want do have usb to radio, pooh pooh to ipods

[leonml]

I'm on a mission. I hate that everyone has catered to Ipods and all there proprietary crap. Tired of no completion and the poor sound quality, well at least I hear when I play anything but an ipod to compare it to.

A lot of devices use USB to allow you to plug in devices, not just ipod, why not the spyder. There is no reason that the only device that I can run to the radio and control the music is a crappy icrap device. I want to run others. I think theres got to be a way to run just about every device to our radio. I for one just bought the Hifiman 901 as Ipod is just crap. I hate earbuds, want to punch anyone who would even suggest them as a good listening headphone when they are earphones and I hate them. Well I want to be able to figure out how we can all do this from the 9 pin or otherwise to be able to run all the other players that many of us rather use. It can't be rocket science.

I think all of the portable xm or Sirius units, walkmans, all brands of mp3 players etc should be the same, but I'm not sure, or at least I think there has to be a way to wire all these devices with correct wiring and then via usb run them into the radio on the spyder rt.

Can anyone be of any help? if the connections in all Usb are the same then why not a ipod cable adapter to go, 7 pin din to ipod plug to ipod plug adapter to usb female???

Finless figured out the dongle, I think that he's going down the right path with figuring out the wiring. There could be an endless number of things we cold do with the right connect to the radio and then the correct plugs for all available devices on the market.

I have xm for life, no more bills, so long as it's using my current portable device or I have like 2 or 3 upgrades I can do and the service is still free, so I have no plan to pay for multiple xm radio services in multiple or on multiple toys when I can pull the device and run it to the next toy.

So heres what I'd like.
1. to run my xm portable from the trunk to a usb so I can control the channels etc. I think all it would be is a matter of figuring out the pin config and they would all be the same because the devices are meant to plug into home audio players, I think all the same.

2. I'd like to run my hifiman from the trunk and have full control of the tunes as well, or any music player.

3 be able to run these all through the speakers and the bt dongle, which has been figured out already.

Please tell me this isn't just a dream I'm having.


Keep in mind most of the portable devices aren't Bluetooth, usually just phones.

 

[Motorcycledave]

if you figure it out....

I will buy it from you...:thumbup:

I'm on a mission. I hate that everyone has catered to Ipods and all there proprietary crap. Tired of no completion and the poor sound quality, well at least I hear when I play anything but an ipod to compare it to.

A lot of devices use USB to allow you to plug in devices, not just ipod, why not the spyder. There is no reason that the only device that I can run to the radio and control the music is a crappy icrap device. I want to run others. I think theres got to be a way to run just about every device to our radio. I for one just bought the Hifiman 901 as Ipod is just crap. I hate earbuds, want to punch anyone who would even suggest them as a good listening headphone when they are earphones and I hate them. Well I want to be able to figure out how we can all do this from the 9 pin or otherwise to be able to run all the other players that many of us rather use. It can't be rocket science.

I think all of the portable xm or Sirius units, walkmans, all brands of mp3 players etc should be the same, but I'm not sure, or at least I think there has to be a way to wire all these devices with correct wiring and then via usb run them into the radio on the spyder rt.

Can anyone be of any help? if the connections in all Usb are the same then why not a ipod cable adapter to go, 7 pin din to ipod plug to ipod plug adapter to usb female???

Finless figured out the dongle, I think that he's going down the right path with figuring out the wiring. There could be an endless number of things we cold do with the right connect to the radio and then the correct plugs for all available devices on the market.
om you....
I have xm for life, no more bills, so long as it's using my current portable device or I have like 2 or 3 upgrades I can do and the service is still free, so I have no plan to pay for multiple xm radio services in multiple or on multiple toys when I can pull the device and run it to the next toy.

So heres what I'd like.
1. to run my xm portable from the trunk to a usb so I can control the channels etc. I think all it would be is a matter of figuring out the pin config and they would all be the same because the devices are meant to plug into home audio players, I think all the same.

2. I'd like to run my hifiman from the trunk and have full control of the tunes as well, or any music player.

3 be able to run these all through the speakers and the bt dongle, which has been figured out already.

Please tell me this isn't just a dream I'm having.


Keep in mind most of the portable devices aren't Bluetooth, usually just phones.

 

[leonml]

I'd love to just own it, sell it would be secondary

It really can't be that hard. If you look at an xm portable device the connector is oh so close to that of a crap ipod. My hifiman comes with a usb cable to plug in, but I'm waiting to get it and am not sure of the full functionality of it concerning plugging into other electronics and controlling with say a avr receiver and seeing the menu on the tv. If it does then I'm one step closer with my one device, because then it would be just wiring a usb to the 9 pin which is just minor testing of the ipod cable and the usb and where the wires come and go from one to the other.

