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Spark Plug Wire Recommendation
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I had major problems with the stock wires back in Sept. I couldn't find a replacement other than stock. One thing i did learn; DON'T mess too much with the stock wires, They will damage very easy.
chasbadger
New member
Plug Wires
I only have about 13000 miles on my 2008 spyder. when I ride now after a while several hours or so when the bike is warm but never over heated gets up to 6 bars at traffic lite's but cooling fan never comes on, but its hot. when I have stopped the motor several times the next time I start it it seems to have a miss at even throttle and runs that way until I leave it set to cool over night. The next time I ride it, all is well for awhile. I guess what I want to know is this maybe the way yours acted with bad wires ?
any help you can give me will be appreciated. If you don't want to type your answer call me 772-335-0529
Chuck / Chasbadger
I only have about 13000 miles on my 2008 spyder. when I ride now after a while several hours or so when the bike is warm but never over heated gets up to 6 bars at traffic lite's but cooling fan never comes on, but its hot. when I have stopped the motor several times the next time I start it it seems to have a miss at even throttle and runs that way until I leave it set to cool over night. The next time I ride it, all is well for awhile. I guess what I want to know is this maybe the way yours acted with bad wires ?
any help you can give me will be appreciated. If you don't want to type your answer call me 772-335-0529
Chuck / Chasbadger
Lamonster
SpyderLovers Founder
My guess is you have a bad fan relay.
I also have an 08, As soon as the engine got warm steady throttle would cause a stumble[miss]
But i could ride though it, Eventually the wire started to really ark and then only fire on one cylinder.
With 13 thousand miles your still covered under the Federal emissions warranty. Hopes this helps
Here is an article from the Can-am ATV form about replacement plug wires...I DON'T know if they are the same as our Spyders...
Posted Yesterday, 10:41 PM
I think it's more of a non interference thing for EFI. I know on my Renegade turbo, I have a ViPec ecu, and it does not like non resistor plugs. It really messes up the USB communication between the laptop & the ecu. I finally found a good & cold resistor plug to run.
I have also seen these go bad on stock bikes. They get to where they will fire at times, sometimes not. Jusr replace with a good plug wire & end. The plug end is self explanatory, the coil end is the same as a GM LS series coil, like on late GM V-8's. MSD makes the wires & ends.
Posted Yesterday, 10:41 PM
I think it's more of a non interference thing for EFI. I know on my Renegade turbo, I have a ViPec ecu, and it does not like non resistor plugs. It really messes up the USB communication between the laptop & the ecu. I finally found a good & cold resistor plug to run.
I have also seen these go bad on stock bikes. They get to where they will fire at times, sometimes not. Jusr replace with a good plug wire & end. The plug end is self explanatory, the coil end is the same as a GM LS series coil, like on late GM V-8's. MSD makes the wires & ends.
Raptor
New member
I've wondered the same thing. I have made more than one custom set in my day (as I'm sure most of us have!) and I don't see why that couldn't be done here.
In the old days i would also make my own wires' to fit around tuned headers [Packard 440,s] But i;m thinking because of computer's [ecm] just any old wire will not work.
Besides the stock wires are not that expensive, Delicate yes.
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
You are right. The CanBus system is very sensitive to RFI. Good suppression wires are a must.
"stock wires"
I ran into one of the origonal guys that worked for Can-Am and was on the origonal BRP video told me that the 2008 spyder was built from off the shelf parts that was available at the time... that is why the rear wheel has two pick ups and the front only has one.. that would suggest that the wires was an off the shelf set of wires but the they are obviously crap, and I suspect they may be that way for a reason!! I would like to know the specs for the wires.. as far as the wire is concerned, im under the conclusion that the wires are radio resistant, and that is fairly common.. there used to ba a common thing for local auto parts stores to assemble spark plug wires from a specified length as requested by the customer, a lot of these were for local racing and hot rod guys!! I would like to find some one to assemble a set of wires for the spyder for me just for testing. may be I'll start with a set of wires for from a 4 banger like a pinto...lol after all the origonal air filter was a standard off the shelf filter made by Fram for almost every 4 banger made in the last 10 years....lol any suggestions of off the shelf wirews for a common car that will work well would be appreciated!!!! Im tired of wating a week for parts for every thing that I have to have replaced!!! last week it was an O2 sensor, this week it was plug wires because the plugs need to be replaced and the ones on the unit "" just fell apart""" Im truly tired of wating for ever every time i need a part!!
