Can the USB 2.0 port on my 2024 S2S be Upgraded to USB 3.0 and higher?

[Ages]

I would like to replace the USB 2.0 port on my 2024 Spyder RT S2S. Can the USB ports on these Spyders be upgraded to USB 3.0 and higher? If so, is this something that a DIY'er can do or will it have to be done at a dealership? Many of the newer Dash Cam display units are coming equipped with USB 4 capability, 40 Gigabytes per second. I believe USB 3.0, 3.1 and 4 are all backwards compatible.

 

[racoon]

The simple answer to the upgrade question is No.

The physical USB 2.0 port on your Spyder isn't what controls the transfer speed. The port has to be connected to a USB controller somewhere on the bike, and the controller is what controls the transfer speed.
As far as compatibility, USB 4 is backward compatible down to USB 1.1. But the transfer speed would be limited by the USB 1.1 rate.

Let's take this a step farther, and talk about the actual connector. The connector on the bike is a USB A connector.

If the camera you're looking at uses a USB C type connector, there are adapter cables you can buy that have a USB C connector on one end and a USB A connector on the other end.

As for the USB 4 and data transfer question I don't think it's an issue. The camera is going to include some sort of on board memory storage, probably in the form of some type of removable memory card.

I took a look at the Innovv website at one of their motorcycle dash cams, and it says it uses a TF card of 8Gb to 256Gb capacity. TF cards are also known as Micro SD cards. It does say the camera uses USB for power.

 

[Dansy]

The simple answer to the upgrade question is No.

The physical USB 2.0 port on your Spyder isn't what controls the transfer speed. The port has to be connected to a USB controller somewhere on the bike, and the controller is what controls the transfer speed.
As far as compatibility, USB 4 is backward compatible down to USB 1.1. But the transfer speed would be limited by the USB 1.1 rate.

Let's take this a step farther, and talk about the actual connector. The connector on the bike is a USB A connector.

If the camera you're looking at uses a USB C type connector, there are adapter cables you can buy that have a USB C connector on one end and a USB A connector on the other end.

As for the USB 4 and data transfer question I don't think it's an issue. The camera is going to include some sort of on board memory storage, probably in the form of some type of removable memory card.

I took a look at the Innovv website at one of their motorcycle dash cams, and it says it uses a TF card of 8Gb to 256Gb capacity. TF cards are also known as Micro SD cards. It does say the camera uses USB for power.

For INNOVV camera, I have the K7 system installed on my 2024 S2S. It has 2K front and back, taking 12v power in my case from a power distribution box (neutrino element+) and the Card is up to 512 GB that’s what I have installed…

 

[racoon]

For INNOVV camera, I have the K7 system installed on my 2024 S2S. It has 2K front and back, taking 12v power in my case from a power distribution box (neutrino element+) and the Card is up to 512 GB that’s what I have installed...

I was looking at the K6 system, so I guess the K7 can handle a bigger memory card.

 

[Ages]

The simple answer to the upgrade question is No.

The physical USB 2.0 port on your Spyder isn't what controls the transfer speed. The port has to be connected to a USB controller somewhere on the bike, and the controller is what controls the transfer speed.
As far as compatibility, USB 4 is backward compatible down to USB 1.1. But the transfer speed would be limited by the USB 1.1 rate.

Let's take this a step farther, and talk about the actual connector. The connector on the bike is a USB A connector.

If the camera you're looking at uses a USB C type connector, there are adapter cables you can buy that have a USB C connector on one end and a USB A connector on the other end.

As for the USB 4 and data transfer question I don't think it's an issue. The camera is going to include some sort of on board memory storage, probably in the form of some type of removable memory card.

I took a look at the Innovv website at one of their motorcycle dash cams, and it says it uses a TF card of 8Gb to 256Gb capacity. TF cards are also known as Micro SD cards. It does say the camera uses USB for power.

Is this a USB Controller? I'm trying to put a 3.0 USB on my Spyder. Reason being is because my Aoocci C6 Pro will run on 3.0 and higher up to USB 4.

https://www.amazon.com/Extractme-Mo...ocphy=9028705&hvtargid=pla-2281435178618&th=1

 

[jzeiler]

No that just has a quick charge 3.0 name it is NOT a USB3.0 controller.

 

[racoon]

So maybe we need to discuss why you would need USB 3 or 4 instead of USB 2.
I think everyone is getting caught up in the higher data transfer speeds supported by USB 3 or 4 when compared to USB 2.

After a ride, when you go to download the footage from your camera onto your computer, in order to edit the video and share it with others, the higher data transfer rate is nice.

USB 3 was announced in 2008, so pretty much any computer we are using today will have USB 3 or 4 ports supporting the faster transfer speeds.


But when you're out riding and recording the only thing you should be concerned about is the power that the camera needs to operate.

There is NO data transfer occurring between the camera and the bike, so having faster data transfer speeds doesn't matter.

 

[Dansy]

And beside, it's always better to just grab the card and go to the computer. If you record by 5 minutes sections, like I do, it would take forever…

The K7 doesn’t used the USB, the iPhone is wifi with the system (K7 behind the wifi system)

I was looking at the K6 system, so I guess the K7 can handle a bigger memory card.

I looked at it as well, but I’m on an RT and it was nicer to just mount it below the windscreen. A K6 would pretty much need to be mounted on the handlebar.

 

[Ages]

I wanted to go to USB 3.0 so that I could rely on my USB Port to run the Aoocci C6 Pro dash cam system, which is basically a small touchscreen computer equipped with a front and rear camera cabled to the front and rear of the Spyder. In reading up on the various USB 2.0 - 4 ports I found out that, as you have mentioned, it's more about power consumption than data transfer speeds when it comes to motorcycles. For instance, if you are wanting to "fast charge" a cell phone via your USB port, a 3.0 and above will handle that just fine. Where as a 2.0 port may not be able to maintain a "fast charge." My 2021 Ram 1500 USB ports do not charge my cell phone very well, but plugging a fast charger into the vehicles three prong power port is more than adequate to run the "fast charger." Ironically Aoocci includes a USB cable to power the unit and also includes the wiring to wire the unit directly to the Motorcycle battery. In it's downloadable C6 Pro manual Aoocci recommends wiring to the Motorcycle battery because some people are experiencing problems using their USB port to maintain power to the dash cam system. I can only speculate that those who are running their systems through a USB 2.0 port are most likely those who are having problems maintaining power to their dash cam systems. So after all of this trying to set up to power my dash cam system via the USB port, I guess I'll be wiring to my battery via the accessory port instead.

I did find a pretty good article from Tom's Hardware Guide explaining everything USB, here's the link:

USB Decoded: All the Specs and Version Numbers

What’s the difference between USB 2, 3, 3.1, 3.2 and 4?

www.tomshardware.com

 

[RogerC60]

That article about USB is great. But it covers the data aspects and doesn't talk much about charging. Most modern smartphones implement some version of QuickCharge. A QuickCharge charger will usually be marked with QC (e.g., "QC 3.0"). These charge at voltages higher than the USB standard 5V. I have not seen any devices besides phones the use QC.