To spyder or not spyder, that is the question...

[ataDude]

BUDS... the software system... can extract exactly how fast and how many RPMs have been "hit". Ask for a BUDS printout.

On the other hand, if in that 17 miles YOU know that you may have exceeded any recommendations, then don't bother.

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Update: day 31

Western service contract denied claims and Malcolm smith motorsports is claiming spyder was abused in those 17 miles I rode and asking either to give them ok to fix spyder on me or pick it up as.

What can I do now?
Small claims court, hire a lawyer? Too small for lawyer?

 

[aka1004]

BUDS... the software system... can extract exactly how fast and how many RPMs have been "hit". Ask for a BUDS printout.

On the other hand, if in that 17 miles YOU know that you may have exceeded any recommendations, then don't bother.

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I am pretty sure I did not and rev-limiter should have kicked in if i got near that point.

 

[aka1004]

Still waiting on copy of buds report to be faxed. They are saying they don't have a copy but they looking in main file cabinet?
They have been working toward pinning this on me from the start so may be they got something else up the sleeve.

I think I will just donate this for tax deduction and call it a day.
If the fight with brp taught me anything it's that you cant win in court of law without money and time and I don't have neither. I don't wanna have to go thru that again with shady lawyers and all.

I itemize on my tax filing so should be good deduction. :clap:

 

[Sny]

Before you go giving it away for a deduction offer it for sale as-is for twice the amount you'll get back on your return. I'll guarantee it'll sell fast at that price even as-is. You normally don't get much more than 20% back unless it bumps you down into another tax bracket... and there's limits... but since you already itemize who knows.

 

[boborgera]

Still waiting on copy of buds report to be faxed. They are saying they don't have a copy but they looking in main file cabinet?
They have been working toward pinning this on me from the start so may be they got something else up the sleeve.

I think I will just donate this for tax deduction and call it a day.
If the fight with brp taught me anything it's that you cant win in court of law without money and time and I don't have neither. I don't wanna have to go thru that again with shady lawyers and all.

I itemize on my tax filing so should be good deduction. :clap:

Did you delete a thread, or am i going nuts.

 

[aka1004]

Did you delete a thread, or am i going nuts.

Yes I did delete that thread. You did not crazy.
Thread wasn't productive. I asked simple question and couple of people gave unsolicited opininons unrelated to the question.

 

[aka1004]

Before you go giving it away for a deduction offer it for sale as-is for twice the amount you'll get back on your return. I'll guarantee it'll sell fast at that price even as-is. You normally don't get much more than 20% back unless it bumps you down into another tax bracket... and there's limits... but since you already itemize who knows.

I will entertain offers if anybody is interested.

I thought of donation because there is a charity in Los Angeles that will give you full value of vehicle as donated amount and they will even give you some cash. So partial cash to me and rest in tax deductible donation

I still need to pay it off so that cash will help.

I am tired of 2 year and 8 month of problems and brp and dealers.
Yes spyder brought a lot of joy when it's not in shop but I need to get out, now before I loose my cool and be on the news.

I really had high hopes when picked up spyder this time A lot of parts on my spyder were replaced and engine was one thing that I never had problems so I thought this could be end of my ordeal when spyder went in for 2nd rebuild because it sounded like a legimate reason why it broke down only after 450 miles.

 

[boborgera]

Yes I did delete that thread. You did not crazy.
Thread wasn't productive. I asked simple question and couple of people gave unsolicited opininons unrelated to the question.

:thumbup::thumbup:

 

[aka1004]

Day 33

Still waiting on buds report.

Neither dealer or claims adjuster is providing the report.

No return call from Carlo after many email and voice mail, just need some info from him.

Owner of dealer is still out of town and he is the only one who can resolve this but he could still be in Canada so i didn't wanna call him on his cell.

 

[Lamonster]

Day 33

Still waiting on buds report.

Neither dealer or claims adjuster is providing the report.
Why can't you go into the dealer and get it? What are you going to do with when you do get it?

