Thermal Paste? Never Sieze?

[buck1234]

Please help me fellow riders. Is this Thermal Paste for our spark plugs something or just new speak for Never Sieze. I have been using never sieze on every motorcycle, car, truck, lawnmower, chainsaw, for over 42 years. I have never had a plug sieze in the cylinder head or any other High heat situation. I've even used silver never sieze in realllllllllllllll hot spots.

Please tell me it's just another manufacturers ploy to get more money.

If it is legit, then where do I buy it and is it available commercialy for less than from BRP?

Thank you for your help in advance

Buck1234 :2thumbs: :yes:

 

[groundeffect]

Hello there.

The thermal paste is indeed HIGHLY recommended by BRP when checking/replacing the spark plugs in the Spyder. It does work to help displace heat and should always be used.


If you don't want a massive tube of it like the dealer's have, you can purchase a smaller tube to do the job, as I understand it, it is the same base thermal paste, available for purchase at The Source / Radio Shack.


Cheers.

 

[groundeffect]

The part number at The Source / Radio shack is: 276-1372A

Here is a thread you may be intersted in reading over.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18457&highlight=paste
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Dean

 

[SpyderWolf]

The part number at The Source / Radio shack is: 276-1372A

Here is a thread you may be intersted in reading over.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18457&highlight=paste
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Dean

:agree: and that is exactly what I used. I think it was around $3 for the tube.

 

[NancysToy]

It is not the same. Be careful, some anti-seize compounds will increase electrolytic corrosion. They are not as efficient in transferring heat, either. Use a silicon based heat sink compound from Radio Shack or another supplier, or buy the big tube from BRP for $45-$60. There are other heat sink compounds at Radio Shack. I would shy away from the ceramic or silver based compounds. Who knows their interaction between the steel plug and the alloy head? Go with what BRP recommends. JMHO

 

[boborgera]

Please help me fellow riders. Is this Thermal Paste for our spark plugs something or just new speak for Never Sieze. I have been using never sieze on every motorcycle, car, truck, lawnmower, chainsaw, for over 42 years. I have never had a plug sieze in the cylinder head or any other High heat situation. I've even used silver never sieze in realllllllllllllll hot spots.

Please tell me it's just another manufacturers ploy to get more money.

If it is legit, then where do I buy it and is it available commercialy for less than from BRP?

Thank you for your help in advance

Buck1234 :2thumbs: :yes:

:dontknow:
I though the same, but this is some thing relatively new.
When i buy plugs at Auto Zone the first thing they asked me do you want heat paste with that.
Akin to, Mickey D's do you want fries with what,.

 

[BajaRon]

It is not the same. Be careful, some anti-seize compounds will increase electrolytic corrosion. They are not as efficient in transferring heat, either. Use a silicon based heat sink compound from Radio Shack or another supplier, or buy the big tube from BRP for $45-$60. There are other heat sink compounds at Radio Shack. I would shy away from the ceramic or silver based compounds. Who knows their interaction between the steel plug and the alloy head? Go with what BRP recommends. JMHO

I don't know Scotty, both Ceramic and Silver are pretty neutral compounds. I'm using the silver based so we'll see how that goes. I would be surprised if there are any issues.

Silver is a better heat transfer compound than silicone. I think the BRP recommendation is based more on getting the job done with a less expensive product than issues with silver or ceramic.

I'm pretty sure all of the thermal pastes are non-reactive/corrosive. Otherwise, they wound not be good in computer applications.

 

[NancysToy]

I don't know Scotty, both Ceramic and Silver are pretty neutral compounds. I'm using the silver based so we'll see how that goes. I would be surprised if there are any issues.

Silver is a better heat transfer compound than silicone. I think the BRP recommendation is based more on getting the job done with a less expensive product than issues with silver or ceramic.

I'm pretty sure all of the thermal pastes are non-reactive/corrosive. Otherwise, they wound not be good in computer applications.