I ran into one of the origonal guys that worked for Can-Am and was on the origonal BRP video told me that the 2008 spyder was built from off the shelf parts that was available at the time... that is why the rear wheel has two pick ups and the front only has one.. that would suggest that the wires was an off the shelf set of wires but the they are obviously crap, and I suspect they may be that way for a reason!! I would like to know the specs for the wires.. as far as the wire is concerned, im under the conclusion that the wires are radio resistant, and that is fairly common.. there used to ba a common thing for local auto parts stores to assemble spark plug wires from a specified length as requested by the customer, a lot of these were for local racing and hot rod guys!! I would like to find some one to assemble a set of wires for the spyder for me just for testing. may be I'll start with a set of wires for from a 4 banger like a pinto...lol after all the origonal air filter was a standard off the shelf filter made by Fram for almost every 4 banger made in the last 10 years....lol any suggestions of off the shelf wirews for a common car that will work well would be appreciated!!!! Im tired of wating a week for parts for every thing that I have to have replaced!!! last week it was an O2 sensor, this week it was plug wires because the plugs need to be replaced and the ones on the unit "" just fell apart""" Im truly tired of wating for ever every time i need a part!!
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
I understand your desires and frustrations, but please don't substitute non-resistor wires on a Spyder. It is an invitation to disaster! The EFI will adversly affect the CANbus, and if you have an SE, the shifting will likely be affected. Your warranty will not cover these problems.
WackyDan
New member
I have found some very good quality plug wire kits online. You generally have to crimp one end yourself, but it allows you to make them to proper length.
Considering what I just spent on two BRP plug wires, I can get a set of 8 resistor wires in a kit for about the same amount if not less. I believe I already have the proper crimping tool, and if not, the proper crimping frame. All I would need is the proper mandibles.
We'll see... Add it to the "get around to list".
Considering what I just spent on two BRP plug wires, I can get a set of 8 resistor wires in a kit for about the same amount if not less. I believe I already have the proper crimping tool, and if not, the proper crimping frame. All I would need is the proper mandibles.
We'll see... Add it to the "get around to list".
BajaRon
Well-known member
Lamont and I have something in the works right now. We should have a working set soon. We want to try them out on our Spyders before we tout them to the Spyder world but I'm pretty sure they will knock your socks off when we are done.
They will look cool (admittedly kind of a waste on the Spyder) but more importantly, they should be a fine upgrade in several respects.
Stay tuned!
BajaRon
Well-known member
S
spydee owner
Guest
So, you are saying that a company BRP (Rotax engines) that has made millions of engines,
and has a successful racing program for many of their products does not know how to either make or spec a quality wire for their engines?
BajaRon
Well-known member
The Spyder spark plug wires aren't stellar but they aren't a huge issue either. My feeling is the wires take a lot more heat than the average motorcycle SP wire with all the heat being held in by the tupperware.
And why would BRP or any other company re-invent the wheel for spark plug wires? Like oil and many other products, the manufacturer is smart to use existing, off the shelf products. They are readily available, usually less expensive and tested parts. The real trick is to get the part that will do the job.
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
:agree: More spark plug wires are damaged when disconnecting them than any other reason...although they all break down in time, and that is accelerated by heat and humidity/rain.
S
spydee owner
Guest
plug wires
Even in automotive new designs, they end up using existing parts for other cars.
The dodge viper started out this way. There will be (guaranteed) parts on that car that are common with other vehicles.
Sure, we could have really high efficiency wires, and spyder specific air filter etc., but then we would be complaining more than we already do about the price of a new spyder.
Even in automotive new designs, they end up using existing parts for other cars.
The dodge viper started out this way. There will be (guaranteed) parts on that car that are common with other vehicles.
Sure, we could have really high efficiency wires, and spyder specific air filter etc., but then we would be complaining more than we already do about the price of a new spyder.
BajaRon
Well-known member
Very true. The fact that the plug ends are hard to get to makes it very tempting to pull on the wire instead of the boot. The soft silicone boot also tends to be a issue.
If all goes well (and it always does, right?) these new wire sets will reslove both these issues, or at least make it better.
Firefly
Active member
:agree:
In the heyday of the big 3 auto industry--- parts were really common amongst each brand (not necessarily between brands)-- and it made working on cars a dream for swapping parts, etc.... I recall putting a small block 400 into a Buick Apollo once-----mated up to the tranny just fine-- although the engine mounts were a bit different--- nothing welding a bar onto them couldn't fix--- until the weld broke from torque and the engine jumped up enough to dent my hood! lol
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