No return call from Carlo after many email and voice mail, just need some info from him.
Most of BRP went on vacation after Club. Not sure if Carlo did or not but I did send him your claim number. There are other support groups in the office at BRP. Once again I don't see how this is a BRP issue as much as it is a dealer issue, they rebuilt the motor.

Owner of dealer is still out of town and he is the only one who can resolve this but he could still be in Canada so i didn't wanna call him on his cell.
If he's the only one that can resolve this then you need to call his cell, the Dealer Show is over. I know venting here might make you feel better but all we're hearing is one side of the story and something just don't seem right to me.

:dontknow:

 

[aka1004]

Just got a call from Malcolm motorsports.
They want me to pick up my spyder or storage fee will be applied and they will provide buds report than.

I guess this is how it ends. Me picking up dead spyder.

 

[aka1004]

:dontknow:

If they accuse me of abusing the spyder during that 17 miles I rode it, why not provide proof they already have?
I will be out of town for another week or so that's why I asked them to fax it.

I need to speak with carlo for some info on spyder and he is the only person in brp organization who can provide that info I am told by service reps.

They tore down a good running engine and 2 rebuilds last 450 and 17 miles you are right. Something is not right here.


I am way past venting. I really want to set spyder on fire along with the dealership.

 

[Raptor]

I am sorry to hear that it is going to end this way for you. That dealer messed you over big time. And for BRP to just sit back and let all this happen is even more pathetic.

I had a situation with a Chevy Camaro that we bought brand new years ago where it kept blowing clutches. I was getting a similar run-around from the dealer that you are geting now so I went to Chevy and got to a person of authority who took ownership of the situation, arranged to have the car towed to another dealer where the problem was finally diagnosed properly and after that shop made the right repairs we got 18 years of care-free service from that car. The regional manager who made this happen cared enough and did not want the Chevy name stained by a bad customer experience or a bad dealer. That is what companies that care do. That is why the one car that we own is a Chevy.

BRP should have done the same thing but for some reason they are not stepping up. Again. With this and all the other things you have been through you would think they would at least be a bit curious about it and want to know more and at least try to help. Doesn't say much about BRP, does it?

Best of luck to you and whatever you decide to get next.

 

[Lamonster]

If they accuse me of abusing the spyder during that 17 miles I rode it, why not provide proof they already have?
I will be out of town for another week or so that's why I asked them to fax it.

I need to speak with carlo for some info on spyder and he is the only person in brp organization who can provide that info I am told by service reps.

They tore down a good running engine and 2 rebuilds last 450 and 17 miles you are right. Something is not right here.


I am way past venting. I really want to set spyder on fire along with the dealership.

I've known a few Spyder owners that use Malcolm for their service and I've heard nothing but praise for them so that's why this just don't seem right. If they got the timing on the cam gears wrong it would have shown up as soon as they cranked the motor, not 17 miles later. I hope if they would have done something wrong in the build that they would have owned up to it and from everything I've heard about their shop I have no reason to believe they wouldn't. If you did over rev the motor and floated the valves there will be a record of it on BUDS and you should have that printout from them. If that's the case then you're pretty much screwed, if there is no record of that then you have a strong case to go forward with. I hope you can get it worked out but at this point the dealer must feel pretty strong that it wasn't their fault.

 

[spyder3]

If they accuse me of abusing the spyder during that 17 miles I rode it, why not provide proof they already have?
I will be out of town for another week or so that's why I asked them to fax it.

I need to speak with carlo for some info on spyder and he is the only person in brp organization who can provide that info I am told by service reps.

They tore down a good running engine and 2 rebuilds last 450 and 17 miles you are right. Something is not right here.


I am way past venting. I really want to set spyder on fire along with the dealership.

Given the history here and the second rebuild.....why would you/anyone even think of over revving it? So, did you over rev it? Just asking.

 

[boborgera]

Given the history here and the second rebuild.....why would you/anyone even think of over revving it? So, did you over rev it? Just asking.

