I don't have a 2013, but was thinking. I believe I read that the links are the same on the 2013 as they are for prior years (2008 thru 2012), so maybe the problem is the new higher position of the shocks?
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Sway bar link just broke :(
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I don't have a 2013, but was thinking. I believe I read that the links are the same on the 2013 as they are for prior years (2008 thru 2012), so maybe the problem is the new higher position of the shocks?
SpyderAnn01
Active member
There was one RT and one ST with the BajaRon swaybar that had the problem but there are several with the stock bar that have also had the problem. The problem is not the swaybar but the joint itself.
Yelhelp
New member
Not just the 2013
I too have a broken link and just got two replacements that I will be putting on this AM. I have Rons anti-Sway bar and elka shocks with the new top pcs. Mine is a 2011 and I think it may have been broken a while. I plan on trying the factory links, but if they break again I have a set up in metal and that will be the next step. I got the metal from a speed shop and they had lots to pick from. :banghead:
I too have a broken link and just got two replacements that I will be putting on this AM. I have Rons anti-Sway bar and elka shocks with the new top pcs. Mine is a 2011 and I think it may have been broken a while. I plan on trying the factory links, but if they break again I have a set up in metal and that will be the next step. I got the metal from a speed shop and they had lots to pick from. :banghead:
Bob Denman
New member
:dontknow: How many plagues did Egypt have to endure, before Moses got the heck out of there? :dontknow:
BajaRon
Well-known member
It has nothing to do with the shocks.
It is simply a matter of the stress exceeding the limits of the link. But since the 2013's use the same link as previous models, and since there have been almost zero problems with previous models (stock or custom sway bar installed) and since there have been several link failures with the stock 2013 sway bar, and since there seem to be quality control issues with other components on the 2013's, it appears that it is the link capabilities that are suspect in the specific cases where breakage has occurred.
If all of the links had the same stress limit then all would be fine or all would be breaking. At least on the RT's since they come stock with the stiffest sway bar and produce the highest amount of stress on these links. But even the ST's are having issues and the stock sway bar on this model is much weaker than on the RT's.
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Bob Denman
New member
Ron,
A stray thought just landed in my empty head... :yikes:
Since the new shock angle makes them more resistant to leaning over due to lateral forces; could that lack of "give" in the system be what is causing the overload to the links? :dontknow:
A stray thought just landed in my empty head... :yikes:
Since the new shock angle makes them more resistant to leaning over due to lateral forces; could that lack of "give" in the system be what is causing the overload to the links? :dontknow:
cjackg
New member
...interesting that there is also a recent case where a link broke on a 2011 with the relocators but previously there was almost no link failures on the pre-13 models... :dontknow:
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BajaRon
Well-known member
I installed the Baha Ron sway bar and rode to FlaThe bar works great but I just got back from a short ride w my daughter and heard a loud pop and sure as **** the plastic link on the right side is broke.. Am I gonna have any problems riding this back home to Michigan or should I get it fixed before I leave ??? There was a thread abt another guy who broke one too.. I tried to find the thread but couldn't .. If that guy could pm me and let me know what HARD PARTS ie steel replacements he used that would be great
Mike, if you get the chance call me at 423-552-3720.
Thanks!
Bob Ledford
New member
Time to Re-group
Me thinks it may be time for everyone to fall back a step or two and re-group our thoughts. There maybe a problem with the BRP vendors plastic fiber links anf it just may have been a freaking single or double event.
I talked to my Dealer's Service Manager this morning about he subject and he went on line to some secret BRP database that is on line and did a search and came up with one incident that they are aware of at this time.
If Ron's bar is or is not at fault I am quite sure he is aware and working at coming up with a good cure for the out of warranty Spyder owners. That is the American way, turn an unfortunate incident into a product improvement part and market it. That is capitalism in its prime and I see nothing wrong with that philosophy.
