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stripped oil plug

BLUEKNIGHT911 said:
Doc, if trying to get the OP to give a better explanation of what He's referring to rather than just me doing the SWAG thing is somehow NOT PROPER ....well just chalk that up to me a Cop for 37 years where you just weren't allowed to GUESS what someone said :yikes:........ Mike :thumbup:
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I got out of the Corps in '93 and worked in a Federal Penn for 22 years. I had to deal with all the crap you put in jail!!
 
yep dimple snapped in half

beefybudds said:
I would get a gold plug.
I had a dimple plug snap in 2 leaving half the plug in the clutch cover. It was a $1100 job to get replaced.
There is also another forum member who had the same plug snap in the same spot.
I did compare both dimple and gold plugs and the gold plug seems like a better quality product.
Just a note that the dealer installed the dimple plug during first oil change.
They claimed they did not over torqued the plug.
Also the member who had the same problem happen also claimed he didn't over torqued the plug.
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that was me, my dimple plug broke in half right at the magnet the very first time I put it in and it WAS NOT over torqued.
I think some may be defective. VERY EXPENSIVE OIL CHANGE.
Leon
 
Semper Fi said:
Yes the "T" does mean torx tool. I have a 2015 F3-S and yes the head of the drain plug is stripped out. I looked at the dimple brand and found them to be $63.00. That is way to much. IMHO
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On your F3, one plug is torx, the other is hex. What sort of tool were you using? You need a torx drive socket and ratchet, not a key. If the head striped out, the wrong tool was used or not fully inserted.

I do not recommend the dimple plugs. They are worse than the OEM in terms of failure. Having done MANY spyder oil changes, the OEM plugs are just fine if you use the right tools to remove and install them. Dimple refused to stand behind their defective product. Once you see a snapped off Dimple plug, its easy to see why they fail from the very thin wall under the o-ring. Bad product.
 
DIMPLE VS. GOLD PLUG

jcthorne said:
On your F3, one plug is torx, the other is hex. What sort of tool were you using? You need a torx drive socket and ratchet, not a key. If the head striped out, the wrong tool was used or not fully inserted.

I do not recommend the dimple plugs. They are worse than the OEM in terms of failure. Having done MANY spyder oil changes, the OEM plugs are just fine if you use the right tools to remove and install them. Dimple refused to stand behind their defective product. Once you see a snapped off Dimple plug, its easy to see why they fail from the very thin wall under the o-ring. Bad product.
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...........JC, I have the GOLD brand and I've seen pics of the Magnet in the Dimple brand ...... It looks like the Dimple has a larger magnet and I think this is the problem .......the larger magnet causes them to drill a larger hole in the plug , thus making the walls thinner, thus the failure...................jmho.......Mike :thumbup:
 
jcthorne said:
I do not recommend the dimple plugs. They are worse than the OEM in terms of failure. Having done MANY spyder oil changes, the OEM plugs are just fine if you use the right tools to remove and install them. Dimple refused to stand behind their defective product. Once you see a snapped off Dimple plug, its easy to see why they fail from the very thin wall under the o-ring. Bad product.
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:shocked: I almost wish that I hadn't seen this... Are the Gold Plugs any better? :dontknow:
 
Sccar said:
Which ones do u need for the F3S. Gold plug has 3 listed for the F3S; MP-01, MP-02 & MP-18
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If I'm reading things correctly... you need the 01, the 02, and the 18. :thumbup:
BUT! Check that with someone who knows for sure... :opps:
 
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Yeh, Bob, JC's comment can be scary. I'll find out in the not too distant future with the Dimple crankcase plug I installed at my last oil change. Oh well!

I did notice on my OEM crankcase plug that the Torx splines are only about 4.24 mm deep while the bored hole is a shade over 8 mm deep. If the splines were deeper it might prevent some rounding. Mo betta still, be certain the Torx bit is straignt and fully seated.
 
Bob Denman said:
It baffles me, why folks will spend $20,000 or so on a motorcycle, and then balk at the cost of an aftermarket accessory for it...nojoke
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What baffles me is why would a company who has to know about the plug problems keep charging as much as 20,000. _32,000 and not address the iissue and solve the problem that would probably not cost them a dollar more to solve.
Kenn
 
BLUEKNIGHT911 said:
...........JC, I have the GOLD brand and I've seen pics of the Magnet in the Dimple brand ...... It looks like the Dimple has a larger magnet and I think this is the problem .......the larger magnet causes them to drill a larger hole in the plug , thus making the walls thinner, thus the failure...................jmho.......Mike :thumbup:
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This may very well be true. I have not seen a snapped off gold plug. What you say about a smaller magnet would make sense as it leaves more metal at the weakest point.
 
GOLD VS DIMPLE

beefybudds said:
That is the exact same spot my dimple plug snapped. I purchased the gold plugs and purchased another set of dimple plugs to compare the 2. The gold plugs are a better quality in my opinion. I felt confident enough with them that I installed then in my Spyder. I sold my dimple plug.
The broken half with the magnet of my dimple is still in my clutch cover that I had to have replaced at a cost of $1100.
The owner of dimple "Richard" told me there was no way his plug would snap under correct torque but I thing he is wrong.
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Since you have BOTH close at hand ....is the magnet in the GOLD PLUG smaller then the DIMPLE ? ? ? ......Thanks ......Mike :thumbup:
 
BROKEN OIL PLUG

beefybudds said:
The magnet on the gold plug is smaller. The dimple plug that is breaking is the clutch cover plug. Not the one with the 2 o-rings.
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Thanks for looking and reporting back .......Doesn't matter which plug !!! ..... If the GOLD plug has a smaller Magnet , then the thread walls are thicker and less likely to break !!!!! ...............:yes::yes::yes: .... Mike :thumbup:
 
jcthorne said:
On your F3, one plug is torx, the other is hex. What sort of tool were you using? You need a torx drive socket and ratchet, not a key. If the head striped out, the wrong tool was used or not fully inserted.

I do not recommend the dimple plugs. They are worse than the OEM in terms of failure. Having done MANY spyder oil changes, the OEM plugs are just fine if you use the right tools to remove and install them. Dimple refused to stand behind their defective product. Once you see a snapped off Dimple plug, its easy to see why they fail from the very thin wall under the o-ring. Bad product.
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I stand corrected.. I guess the other dimple plug with the o-rings is also failing.
 
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BLUEKNIGHT911 said:
.Thanks, but could you turn them so we can see the flat surface ( and take new Pics ) I think the size of the Magnet they used weakened the PLUG to much ....... I think the GOLD plug magnet is smaller ......Mike :thumbup:
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Mike I used my caliper and here is what I got. outside dia.of threaded area 0.465, outside dia. of magnet 0.320 which means 0.145 is the diam. of both side of thread so 1/2 of that is 0.072.5 total for the outer thickness of the wall.
also I noticed that the magnet is sticking out a lot more than the pic of a new one not sure if that was from trying to remove it or if it was like that when I got it.( I couldn`t move it when I tried ) I THOUGHT IT WAS STICKING OUT when I got but can`t be sure. (I will give dimple the benefit of the doubt and say it moved when it was removed)

IF SOMEONE GETS ONE THAT IS STICKING OUT LIKE IN THE PIC DON`T USE IT BECAUSE THERE IS A 0.128 " hollow gap between the magnet and plug.
Leon
 
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Oil Plug

Just a question: Why are dimple bolts so expensive? Is Dimple a bolt manufactuer or just a jobber?

I made my own oil plugs with magnets and use magnets on the out side of the oil reserve. Prevention
is cheap.

Good Luck
 
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