ARtraveler
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TERROR ATTACK IN MANHATTAN
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JerryB
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Hi SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN,
Re: i am actually a proponent of those who are innocent and . . .
Re: innocent until proven guilty
So what is it that you want that is still within people's rights?
Jerry Baumchen
PS) Like Tim McVeigh, I have not doubt that this guy will be found guilty.
Re: i am actually a proponent of those who are innocent and . . .
Re: innocent until proven guilty
So what is it that you want that is still within people's rights?
Jerry Baumchen
PS) Like Tim McVeigh, I have not doubt that this guy will be found guilty.
It was NOT obvious who you meant by 'they', which is why I said what I did. I didn't insert the reference to muslims into this thread - that happened many posts ago. Your statement seemed to be directed at them, but since it was so vague I thought I would ask you to clarify.
Now, you deny directing your comments at muslims, but say you were talking about 'people who murder innocent civilians, journalists and POW's. Huh? Which people are you talking about then? Russians?
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ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Sometimes, a reply is just a lost cause. No hard fast opinion will get changed. Just another twanger gets plucked...and more rhetoric.
You're probably right. I hate it when that happens :joke:
Bob Denman
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Pete,
Maybe he was talking about... murderers? :dontknow:
They DO come in different flavors... :roflblack:
But only murderers who skin their victims alive, run them over with tank treads, behead them! Hmmm...I wonder who that could be?
I am beginning to think that what is wrong with our world is that there are way too many people with fixed opinions - note I did not say thoughts, as that would require actual thinking.
The point of any terrorism is to change the way of life of those subjected to it ...
The more we are sucked into stereotypes and give credibility to sound bites, the more this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Anger, anxiety and bias rules...
The point of any terrorism is to change the way of life of those subjected to it ...
The more we are sucked into stereotypes and give credibility to sound bites, the more this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Anger, anxiety and bias rules...
As far as I'm concerned, the terrorists have already won. We are no longer the land of the free and home of the brave. We have given up so many of our freedoms in in exchange for government protection from harm (all types). I won't fly on commercial airlines any more because of our monumentally stupid, invasive and expensive TSA programs. Now we're talking about building a 2,000 miles, 14 foot wall to protect us from Mexicans.... how brave is THAT?
We've gone to war with countries that have not threatened us in any way, just to try to eliminate the terrorist threat (and how is that working out?). Osama Bin Laden's aim (and ISIS') with terrorism is to turn us against ourselves, have us spend our Treasury fighting an invisible enemy, and watch us crumble from within. And, it's working very well.
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classicvw
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Exactly what/who I was referring to. Pete is behaving like a troll, putting words in people's mouths.
I don't care what religion, color, or nationality a criminal is, if you're a criminal, you're a criminal and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
Bob Denman
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This is an easy one: Bad people... VERY bad people! :shocked:I don't think that you can assign these types of murders to any on particular type of criminal...
The Germans used their tank treads to the best possible advantage that they could...
The guillotine cut off a bunch of heads in France...
As far as skinning the victim: I think that the "Governator" took care of that evil dude!
ClassicVW, I think we can agree that the actions of terrorists are repulsive and we would like to see an end to the threat they pose for civilized society. I think we also can agree that there will never be an end to the atrocious way some humans treat other humans, usually in the name of some ideology; it has been going on for all of recorded history.
What we seem to disagree on is how we, as decent human beings, should deal with individual terrorists of foreign descent or non-Christian faith who visit such atrocities on us on our own soil. I'm saying that in my opinion, the actions you and others would like to see taken upon such people seem barbaric and bigoted and not in keeping with my values.
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classicvw
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I'll say it again. My comments never were meant to be only against Muslim murderers. I never wrote the word Muslim. YOU assumed I meant Muslim, but now I've told you 3X I didn't. Yes, I may have an extreme view or lack of patience w/r/t this one murderer from the other day in NYC but his religious beliefs isn't the reason. The reason is he's an admittedly proud mass murderer of civilians.
Now you're still bringing up non-Christian and foreign, which are not terms I used. You're still trying to put these words in my mouth because you've dug yourself in deep with your assumptions and you're looking to gloss over what you previously said.
In my almost 40 year career I never cared if the person I arrested for murder or anything else was black, white, Hispanic, Christian, Jew or Muslim. (Never asked anyone their religion) The only thing that mattered was if they were the one that had done the particular crime.
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JerryB
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Hi Pete,
Re: What we seem to disagree on is how we, as decent human beings, should deal with individual terrorists of foreign descent or non-Christian faith who visit such atrocities on us on our own soil. I'm saying that in my opinion, the actions you and others would like to see taken upon such people seem barbaric and bigoted and not in keeping with my values.
^^^^^^^^ This.
I could not have put it better,
Jerry Baumchen
Re: What we seem to disagree on is how we, as decent human beings, should deal with individual terrorists of foreign descent or non-Christian faith who visit such atrocities on us on our own soil. I'm saying that in my opinion, the actions you and others would like to see taken upon such people seem barbaric and bigoted and not in keeping with my values.
^^^^^^^^ This.
I could not have put it better,
Jerry Baumchen
The thread was about the NY terrorist attack by a muslim immigrant, so I might have made some incorrect assumptions. In which case I apologize.
And, let me thank you for your service as an LEO.nojoke
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wyliec
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Just as an aside, I'll say things just to see how others respond, especially when someone says something to flex their internet muscles. So, others may very well share your values, just not showing it at the time. I do it sometimes just to give my self a chuckle. This has nothing to do with classicvw, in case he reads this and thinks I was referring to him.
On these controversial topics, take every thing with a grain of salt.