What we need guidance on is how to detect if our individual Spyders are at risk and what to do as a result should we be driving down the road when one lets go, POP! I know what I would do, first thing is pull off the road, get over the shakes, inspect my Spyder as best I could at the time, break out a bottle of water, sit down and scream as loud as I could "AWE SHOOT!" Then get on the cellphone and come up with a Plan A & B and start my rescue/recovery operation.
As I understand from reading the previous 2 pages of commentary what is needed is the model year, model # and date of manufacture at this point and all of these are available from the label affixed to the left rear trailing arm. I suppose it would be a benefit to the new owners to have the above information to help folks like Ron compile their needed information and the dealers to do their jobs of keeping our Spyder's on the road. But I don't really anticipate a problem as my Spyder is a 2011 RTL SE-5.
Me thinks it may be time for everyone to fall back a step or two and re-group our thoughts. There maybe a problem with the BRP vendors plastic fiber links anf it just may have been a freaking single or double event.
I talked to my Dealer's Service Manager this morning about he subject and he went on line to some secret BRP database that is on line and did a search and came up with one incident that they are aware of at this time.
If Ron's bar is or is not at fault I am quite sure he is aware and working at coming up with a good cure for the out of warranty Spyder owners. That is the American way, turn an unfortunate incident into a product improvement part and market it. That is capitalism in its prime and I see nothing wrong with that philosophy.
What we need guidance on is how to detect if our individual Spyders are at risk and what to do as a result should we be driving down the road when one lets go, POP! I know what I would do, first thing is pull off the road, get over the shakes, inspect my Spyder as best I could at the time, break out a bottle of water, sit down and scream as loud as I could "AWE SHOOT!" Then get on the cellphone and come up with a Plan A & B and start my rescue/recovery operation.
As I understand from reading the previous 2 pages of commentary what is needed is the model year, model # and date of manufacture at this point and all of these are available from the label affixed to the left rear trailing arm. I suppose it would be a benefit to the new owners to have the above information to help folks like Ron compile their needed information and the dealers to do their jobs of keeping our Spyder's on the road. But I don't really anticipate a problem as my Spyder is a 2011 RTL SE-5.
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Oklahoma Spyder
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Oklahoma Spyder
New member
Jeriatric
Thinks out loud
Okie Spyder. fwiw - some dealers have a minimum order limit and wait till they have reached that before ordering. Not saying that is your case, nor am I accusing your dealer of anything. Simply something to be aware of. We've heard of dealers saying it's on back order when in fact it had not been ordered yet.
BajaRon
Well-known member
I have to agree with you there. I know it happens. But in this case they aren't kidding. This is what the parts listing shows.
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[TD="class: Description"]Tie Rod[/TD]
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Here is my theory... Take it for what it's costing you.
BRP knows there is a problem with this latest batch of 'Tie Rods' (don't know why in the world they are called this but there you go). Anyway, finding that there is a rash of breakage, they don't want to send bad product out so they take them 'Off the Shelf' so to speak, until they can figure out what's up and get some better parts in.
2nd theory... There are so many of these needing to be replaced that it exhausted BRP's supply. You have to think this part has not been a huge mover since we've only heard of a few breaking in the last 5 years. So, BRP probably did not have a big supply of them on hand to start with. Probably little more than was needed for production of new Spyders.
Jeriatric
Thinks out loud
I have to agree with you there. I know it happens. But in this case they aren't kidding. This is what the parts listing shows.
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[TD="class: ReferenceNumber"]26
[/TD]
[TD="class: PartNumber"]706200671
[/TD]
[TD="class: Description"]Tie Rod
[/TD]
[TD="class: Price, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: Availability"]Not Available
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Here is my theory... Take it for what it's costing you.
BRP knows there is a problem with this latest batch of 'Tie Rods' (don't know why in the world they are called this but there you go). Anyway, finding that there is a rash of breakage, they don't want to send bad product out so they take them 'Off the Shelf' so to speak, until they can figure out what's up and get some better parts in.