I think the question should be ; How can anyone over rev a engine with a [working] REV. LIMETER :dontknow:

 

[aka1004]

Given the history here and the second rebuild.....why would you/anyone even think of over revving it? So, did you over rev it? Just asking.

No one intentionally over revs an engine...
I am pretty sure I didn't. Only reason for"pretty sure" is in case someone asks "do you ride with your eyes glued to techometer?"

If I got close to over revving, limiter should have kicked in.
I asked about breakin of engine and mechanic said no need to baby it so I rode it in normal fashion between 5000-8000.

I asked them to fax buds report but they are refusing to do it.
He said he will give me a copy when or after spyder is picked up.

Called owner but doesn't pick up, talked to sales manager asking him to give me some sort of tradein value as is. He hasn't gotten back to me yet.

When service manager gave me an ultimatum, pick up spyder or give them ok to repair on my dime, I told them legal action will follow but I am not looking forward to that. It will be either donated for tax benefit or trade in for peanuts toward another bike.

I am worn out from two and half years of problems and blaming games.
I gotta get out before I loose it and be on the news. Just out. Right now, I will gladly trade it for ninja 250...

 

[spyder3]

No one intentionally over revs an engine...
I am pretty sure I didn't. Only reason for"pretty sure" is in case someone asks "do you ride with your eyes glued to techometer?"

If I got close to over revving, limiter should have kicked in.
I asked about breakin of engine and mechanic said no need to baby it so I rode it in normal fashion between 5000-8000.

I asked them to fax buds report but they are refusing to do it.
He said he will give me a copy when or after spyder is picked up.

Called owner but doesn't pick up, talked to sales manager asking him to give me some sort of tradein value as is. He hasn't gotten back to me yet.

When service manager gave me an ultimatum, pick up spyder or give them ok to repair on my dime, I told them legal action will follow but I am not looking forward to that. It will be either donated for tax benefit or trade in for peanuts toward another bike.

I am worn out from two and half years of problems and blaming games.
I gotta get out before I loose it and be on the news. Just out. Right now, I will gladly trade it for ninja 250...

Not blaming you at all, if it was done right you should not have had a problem. BUT, it also seems like you certainly pushed it (5000-8000rpm) pretty hard right out of the gate when maybe the thought process could have been to take it nice and easy to the next dealer and trade it in for whatever your next ride is going to be.(assuming it didnt break down driving it easy) I'm just a believer in breaking in new car engines gently as well as rebuilt. It's worked for me...I hope it works out for you.

 

[aka1004]

Not blaming you at all, if it was done right you should not have had a problem. BUT, it also seems like you certainly pushed it (5000-8000rpm) pretty hard right out of the gate when maybe the thought process could have been to take it nice and easy to the next dealer and trade it in for whatever your next ride is going to be.(assuming it didnt break down driving it easy) I'm just a believer in breaking in new car engines gently as well as rebuilt. It's worked for me...I hope it works out for you.

May be you have not read the thread.

I was not looking to trade in my spyder even after 2nd engine rebuild.
I was collecting parts. I bought brp hid, rt shocks, sets of oil change kit from bajaron, screens for front from spyderpop in anticipation of spyder being ready to ride after 3 month.

Spyder is high revving vehicle and I included Rpm range I normally ride in despite of some of you thinking upshifting at 7000 rpm is too high...
It is normal operating range. It cruises at 6000 rpm, almost...


You have no idea the kinda love I had for my spyder. I kept my spyder for 2 Years and 8 month of problems and put almost 40000 miles despite of all the problems and a year of shop time. You could be just a recreational rider but my spyder was way more than just a vehicle to get me around or something to ride on weekend.

 

[aka1004]

Forgot about Carlo calling this afternoon.
He said he can not get in between customer and their business partner aka dealers.

I asked to just provide me the facts.

How brp rev limiter works and how spyder can be over revved

What is over revving for spyder