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Tires General Altimax Opservation

Todd, you have posted a gazillion times above (well.... 3 times;)), that under inflation is “bad” according to several reputable sources. I, and I would imagine most others, agree with that sentiment completely. But what is the point of posting that, when it is not known if even 8psi on a Spyder is in fact “under inflated”?

Pete
 
“Question? Is there that much difference in the Front end handling after switching to a car tires in the Front?”

Yes and No, Cajun.
:D It depends who you speak to. Everyone has different needs and drivers.
The installation of the Ron Bar made a huge difference in front end handling for me, and the Kuhmos not so much, although the F3 does feel more “planted”. Others are as happy as the proverbial pig in ——, with their Kendas. If you are happy with what you are experiencing, there is no necessity to change.

Pete
 
INFORMATION FROM GOVT. AND MTC SOURCES

Todd that is all accurate info ..........The problem is you CAN'T apply it to Spyders using auto tires...... because all their Data comes from car and pick-up trucks using the AUTO type tires on cars and pk-ups ........You appear to a fantastic ability to find obscure data ...... So find some that proves HIGH INFLATION provides more Traction !!!!!!! ( you will be searching for that info for the rest of your life ) ......Mike :thumbup:
 
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FRONT TIRES

A couple of months ago I finally decided to get a General Altimax to replace my rear Kendra. I read a lot of the messages here and its the one I picked. I have been riding on the Kendra trying to get the last mileage out of it. Last week I took it to Dirty Deeds Powersports in Longview TX to have the tire changed. When I drove it home I noticed I was having the same problems yall described when the tire is overinflated, the ride was still a lot smoother. Next morning I checked tire pressure, it was 21 psi. I lowered it to 18 psi cold. My lady and I went out for a test drive.

HOLY SMOKES, SHAZAM !!!!!!!
(Clean version)

Talk about a drastic change in handling and smoothness of ride. Even my lady said it was more comfortable to ride, when hitting bumps in the road the spyder was less bouncy. We like to travel a lot of back roads for enjoyment, those roads are not in the best of shape. They were a lot smoother and it seemed the rear end did not sway nearly as much.

I dropped my lady off at her house and went for a ride one up to see if the same applied. The ride is AWESOME. Should have changed to the General Altimax along time ago.

SO

YES!!! The ride is SOOO much better then the Kendra.

YES !!!! I was amazed at the difference in handling between 21 psi and 18 psi.

Question? Is there that much difference in the Front end handling after switching to a car tires in the Front?
I'll give this a shot :yikes: .... Spyders have a unique dynamic because of the three wheel setup .... I have stated and firmly believe the KENDA tire is weakly/poorly made , it is at the edge of it's weight carrying ability for the RT.....this is fact not my opinion ..... However I'll be real honest about this ... As long as you didn't get a Defective tire and your front alignment is spot on , they could give you 22 to 25,000 miles of wear, Because they have half or less the amount of plies they are more likely to get a flat.... example if you have leather dress gloves on and you are handling say wood how long do you think they will last compared to heavy duty logging gloves ????? ...... that' the difference. There will be a handling difference also , but really sticky ( like Toyo Proxes T1r's ) can provide so much traction the NANNY gets angry and shuts you down..... There has quite a few folks on this Forum who have claimed that as long as you drive SMOOTH , you can go at any speed in any radius curve and you won't trigger the NANNY ....this is pure un-adulterated - BS..... and you don't have to even believe me because the BRP engineers designed the system to prevent you from killing your-self, so believe them. Personally I would recommend switching to Car Tires ALL-around ....Mike :thumbup:
 
I don't see why the data isn't applicable. We are talking a car tire on a car wheel operating on the same roads . The Spyder suspension is more automotive than motorcycle. It possible to have the same load on the rear wheel of a Spyder as one corner of a 3600 pound car . The cornering force should be the same as the car given the same load per tire so it would seem the pressure should be at appropriate levels. Please explain why not using verifiable data.
 
tire pressure testing

I don't see why the data isn't applicable. We are talking a car tire on a car wheel operating on the same roads . The Spyder suspension is more automotive than motorcycle. It possible to have the same load on the rear wheel of a Spyder as one corner of a 3600 pound car . The cornering force should be the same as the car given the same load per tire so it would seem the pressure should be at appropriate levels. Please explain why not using verifiable data.
GREAT point - so maybe you could pump those tires up the MAX and then go out on a rainy day and do some performance testing ....................... then after you are released from the hospital you can post what happened....... Mike :thumbup:
 
You're right it is a great point. Nobody has said to run max pressure but rather an appropriate pressure for the load. By saying I would end up getting hurt testing high pressures shows perhaps you're not quite the expert you would have us believe.
 
Todd that is all accurate info ..........The problem is you CAN'T apply it to Spyders using auto tires...... because all their Data comes from car and pick-up trucks using the AUTO type tires on cars and pk-ups ........You appear to a fantastic ability to find obscure data ...... So find some that proves HIGH INFLATION provides more Traction !!!!!!! ( you will be searching for that info for the rest of your life ) ......Mike :thumbup:
It's NOT obscure data.

OMG... how many times do I have to say this: There is NO science for car tires on motorcycles.



Butt, because you've won a sanctioned drag race and took a class about accident investigation we can ONLY believe your opinion? Sorry to say but it is only opinion, not science.


So a perfect switcheroo on your part BECAUSE you have no data, you challenge me to find increased pressure data about CAR tires on motorcycles now? Now THAT is the most ironic thing I think you have now said.
 
