Turbocharged Spyder?

[Spydyr]

Has anybody heard of anyone attempting to turbocharge the spyder. I've seen a few turbo motorcycle sites online but haven't seen anything about the spyder. I'm ready for a serious boost of power. I've already changed the exhaust, air filter, and made a cold are intake but none of those mods would compare to forced induction.

 

[AMTJIM]

You are probably going to have to check with Rotax on this one. If this is the very same engine used in all those Aprilia motorcycles as they claim, there have been versions with 30+ more H.P. If they are changing cranks with each application, this unit may have a crank too weak to handle pressurized cylinders that would even make it worth while. Most of the V-twin sportbikes out there have a job specific crank, they have all needed engine work to handle pressure. It may be mod time and I doubt they'll warranty the engine after such a mod. The engine builder may warranty the set-up?
It maybe no problem at all, but would it be any fun with the current VSS set-up and red line/speed limiter? It would be better by-passing the whole VSS and installing a different gearbox. Maybe you could shoe-horn the 1125 engine into the frame...there's another 40 H.P. right there!

 

[Spydyr]

You are probably going to have to check with Rotax on this one. If this is the very same engine used in all those Aprilia motorcycles as they claim, there have been versions with 30+ more H.P. If they are changing cranks with each application, this unit may have a crank too weak to handle pressurized cylinders that would even make it worth while. Most of the V-twin sportbikes out there have a job specific crank, they have all needed engine work to handle pressure. It may be mod time and I doubt they'll warranty the engine after such a mod. The engine builder may warranty the set-up?
It maybe no problem at all, but would it be any fun with the current VSS set-up and red line/speed limiter? It would be better by-passing the whole VSS and installing a different gearbox. Maybe you could shoe-horn the 1125 engine into the frame...there's another 40 H.P. right there!

I don't know about the crank but the aprilia mille gets more horsepower from higher compression and more aggressive camshafts but actually has less torque. As far as the VSS, if I don't grab 2nd too hard it doesn't break the rear tire loose and won't in 3rd and 4th so I don't think getting more power to the pavement when I want it is a problem. As far as a speed limiter goes, from several other posts on here, It is my understanding that there isn't one.

 

[NancysToy]

I would think the ECM would be the limiting factor. Until somebody hacks the system, or comes up with a programmable, replacement chip, the limitations built into the programming will severely limit the amount of fuel that can be added for the extra air, and the timing ignition timing needed for high performance and to prevent frying the pistons on a turbocharged engine. Injector size may also be a limiting factor. As you know, even BRP dealers cannot alter the fuel curve or timing, so the performance limitations are severe. An O2 modifier can only do so much to compensate, too. Maybe we need a turbocharger deliverd by a certified hacker.
-Scotty

 

[daddydarko]

Wow. I love when you grease monkeys get all technical! Dumb it down for the rest of us.

Spydee go faster, yes? :dontknow:

:joke:

I think the biggest performance gains we're going to see are in increased airflow and improved suspension. My $.02.

 

[DragonSpyder]

If you add new cams, pistons, and add one of the several power commander type boxes now available for the Spyder you can add another 40HP. Ken has already done this to at least one Spyder. If you need more there is a Supercharger Kit available but it is very pricey ($7K not installed).

There has been lots of incorrect information on these forums. Folks continue to say there is no way to modify the fuel mixture, It will only go 110MPH, no way to disable the VSS, etc.. If you are looking to make any major modifications to the Spyder I would recommend calling Ken and getting the real story first hand.

 

[daddydarko]

If you add new cams, pistons, and add one of the several power commander type boxes now available for the Spyder you can add another 40HP. Ken has already done this to at least one Spyder. If you need more there is a Supercharger Kit available but it is very pricey ($7K not installed).

There has been lots of incorrect information on these forums. Folks continue to say there is no way to modify the fuel mixture, It will only go 110MPH, no way to disable the VSS, etc.. If you are looking to make any major modifications to the Spyder I would recommend calling Ken and getting the real story first hand.

Dude, there's bad info on every forum. There's lots of good info too. I disagree with you regarding the limiter at 110mph. No way my speedo and GPS are 15mph off. I believe the rev limiter keeps you below 130mph if my math is right.

There have been some questions raised about Ken's performance parts. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but I want to see the Dynos before I make that kind of investment.