I tend to agree, but it is an unknown. I shy away from such things, generally....who knows what lurks in the Twilight Zone? I would also agree with getting the job done with a less expensive product, but an MSRP of $60 for a tube of the BRP paste ain't cheap! :roflblack:

 

[BajaRon]

I tend to agree, but it is an unknown. I shy away from such things, generally....who knows what lurks in the Twilight Zone? I would also agree with getting the job done with a less expensive product, but an MSRP of $60 for a tube of the BRP paste ain't cheap! :roflblack:

The BRP tube is pretty big, isn't it? I was basing my statement on realitive prices for the same size (small) tubes for each product.

Yes, the unknown. That does get me into trouble at times. Things that I thought should work just fine don't. And usually it's plain as to why, after the fact.

But I usually get away with my 'experiments' and so I keep trying. I enjoy the 'Thrill of Victory' and try to keep the 'Agony of Defeat' to a minimum.

 

[NancysToy]

The BRP tube is pretty big, isn't it? I was basing my statement on realitive prices for the same size (small) tubes for each product.

Yes, the unknown. That does get me into trouble at times. Things that I thought should work just fine don't. And usually it's plain as to why, after the fact.

But I usually get away with my 'experiments' and so I keep trying. I enjoy the 'Thrill of Victory' and try to keep the 'Agony of Defeat' to a minimum.

Yes, the BRP tube is huge! So is their dielectric grease. At the rate you use either, you are buying a lifetime supply.

The unknown has a strong draw for the average gearhead. I guess it is just our nature. I think the engineer in me tempers it a bit, so I am fairly conservative...especially if there is a "known" alternative. Call me a fuddy-duddy, I guess.....or call me a Crazy Frog. :roflblack:

 

[Roger]

Use what is recommended but rest assured you can use never seize engine rebuilders use it regularly on valve stems so it will work.

 

[BajaRon]

Use what is recommended but rest assured you can use never seize engine rebuilders use it regularly on valve stems so it will work.

A valve stem application is completely different than our spark plug useage.

A new valve has to opperate for a realitively long time before oil gets to it in a new rebuild. Especially if you don't spin the oil pump manually first. Anti-seize keeps the otherwise dry valve and guide lubricated (for sure) until oil arrives. After awhile it goes away but that's fine.

Our spark plugs don't need lubrication. They need thermal transfer of heat absorbed from the combustion chamber, to the threads in the cylinder head.

Two totally different requirements and why anti-seize isn't going to get the job done.

 

[max continuous]

Could you use the paste I get at the hobby store ?
I use it when applying heat sinks to electric engines.
Hey Scotty....did you do a little PG-13 touch up on that avatar of yours? It's not as anatomically correct as i remember it.:roflblack:
Max

 

[BajaRon]

Could you use the paste I get at the hobby store ?
I use it when applying heat sinks to electric engines.
Hey Scotty....did you do a little PG-13 touch up on that avatar of yours? It's not as anatomically correct as i remember it.:roflblack:
Max

My advise is yes, if you're using it on heat sinks it should work just fine for the Spyder spark plug install. However, Scotty would want to know which formulation you're using before he blessed it.

I can't say that Scotty is wrong here...Just that I'm betting that he is.

 

[NancysToy]

My advise is yes, if you're using it on heat sinks it should work just fine for the Spyder spark plug install. However, Scotty would want to know which formulation you're using before he blessed it.

I can't say that Scotty is wrong here...Just that I'm betting that he is.

Maybe so, I'm just conservative by nature. Anything is better than nothing, I'm sure. I know corrosion is a concern with electronics, so the other compounds are probably fine, as you said. Not sure they would pass the warranty test, if that issue ever arose, however. I am still puzzled as to how the bronze or molybdenum in anti-sieze compounds can provoke corrosion, but a product containing silver would not. All are dissimilar metals. My last chemistry class was some 40 years ago, so I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me if I stick with what I know and understand. In case anybody has not noticed, my opinions are worth no more than anybody else's here. Two cents worth is two cents worth.