You're right it is a great point. Nobody has said to run max pressure but rather an appropriate pressure for the load. By saying I would end up getting hurt testing high pressures shows perhaps you're not quite the expert you would have us believe.
Yes, exactly.

However, I respect their opinion, like anyone else here, but despise this internet group think when they know they have no science with all of this.

They can just say: these car tires can withstand lower pressures because they aren't carrying the load as a typical car.

Seems reasonable enough, and I rode like this for thousands of miles. But only when I increased my pressures and dialed in my suspension, did I find out that the Spyder was so much more than it was. "Twitchy" issues had more to do with symmetry and balance, and technique. Lowered pressures just masked it for me.

You see, there is also NO science for what they claim about lower pressures! They just proclaim it. For instance:

The design of a tire is made to have SOME air pressure so that the belts, bead, side wall, rubber compound, and tread support the vehicle and have traction. Plus! It is in MOTION. It rotates, accelerates, decelerates, TURNS, stops, and starts.... Lots of physics just with those actions. How does ANYONE know that low pressures in tires do not affect any one, or all, of those things in a negative way?? The ONLY thing they have, and higher pressure users have for that matter, is: "well, I've put xx,xxx miles on it and no problem. Tread wear is great.

That is anecdotal evidence. That is not science.

What about heat generation with "increased traction" of lower pressure tires? Well, I would hypothesize that more surface area to the ground =
more friction =
more heat =
more pressure increase inside the lumen of the tires.
Therefore a larger range, or delta, of possible tire pressure in various conditions: road condition, weather, heat index, time, speed, etc.,etc.

Could the change in tire pressure be an issue for some? Maybe it isn't an issue at all? But if you scream loud enough, proclaim butt science, and abuse emojis it becomes science.

The group think is this: lower pressure means safety. But, you don't know. Just speculation. And, even if you're right you don't know what the RANGE of safety is with PSI is with car tires on Spyders. So, we ONLY have anecdotal evidence on a web forum. So, I'll add to it:

I have Yokohamas x 3 and have 10,000 miles on them. Run 26psi up front and 28psi in the back. I love the way it handles and have not had one problem riding through windy rainy roads or 99+mph on highways.
 
...the (front) Kenda's can give decent mileage ( 22 to 28,000 avg. ), because each tire only supports half of what is on the rear tire ( approx. ) they wear ok. When they wear out and get replaced with an Auto tire the performance and mileage increase by quite a bit ( 35 to 45,000 avg. ).....Mike :thumbup:
I'm too lazy to provide pictures, but my front Kendas still have at least 25% tread remaining at over 58,000 miles! :yes:

They are not the best, I know, but seem adequate for my situation. All the roads here are boringly straight and level, no "twisties" whatsoever, so I guess that's why they've held up so long. I wouldn't recommend anyone else run them that long, but thought I'd share this unusual performance. ;)
 
The proof is in the pudding............................... nojoke


It has been proven since 2008 by nearly all owners that lower tire pressures are better for the Spyder and the riders comfort zone. Mike is 100% correct on this topic. :thumbup:


Insert emoji abuse here...…………. :roflblack::doorag::joke::shocked::clap::bbq::2thumbs::ani29::doorag::joke::agree::p:firstplace::yes::ohyea::p:cheers:
 
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The proof is in the pudding.... It has been proven since 2008 by nearly all owners that lower tire pressures are better for the Spyder and the riders comfort zone. Mike is 100% correct on this topic. :thumbup:
Sorry, but you are confusing 'proof' with group-think. As usual. nojoke
 
Sorry, but you are confusing 'proof' with group-think. As usual. nojoke





This isn't about group think...…………………. It was about testing and reporting back on what works or how it made the rider feel. The general consensus is, riders reported that the spyder handled better with lower pressure and the rider felt more comfortable during operation. You would be hard pressed to find any posts where the rider said it made things worse. I would consider 10 years of owners testing and reporting back to be proof.


Are you going to apply your same "group think" principle for the Baja sway bar ?????? How about HID/LED headlights, Baker air wings or any other products that enhance the ride ???????

No, because they work !!!!!! nojoke
 
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This isn't about group think...…………………. It was about testing and reporting back on what works or how it made the rider feel. The general consensus is, riders reported that the spyder handled better with lower pressure and the rider felt more comfortable during operation. You would be hard pressed to find any posts where the rider said it made things worse. I would consider 10 years of owners testing and reporting back to be proof. Are you going to apply your same "group think" principle for the Baja sway bar ?????? How about HID/LED headlights, Baker air wings or any other products that enhance the ride ???????

No, because they work !!!!!! nojoke
Consensus isn't 'proof'
 
OUTSPOKEN HOT CHICK

Holly you realllllllllllllllllllllly nailed it on this one ( not unusual ) ........ Why Bob thought this wasn't an appropriate post ????? well you know how Bob posts ........... Whichever way the " LOUDEST " group think is going ....He's definitely on-board....... :roflblack: ............. Mike :thumbup:
 
Did anybody think to ask Easy Rider if he has tried anything other than an OEM Kenda tire? :dontknow:

I've mentioned in the past that I probably WILL in the near future.
And when I do, I certainly will try running them a few pounds lower than the recommendation for the thin and flimsy Kenda's.

BUT......that does not mean that it is appropriate to say that it is good to run lower pressures in ALL tires on the Spyders.......because that just isn't true.

(No I will not reply to any claims to the contrary.)
 
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