Personally, the Spyder is a cruiser and an attention getter. Nothing short of strapping a rocket to it is going to make the Spyder hang with other sportbikes.

 

[DragonSpyder]

Dude, there's bad info on every forum. There's lots of good info too. I disagree with you regarding the limiter at 110mph. No way my speedo and GPS are 15mph off. I believe the rev limiter keeps you below 130mph if my math is right.

There have been some questions raised about Ken's performance parts. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but I want to see the Dynos before I make that kind of investment.

Personally, the Spyder is a cruiser and an attention getter. Nothing short of strapping a rocket to it is going to make the Spyder hang with other sportbikes.

I was stating that the 110 limit was another example of incorrect information. Mine has been up to 121, so I know it can go higher. I agree there is alot of great information on these forums but was trying to make a point.

The only "performance part" that I saw questions raised about is the o2 sensor modifier. If your referring to something else please elaborate.

If the Spyder is capable of 250RWHP, then I have to disagree that we cannot hang with sportbikes. I'm not saying it will be the fastest but it is already faster than most cruisers. I personally don't care for 2wheelers or I would already own a Hayabusa or similar.

 

[daddydarko]

I was stating that the 110 limit was another example of incorrect information. Mine has been up to 121, so I know it can go higher. I agree there is alot of great information on these forums but was trying to make a point.

The only "performance part" that I saw questions raised about is the o2 sensor modifier. If your referring to something else please elaborate.

If the Spyder is capable of 250RWHP, then I have to disagree that we cannot hang with sportbikes. I'm not saying it will be the fastest but it is already faster than most cruisers. I personally don't care for 2wheelers or I would already own a Hayabusa or similar.

*Hug*

 

[NancysToy]

The only "performance part" that I saw questions raised about is the o2 sensor modifier. If your referring to something else please elaborate.

I raised no questions about the O2 modifier. It is a decent performance part. It is not programmable, however, and merely tricks the ECM into thinking it is reading differently. This would likely be insufficent with a highly modified engine. Ken will be the first to bear this out, as he will recommend additional modifications such as his fuel pressure regulator to add additional fuel. None of these fixes are mappable, however. There are ways to address all of this, but not readily, or cheaply, and doing otherwise will almost certainly cost you a blown engine. That is the point I was trying to make. I have built many a race engine, including blown and turbo versions. I am not a rookie. I agree with the philosopy that if you want to go fast, buy a Busa. You can make a VW run fast if you want to, and have enough cash, but there are much easier and cheaper ways to get your kicks.
-Scotty

 

[Spydyr]

If you add new cams, pistons, and add one of the several power commander type boxes now available for the Spyder you can add another 40HP. Ken has already done this to at least one Spyder. If you need more there is a Supercharger Kit available but it is very pricey ($7K not installed).

There has been lots of incorrect information on these forums. Folks continue to say there is no way to modify the fuel mixture, It will only go 110MPH, no way to disable the VSS, etc.. If you are looking to make any major modifications to the Spyder I would recommend calling Ken and getting the real story first hand.

Where can I find information on the supercharger?

 

[DragonSpyder]

http://www.spoonvalleyracing.se/page2.html

 

[daddydarko]

http://www.spoonvalleyracing.se/page2.html

Dead link :dontknow:

Got it now. I must have been up this morning before the website.

 

[AMTJIM]

For 7,000...you could probably buy a used Hyabusa with the 500hp turbo kit installed and have it fitted to the spyder.

 

[bjt]

Dead link :dontknow:

I tried it twice this morning and its worked both times for me. (The second time was when I read your "dead link" post.)

 

[Spydyr]

I read on another forum that www.houseofboost.com is going to be working on a turbo kit for the Spyder. If anyone is interested they should drop them an email.

 

[hondaman]

Im shure a turbo can be done and hold up.I work with a guy at honda who has a honda civic with a turbo etc.has it dyno at allmost 450hp out of a 1.6 liter,we all said it will never hold up,well 3 yrs later it still runs and SMOKED my managers corvette at the track 2 times in 1 day LOL....

 

[LDFIREWORKS]

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IAM VERY INTERESTED AND READY FOR MORE POWER:2thumbs::2thumbs:

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[NancysToy]

There's no replacement for displacement.........:doorag:

There is no substitute for cubic inches.........except rectangular money!
-Scotty

 

[Lamonster]

There's no replacement for displacement.........:doorag:

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