Many of my good ideas always end up running into lack of ambition and waiting for someone else to take my good idea and make it work. Well not always, but so much crap to do in life sometimes slows down making things the way you want to be able to enjoy them to the fullest.

 

[leonml]

is it this easy?

How can this be all that is to this cable?
From what I see it's positive, negative and 2 data connections. So all those pins on the connector are useless nonsense?

 

[leonml]

The xm might be problematic as I'm not sure about the portable device having output of data, but hey, even if I can run it to the front and mount it, and have it and my portable player run to the radio and switch back and forth would be nice without pulling over. Why no 7 pin to usb is just plain lazy and stupid. Spyder gonna keep changing for ipod crap and just say screw all others and then bill people for the new proprietary junk plug adapter that goes with a new unit? Stupid

 

[Highwayman2013]

Hmm no ipod love here.:banghead: I stream my music to my helmet from my iphone using bluetooth.

 

[harrypottar]

You know its not just the cable that controls the device. There's a communication protocol and software in the third party device that controls the iPod. Although you could make a cable to fit your new device, the device would not understand the protocol sent from the controlling unit.

You can plug the audio out (normally the head phone socket) of any device into the audio in of the spyder and hear sound but you can not control the device.

Patching a cable to the data connector will not work as the spyder does not have the software protocol to control the new device. It would be costly for both the consumer and manufacture to include all device protocols so they go with the most popular. Love it or hate it Apple as a good chunk of that market.

harry

 

[CaptainSFC]

Just taking a wild guess here but I don't think you like Apple products?

 

[Farmbanker]

I also get the impression you don't like Apple. Post was just a little too vague though.


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[jcthorne]

No, all would be needed is for the Spyder entertainment system to support the USB storage protocol as most android phones, third party mp3 players and all thumb drives support that protocol. That is how the Ford Sync and many other automotive systems are able to access and control music from a great many devices other than apple. The other option is Bluetooth access but its a bit more complicated but is supported by many devices these days.Alas, BRP and their electronics supplier decided to support a lesser used and proprietary protocol ONLY. Likely because the programmer was a icrap user.....perhaps a future update could add the required protocols or an adaptor designed.

 

[harrypottar]

No, all would be needed is for the Spyder entertainment system to support the USB storage protocol as most android phones, third party mp3 players and all thumb drives support that protocol. That is how the Ford Sync and many other automotive systems are able to access and control music from a great many devices other than apple. The other option is Bluetooth access but its a bit more complicated but is supported by many devices these days.Alas, BRP and their electronics supplier decided to support a lesser used and proprietary protocol ONLY. Likely because the programmer was a icrap user.....perhaps a future update could add the required protocols or an adaptor designed.

Correct if the spyder radio supported the mass storage protocol then you could just use a thumb drive containing mp3 files and even m3u files for playlist, in theory you could then skip tracks, load play list etc Not sure if the xm radio unit expose the radio through that method as it more a file processing protocol.

However back to your original post making a conversion cable would not change the protocol. BRP would simply have to produce the 'din' to 'usb'. Send in a feature request to BRP if enough people ask for it, it could happen.

If your truly interested in making a conversion "box" this is a good place to start on the communication protocol https://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ee476/FinalProjects/s2007/awr8_asl45/awr8_asl45/index.html

hope that helps

harry

 

[shelbydave]

I ended up just getting an iPod nano. first piece of iCrap I ever owned. All in all, it's not a bad little device, but iTunes wanting to upgrade every time I turn around is a bit aggravating.

 

[Lamonster]

I also get the impression you don't like Apple. Post was just a little too vague though.


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It's funny because I heard that the guy who runs this site is a big fan of Apple and it's products. Not sure I would want to make him mad or you may have trouble logging in here with your non Apple product. :joke:

 

[Pennyrick]

It's funny because I heard that the guy who runs this site is a big fan of Apple and it's products. Not sure I would want to make him mad or you may have trouble logging in here with your non Apple product. :joke:

I was thinking of sending him an autographed photo of Steve Jobs.

 

[jcthorne]

I too was thinking about buying a 6th gen Ipod nano just for the bike. Is it really necessary to load iTunes on the pc to get music on the device or are there other less intrusive tools or a simple copy and paste of the files some how. Really would rather not install iTunes on my pc if I don't absolutely have to.

