thinking they above the rules. Or perhaps that we are all so stupid that we'll never notice. That just makes my hat spin.
I mean really somebody going into a dealership today and looking at the printed material, who even researches the Spyder web site thinks the machine they are buying still is 100 HP.
... and no! One listing is not crank HP and the other one rear wheel HP. Both are the same crank HP ratings BRP lists in their material. I think these units would be someplace in the upper 80s at the rear wheel if tested?
The funniest thing is that the whole Hyundai case started up in Canada. So you'd want to think companies from Canada would be right on top of stuff liike this.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/hyundai_settlement.html
You'd think with their "plate being full with DPS problems" the last thing they'd want to do is start more contraversy by lack of something so simple as timely information updating.
MM
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