As Mike mentioned in an earlier post, if you tethered your Spyder & did some circle work without any sideslip, the Nanny would still kick in - it'll do this for a number of reasons, but at least to some degree cos it's got a Yaw Sensor that doesn't
actually detect 'Sideways Slip' (or Yaw) only as it occurs, but rather it detects the Spyder's Angle of Lean
BEFORE it slips, flips, or rolls - or if you like, it detects the forces that reveal '
Incipient Sideways Slip/Flip'!! This is (often?) because you have too much weight up high that's trying to throw you
OUT, or away from the cornering forces.... :shocked:
On a 2 wheeled bike, this doesn't happen anywhere near as much because the only reason you're turning is due to you & the bike leaning
IN to enable the turn and countering these forces - but despite all those forces still being similar (or possibly even greater) than on a 2-wheeled bike, your Spyder
doesn't lean
IN to turn it,
YOU STEER IT!! And basic physics shows that since you can/must steer your bike to induce a turn (so you
can turn quicker than any 2 wheeled bike can turn
just by leaning) causing greater throwing out forces -
YOU STILL NEED TO OVERCOME/COUNTER those 'greater throwing out' forces
OR THE NANNY STEPS IN... :banghead:
Apart from reducing the traction markedly & introducing a lot of sideways slide into the deal, the only other important variables in this equation that
YOU have control over are really your
SPEED, and what you do with your
WEIGHT!! Btw, I
REAALLLYY doubt that the Nanny is cutting in any
sooner per se - it's waaaayyyy more likely that you're cornering harder or faster than you were on lesser tires, cos they let you slip in conditions/circumstances where now you have the grip to actually start & get further into the corners before any slipping becomes imminent & triggers the Nanny, so I reckon it's more likely that you are actually cornering faster/harder than before cos you can/don't notice it and
THAT's why you're getting more Nanny intervention, if that makes sense to you?! :dontknow:
Regardless, AFAICan see with your concerns Clover, if you
feel that your Nanny is cutting in earlier with the tires you now have & you want to sort that, then apart from going back to less grippy tires in some way, you either need to
Slow Down & ride less aggressively, which you've told us you don't want to do; or you need to
move your weight IN & DOWN more on every corner where you're experiencing this 'Nanny Intervention', thereby reducing the forces trying to throw you out & away from the corner & by doing so, minimising the sensor inputs that trigger the Nanny! Make sense?? :dontknow:
I've found that you can do this by bracing yourself with your outside foot (it's down low & below the CoG so it has minimal impact on that 'yaw' sensor) to enable moving your bum across the seat and down toward the inside of the corner while also lowering your upper body (& its weight) towards the inside of the corner - ie. move your bum across the seat then in & down as you lean your upper body into the corner & forward as if to kiss your wrist on the inside handlebar... and until you get those first two well under control (that's the moving your bum in & down + getting your upper body across & down into the corner bits
) it also helps to try to
avoid pushing on the
outside bar but instead
only PULL on the
inside bar - cos until you & your weight get well down low on the inside of the bike thru a corner, a push on the outside bar will be transferring even more 'up high' weight towards the outside of the corner and
actually increasing the likelihood of Nanny intervention!! :banghead:
How
MUCH you need to do this depends upon how hard you want to ride - it's probably not at all necessary if you're just out there tooling along with the breeze in your face, but once you start pushing things along a bit, it becomes more necessary! And just as necessary as it is, the harder you push, the more it needs to become part & parcel of your smooth flow thru the corners - this Bosch Nanny our Spyder's have is a truly wonderful thing for what she is, but she really likes a smooth flow of weight & actions instead of jerky weight transfers & sudden control inputs, changes of attitude etc! Every sensor feed she gets is by design intended to make her respond quicker/harder to sudden/aggressive changes, cos that's how things happen in an accident - so the smoother & more 'flowing' you can make your riding and all those weight transfers, steering inputs, braking, etc, etc, the less likely she is to intervene! That doesn't mean you need to slow down &/or can't go fast, cos you really can, just so long as you do it smoooootttthhhhllllyyyy and make it flow!
When I first put better tires on my Spyder & hit the test track, the Nanny went berserk!! I was used making tiny but rapid (possibly even jerky?!) control inputs and rapidly switching my body & weight from side to side of a 2 wheeled bike, but the significant gyroscopic effect provided by the two wheels spinning in line with each other which makes riding a 2-wheeler so intuitive (for some!
) damped out a lot of the jerkiness & aggressiveness inherent in the way I did this - the Spyder doesn't have that massive gyroscopic dampener effect built in and it doesn't respond much at all if you only lean or move your weight around -
YOU hafta actively turn;
YOU hafta actively provide the control inputs that trigger & maintain the turn;
YOU hafta actively move your weight and especially your upper body a whole lot more than you do on a 2 wheeled bike if you want to corner harder, go faster, minimise the Nanny inputs; and
YOU hafta actively do it all smoothly and in a flowing manner as you ride, or the Nanny will intervene to protect you from yourself!! :lecturef_smilie:
And once you really get into the groove of smoothly moving with, over, & around your Spyder, dialling in all the necessary weight transfers & control inputs and no more without upsetting the equilibrium of the Spyder as you use your body & control to keep it perfectly balanced and level, or maybe even leaning
IN a little thru the corners, the feeling you get is phenomenal and something I like to strive for on
every ride!! Not only is getting it all together gonna see you smoothly carving thru the tighter corners, short straights, and twisties much faster than any 2-wheeled bike or 4 wheeled vehicle ever could
and see you doing that
WITHOUT the Nanny cutting in, but IMHO you get a much greater feeling of 'exhilarating oneness' with your bike! (And if she's good, your pillion passenger can share this exhilaration with you too!
) A 2-wheeled bike has all that in-built gyroscopic effect to dampen any mistakes you might make and to keep it all together & behaving, but climb aboard one of these things and it's just
you controlling your Spyder and her Nanny; and together, they are much more responsive and directly reactive to & managed by
YOU!! You get it wrong, the Nanny tells you to think about what you did wrong and to smarten up - there's no gyroscopic forces holding things upright or acting to keep you safe!! :lecturef_smilie: It all comes back to
YOU and the wonderful piece of engineering (albeit with a few ideas that failed miserably in their execution :sour: ) that is the machine that
YOU are piloting - do it smoothly, flowing thru feeding in all the control that's necessary and not one bit more or less, then when you do get it right, the Nanny doesn't intervene anywhere near as much and you'll know that you've achieved it -
this time!! 
hyea:
Sorry about the saga, but you did ask....