 

[CruiseRT]

I too was thinking about buying a 6th gen Ipod nano just for the bike. Is it really necessary to load iTunes on the pc to get music on the device or are there other less intrusive tools or a simple copy and paste of the files some how. Really would rather not install iTunes on my pc if I don't absolutely have to.

For Linux:
Kubuntu go here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4791/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod/

Ubuntu go here: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/natty/gtkpod/

For Windows go here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/24473/how-to-use-your-ipod-with-foobar2000/
(Foobar2000 is a great program)

I do not use a fruit player because I do not want to pay the Apple Tax.
I think Apple has copy rights, patents, etc. to the protocol that the spyder radio and other radios like it that will talk to the Ipod, so there will not be an android or other device that will work with it.

 

[leonml]

As far as my understanding, all devices who use a usb male to usb female to communicate data all works the same. I just got the Hifiman 901 and I'm telling you, this is like going from the apple crapple which we'll say is first base, to a home run with the hifiman, and I'm talking the big O. The sound is like an orgasm for your ears when all crapple could do was give you that tingle from humming.

I would hope that whoever runs the forum and loves apple appreciates a guy who rather have a Lamborghini instead of a 1980 Camaro.

Now can someone tell me, as I've looked and a company named Gino had a similar connector on amazon, and no longer available. I contacted Mouser electronics and no go. This thing is also similar to the Sena cable for Harley, so someones got to know where I can get just the 7 pin male din with or without cable.

All devices are digital, and if you send a digital signal, you should be able to read it with any usb device. I don't think that other companies that can play through say your home avr or car stereo have to be that device specific or all those devices would be super expensive and more of a computer than a stereo or music player. Like I said the hifiman has a cable and it's a data usb cable for the same use as ipod. it's all 1s and 0s folks. Obviously not all devices even send data, but I'm guessing even the Walkman music player has made it'self compatible with all usb ports and the software that runs them. Think about it, you should be able to hook up a video camera in the same port on a avr receiver as you do that ipod and you get picture, sound and words on the screen and out your speakers.

I understand some don't know, care or have ever cared about good sound in music, but I do, and ipod is very scratchy sounding, chops songs off, etc. so if sound into any headphone is not as good as just cd quality, and I'm telling you most people don't hear it till compared, then all you have is a fancy music transporter that pooh poo'ed on your music and played it back, oh and stores it all in low pooh pooh sound so you can cram more in. Distortion at low volume, even a little comes out big at high volume.

If anyone out there knows who has that 7 pin din connector, give me a pm or post it. I will test this and I'm almost certain Im not the only one who would want a usb connector and not the apple one or for this bike, heck even the apple one has a usb one too, just can't use it, it's the standard now.

 

[leonml]

For Linux:
Kubuntu go here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4791/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod/

Ubuntu go here: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/natty/gtkpod/

For Windows go here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/24473/how-to-use-your-ipod-with-foobar2000/
(Foobar2000 is a great program)

I do not use a fruit player because I do not want to pay the Apple Tax.
I think Apple has copy rights, patents, etc. to the protocol that the spyder radio and other radios like it that will talk to the Ipod, so there will not be an android or other device that will work with it.

I highly question this, after all look at the fact that that fancy plug they use is nothing but 4 wires to the 4 contacts on the usb. All the rest of those pins are to scare people I believe. I posted too that a video camera plugs into any usb on a tv, avr, etc, so why not the same for spyder. I don't think that little crap box of a radio in the spyder is that sophisticated to have proprietary software for ipod when no one else does. It's more or less advertising to cater to the masses of icrap users to think it was made just for their device. All digital and all the players and devices should use the same software to read it. and also to control it with a remote, etc.

 

[NancysToy]

If you want good sound fidelity, sit in your livingroom and put on your headphones, then listen to CD's or DVDs, or even some old vinyl is analog devices don't offend you. You will never have full fidelity while riding in the wind and you will never have full fidelity with any form of compressed music files...iPod, mp3, etc.

 

[leonml]

I highly question this, after all look at the fact that that fancy plug they use is nothing but 4 wires to the 4 contacts on the usb. All the rest of those pins are to scare people I believe. I posted too that a video camera plugs into any usb on a tv, avr, etc, so why not the same for spyder. I don't think that little crap box of a radio in the spyder is that sophisticated to have proprietary software for ipod when no one else does. It's more or less advertising to cater to the masses of icrap users to think it was made just for their device. All digital and all the players and devices should use the same software to read it. and also to control it with a remote, etc.

If there is software then why not be able to load software via the same usb connection. Should be able to. It's how most electronics do updates to be able to support 3rd party devices, like loading a program on your computer.