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Technical Guys time to unite

Cambello

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I know you guys by now and I know the wealth of knowledge on this forum so I'm thinking of really putting it all to the test!!!!!!!!!!.

For my next project I'm thinking of fitting a Hydrogen generator to my
:spyder2:. And linking it up to fuel intake. Now to do this is going to take a lot of R&D if it hasn't been done to a :spyder2: before. So who's in and who's out?
 
I have to watch also. :bbq::bbq::bbq: But, the subject matter is interesting.

Will it void the warranty? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
 
I may not be as technical as the others........but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one time...LOL :popcorn:
 
I know you guys by now and I know the wealth of knowledge on this forum so I'm thinking of really putting it all to the test!!!!!!!!!!.

For my next project I'm thinking of fitting a Hydrogen generator to my
:spyder2:. And linking it up to fuel intake. Now to do this is going to take a lot of R&D if it hasn't been done to a :spyder2: before. So who's in and who's out?

Interesting that this subject pops up all over the place...

Fact, you can't make more energy... which is what the salesperson tries to convince you. At every conversion of energy from one form to another results in losses of energy usually to heat.

Think about it for a moment... you burn gas to turn an engine to turn an alternator then convert AC to DC then force the hydrogen out of water with DC current then put the little bit of hydrogen energy back in your engine. Your net loss is big time in energy.

There is one exception to hydrogen power, if you have free electricity like you stole a truck load of solar panels or you have jumpers on your meter or someone left you a hydro power plant then it is a good deal to drive a hydrogen powered vehicle.

nojoke

JT
 
I assume that you will be towing the hydrogen generator behind the Spyder. Otherwise, you would have to put it on you back seat. I think you would be better to eat a lot of beans and go for the methane generator. It doesn't take up any more room. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
 
Well..!!

not much we can do from here but an audience you will have. We will be watching for updates if you get this project off the ground. Sounds like a challenge good luck...:2thumbs:
 
SORTED

OK, well that sorted that one out hehehehe OK then looks like I'm sailing this ship alone. No problems but I might need you guys to help out from time to time, just don't go a runnin when I comin a knockin , once i get all the details together i'll do a thread,:thumbup:
 
Promising Venture

Who knows? This might just work!!!! Kinda' sketchy on the details though. If you are able to keep everything together, and all your fingers attached (among other things), you just might be on to something!!! If it works out for you, you have the backing of a healthy community of Spyder Ryders who have your back. And on that note, if this turns out to be another "Manhattan Project", be assured that we will plead the 5th!!!!
Good luck with your venture. Keep us posted!!!!
 
OK, well that sorted that one out hehehehe OK then looks like I'm sailing this ship alone. No problems but I might need you guys to help out from time to time, just don't go a runnin when I comin a knockin , once i get all the details together i'll do a thread,:thumbup:


Ok, so you were not joking.

What is it that you think you are going to build. You have been pretty sketchy. Likely why I thought you were joking.

My engineering background is in heat transfer and energy conversion.

I will start off by saying that on planet earth, hydrogen is an energy storage device, not an energy source. We have almost no natural sources of free element hydrogen. Hydrogen must be either liberated from water using large amounts of electric current, or it can be liberated from hydrocarbons, usually natural gas at high temperature and in the presence of water vapor. (this is called a steam methane reformer if you want to look up the tech. Its how almost all commercial quantities of hydrogen are produced today).

Both use FAR more energy input to do the hydrogen separation than is gained when the hydrogen is 'consumed' to produce power either in a combustion engine or in a fuel cell. As I said, hydrogen is an energy storage method. Like a battery. You use energy to produce the hydrogen, transport it somewhere else and let the hydrogen produce the energy you need at the new location.

You cannot get more energy out than you put in. Simple laws of physics. In fact, do to inefficiencies, you cannot even break even. Not even close in the case of hydrogen. This is also why hydrogen powered vehicles have never been produced in quantity. They work fine, but the hydrogen has to come from somewhere and it consumes more energy than you would have burning the gasoline in the first place. Much more energy lost. Hydrogen powered vehicles are VERY fuel wasteful. As in 1 to 2 MPG equivalent for a little Honda Civic. They will never make economic sense unless free sources of electric power are someday found. Don't hold your breath. Even then, conventional electric motors are far more efficient.
 
Seriously, I came across plans for some type of conversion last night while going thru stuff.

Me neighbor wanted to try it, told him pick the trash and find an old horizontal shaft edger to use as abase platform.

So, I'll check, but I might have the plans for this.

I'm in.

PK
 
DARN!!!!

Ok, so you were not joking.

What is it that you think you are going to build. You have been pretty sketchy. Likely why I thought you were joking.

My engineering background is in heat transfer and energy conversion.

I will start off by saying that on planet earth, hydrogen is an energy storage device, not an energy source. We have almost no natural sources of free element hydrogen. Hydrogen must be either liberated from water using large amounts of electric current, or it can be liberated from hydrocarbons, usually natural gas at high temperature and in the presence of water vapor. (this is called a steam methane reformer if you want to look up the tech. Its how almost all commercial quantities of hydrogen are produced today).

Both use FAR more energy input to do the hydrogen separation than is gained when the hydrogen is 'consumed' to produce power either in a combustion engine or in a fuel cell. As I said, hydrogen is an energy storage method. Like a battery. You use energy to produce the hydrogen, transport it somewhere else and let the hydrogen produce the energy you need at the new location.

You cannot get more energy out than you put in. Simple laws of physics. In fact, do to inefficiencies, you cannot even break even. Not even close in the case of hydrogen. This is also why hydrogen powered vehicles have never been produced in quantity. They work fine, but the hydrogen has to come from somewhere and it consumes more energy than you would have burning the gasoline in the first place. Much more energy lost. Hydrogen powered vehicles are VERY fuel wasteful. As in 1 to 2 MPG equivalent for a little Honda Civic. They will never make economic sense unless free sources of electric power are someday found. Don't hold your breath. Even then, conventional electric motors are far more efficient.


And I thought I was getting ready to get rich by backing this project!!!!!!:gaah:
 
It is always fun to hear about someone building a perpetual motion machine. This version has been around for more than forty years. Funny I have never heard of someone making it work. Well that's a surprise. ;)
 
If I wasn't currently working on a dilithium crystal powered propulsion system I would jump in. I'm finding out, it's harder than I thought.
 
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