2nd theory... There are so many of these needing to be replaced that it exhausted BRP's supply. You have to think this part has not been a huge mover since we've only heard of a few breaking in the last 5 years. So, BRP probably did not have a big supply of them on hand to start with. Probably little more than was needed for production of new Spyders.
Well folks. Looks like it's time to start riding like Grandma.......
Huddleston
New member
My ride is a 2013 Spyder RTS SE5 with BajaRons' excellent sway bar installed. My Heim Link has not broken. However, after reading these posts I examined my links to see what was going on. My RTS was parked in my garage. What I found was that both links, left and right, had twists in the black plastic part of the links. The left link was actually twisted almost 90 degrees and looked like an "S". This is not supposed to happen. The black plastic portion should remain stable and the metal "swivel" portion of the link should turn. I do not know why the left one had not already broken. I took both links off the Spyder and found that the swivel part was locked on both ends. This means that I could not turn them with my hands. I then inserted a screw driver and was able with right much force to make them move. They should move easily with your fingers. So, I lubricated the swivel with oil first, and then grease. After that, they move reasonably easily with my fingers. I reinstalled the links on my Spyder, and took it for a ride. Everything performed as expected, and I returned to my garage. I then looked at the links and both were not twisted, as they should be. I believe the heim link may be defective, in that the metal swivel does not move freely inside the plastic portion of the link. The problem has nothing to do with BajaRon's excellent sway bar. My 2 cents worth.
JJW SpyderRider
New member
Good find! Sounds like the heim link is stiff as as the ball joints.
Bob Denman
New member
That certainly DOES seem possible... :thumbup:
Huddleston: :clap: :firstplace:
Huddleston: :clap: :firstplace:
Kungfuspyder
New member
Got me thinking, check it and all is good
After reading dozens of posts on the sway bar plastic pieces breaking, I thought I should check mine. I have Baja Ron's sway bar and Elkas and shock relocators on my 2012 RT/LTD, I found nothing broken or twisted. I am an aggressive rider and like to push my RT to the max. So far everything is grand on my RT. The 14k service checked out excellent on it, the tech was impressed with all the new mods for the steering and suspension that I had added. Hoping that those with these problems get them resolved in a good and safe manner.
After reading dozens of posts on the sway bar plastic pieces breaking, I thought I should check mine. I have Baja Ron's sway bar and Elkas and shock relocators on my 2012 RT/LTD, I found nothing broken or twisted. I am an aggressive rider and like to push my RT to the max. So far everything is grand on my RT. The 14k service checked out excellent on it, the tech was impressed with all the new mods for the steering and suspension that I had added. Hoping that those with these problems get them resolved in a good and safe manner.
Huddleston
New member
All I know is what I saw on my machine. After that, please keep me forever synonymous lest I besmirch your reparations.
BajaRon
Well-known member
It is important to keep our issues properly separated into their respective baskets.
The pre-2013 Spyders (both RS and RT models) have suffered few, very few link problems, with OEM or Custom sway bars. And there are quite a few of these that have run thousands of miles trouble free.
It is the 2013's (all models) that are seeing elevated levels of link breakage. I am not sure it is an epidemic, but the fact that BRP has no replacement parts is not a good omen, short term. This was unexpected, I'm sure, for BRP and it certainly has taken me by surprise.
But we are not all in the same boat here so make sure you have your ducks and your chickens separated.
The pre-2013 Spyders (both RS and RT models) have suffered few, very few link problems, with OEM or Custom sway bars. And there are quite a few of these that have run thousands of miles trouble free.
It is the 2013's (all models) that are seeing elevated levels of link breakage. I am not sure it is an epidemic, but the fact that BRP has no replacement parts is not a good omen, short term. This was unexpected, I'm sure, for BRP and it certainly has taken me by surprise.
But we are not all in the same boat here so make sure you have your ducks and your chickens separated.
