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So, how fast can a spyder go and safely make a sharp right turn at an intersection?

VryGryFox

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Or a left hand turn...

I am a new 2023 RTL rider, have about 300 miles in two weeks.

I have had two take a deep breath moments:
  • A 270 degree turn off an overpass
    I did not think that I was going very fast but as the turn deepened, I was really hanging off the side of the spyder.
  • A sharp left-hand turn
    Again, I was not especially aware of my speed (but it was a bit faster than needed, evidently) I was coming off of US90 onto a country road. I was hanging off the side and the right front tire actually got into the grass momentarily...

It appears that the Spyder really rolls quite deeply in not terribly fast corners. Would a better 'sway bar' make my life a bit easier?

I am starting to think that I can corner faster on my bicycle than my Spyder...

I guess I could find an isolated corner and keep doing the turn with a 5 mph boost every iteration until the Spyder does a rollover but that does not seem very productive.

Hopefully more miles will help me learn to gauge entry speed a bit better.

Any hints will be welcomed.
 
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You should remember the words of the famous Sterling Moss: "It's better to go in slow and come out fast than to go in fast and come out dead."
 
It appears that the Spyder really rolls quite deeply in not terribly fast corners. Would a better 'sway bar' make my life a bit easier?

YES! Especially if you are heavily loaded, two-up, etc. BajaRon's helped mine very very much.


It's also very much technique. You definitely can lean into the turn and it will help. Also, I have found putting my weight on my legs, especially the outside leg, rather than trying to hug the bike with my knees, and then putting most force into *pushing* the correct side of the handlebar increases my "safe feeling" turning speed significantly.

But, unless you are looking for the adrenaline rush, you bought a touring bike, so take it easy and tour. (This is a case of the pot (me) calling the kettle black .... I like adrenaline!)

Regardless, ride more, then ride even more and get some practice in. I think you'll find you can keep up with any bicycle, and most cruiser sized bikes. I can keep up with my HD rider friends.
 
300 miles is still not enough time riding to understand the Spyder. Ride more, then you can access your ability to corner better. A Spyder is like riding a 4wheeler, they lean the opposite of turn, like your going to fall off.

If you happened to notice your dash, if you were really pushing the corner too hard, you would have seen a flashing lightning bolt icon. That is the VSS, vehicle stability system. The monitoring system will sense wheel lift (by wheel rotation speed of all 3 wheels), yaw rotation, and handlebar rotation. The system can take off throttle, and even apply brakes. Look thru your manual book to get familiar with this system.

Then after more time in the saddle, you can identify what you need. A better roll bar? And / or better shocks. You just totally eliminate ALL the pitch / roll, you just get used to it, and understand it
 
Just a few comments here VryGry, intended to help you come to grips with this Spyder thing you're now riding. :thumbup:

Because of its 'Reverse Trike' configuration and the inherent stability that brings (even if you don't feel it... YET! ;) ) your Spyder is really unlike just about anything else on the road, and with its suite of 'safety features' that we all so endearingly call 'the Nanny', your Spyder will 'out-turn' AND 'out-brake' pretty much anything else you've ever even seen driven &/or ridden on the road, IF you learn to use the body-english necessary to counter the centrifugal forces that will seemingly be trying to throw you off to the outside whenever you corner hard &/or fast! Sure, you can plonk yourself down on a Spyder and fairly quickly come to terms with tooling around relatively slowly without scaring yourself or anyone else too much, but it takes a fair bit more effort & involvement on your behalf to punt one of these things hard and fast, and once you start coming to grips with how to do that, you'll REALLY start to see the Miles of Smiles! Your Spyder's nowhere near as intuitive to ride as a 2-wheel bike, since you NEED to actively turn the handlebars to corner; and when cornering, especially if you are cornering hard &/or fast, YOU actively need to counter those centrifugal forces, either by bracing your core (in the low & slow, gentle stuff!) or by leaning your upper body at least as much if not more than you leant your 2-wheeled bike in order to safely make any turn! :lecturef_smilie:

The Spyder does not take just a little counter steering input to initiate a lean & then it'll do the rest, with a couple of dirty great gyroscopic stabilisers keeping you on thru the lean & turn like your 2-wheeled bikes do - you have to hang on and steer it all the way!! And since you don't mention the Nanny kicking in (and believe me, even if you might not notice one, some, or even any of the 'little corrections' that she often does apply when you're truly riding hard, you WILL notice it when the Nanny does an 'emergency intervention' if/when you ever get anywhere NEAR rolling or flipping your Spyder! :lecturef_smilie: ) I can only assume that you really weren't cornering all hard &/or fast at all, BUT BECAUSE you're not yet used to your Spyder &/or how well it CAN actually turn when ridden appropriately, you probably didn't lean IN hard enough/far enough, so the centrifugal forces trying to throw you off the outside felt massive, which made you ease off on your steering, so you ran wide, and basically, your unfamiliarity and lack of confidence in the machine let it all get away from you!! :gaah:

The only real thing to get over this ^ is saddle time! Most new riders take about 1000 miles OR MORE, to really start coming to grips with feeling comfortable on their Spyders, and for many, it takes far more than that to truly start getting the best from their Spyder's unparalleled traction, stability, and braking abilities! So be kind to yourself - 300 miles is nowhere near enough for most to even get comfortable on the seat, so don't expect too much too early, and don't push things too hard too early either! Give yourself the time and miles and gradually work up to going faster, cornering harder, and with coming to grips with the fact that Spyder roll-overs are VERY RARE, and usually as the result of the input of copious quantities of rider stupidity; too much speed & steering input while travelling in reverse; &/or the application of some external force, like being hit by a car or running up a curb! And even then, the Nanny will almost always kick in and do her best to keep your Spyder upright before things get critical, so if you can only hang on... :rolleyes:

Once you start trying to corner harder &/or faster, start practicing leaning your upper body in and down toward the inside of the corner - try NOT to push on the outside bar, as that tends to apply down & out forces up high on the bike, ie. with lots of leverage in exactly the wrong place, so it de-stabilises your Spyder far more than is necessary or desirable in tight corners, altho it might feel as tho it's helping you brace yourself better - but that feeling comes at a significant cost to your Spyder's ability to take corners at speed! So instead, PULL with your inside hand on the handlebars, using your outside foot to brace yourself down low & to help you push your body weight across and lean into that pull; then lean in and down as if you were going to kiss your wrist! That'll work far better to counter the centrifugal forces and help keep the Spyder more stable without large inputs from the Nanny, and by doing that, I find most new Spyder riders, especially those with extensive 2-wheel riding experience, come to grips with the greater stability, traction, and cornering capability of their Spyders sooner!

Do all that for at least 1000 miles or so, gradually increasing you speed as your ability and confidence grows, and eventually you'll start finding the factory imposed limits of your Spyder - and I'm not talking about the relatively bendy chassis/frame &/or the deliberate de-tuning and restriction of the engine/driveline either - not YET, anyway!! Once you are feeling more comfortable with pushing a bit harder into the corners, your rear OEM Kenda tire will probably be getting fairly worn, and while your front Kendas will be wearing better, you'll start noticing that the tires AND the sway bar are not really up to the capabilities of the rest of the bike! Personally, I tossed those OEM excuses for black round things to keep the metal off the ground that they call Kenda tires as worn-out wastes of space within the first 5,000 miles, and fitted a real set of tires that far exceeded the Kendas capability in all respects, but then I did have access to brake testing skid pans & tracks that I was running my Spyder on fairly regularly, so the limitations of the tires became critical sooner than most, and only after that did I do a sway bar upgrade, followed by an ECU Upgrade that removed the de-tuning restrictions; but some like to fully wear their front Kendas out first - only I figure that just extends the time it takes to really come to terms with how great these Spyder things can be! :ohyea:
 
I am also fairly new to the Spyder World . So far I have had
no problems with 99 % of the off ramps or turns . There is one 270 that I will not take over 45 mph. All others I have been on , there is no problem at 55 -60 mph. So, without knowing the " tightness " of the ramp or the speed at which you are attempting the turn , a definitive answer to your Question is impossible .
 
.... So instead, PULL with your inside hand on the handlebars, using your outside foot to brace yourself down low & to help you push your body weight across and lean into that pull; then lean in and down as if you were going to kiss your wrist! .....

This statement is the key to how to ride a Spyder..
 
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I see it's not mentioned in your posting, but, if highway pegs weren't already installed on your RTL that would also make a huge difference in cornering and keeping you better upright and your weight distribution better seated, along with a slight inward lean.

As others have stated, an upgraded sway bar would be beneficial with corner rolling as well. But with only ridden 300 miles you just need more seat time to become 1 with your new toy. It will come to you.........Enjoy!
 
I find it hard to believe the " VSS " let you get that fast in a turn and NOT SHUT you down ...... someone above mentioned " 300 " miles ..... and I firmly agree ..... at this point you have no idea what a Spyder can do in the area of " handling " ...... after 2000 miles you should feel differently .....JMHO ...Mike :thumbup:
 
I'm still a fairly new Spyder rider and Peter's explanation is spot on. I've entered corners a little too hot and found that by doing as Peter described, my RTL corners very well and feels well planted. If I feel any tendency to drift wider, I pull a little harder on the inside bar and the Spyder just turns tighter. When done right, it's quite impressive, especially for a touring machine, and mines stock. I feel I can corner way faster than I could on two wheels.
 
I think it is still there. In your owner's manual there is a section on how to ride your Spyder. Peter is right, the Spyder is unlike anything else you have ridden, especially 2 wheeled. Take that section and set up a course in a large vacant parking lot as they suggest and do a few of the exercises. Slow at first then faster. It may surprise you what you learn. Pull bar, push outside leg, lean in.
 
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Or a left hand turn...

I am a new 2023 RTL rider, have about 300 miles in two weeks.

I have had two take a deep breath moments:
  • A 270 degree turn off an overpass
    I did not think that I was going very fast but as the turn deepened, I was really hanging off the side of the spyder.
  • A sharp left-hand turn
    Again, I was not especially aware of my speed (but it was a bit faster than needed, evidently) I was coming off of US90 onto a country road. I was hanging off the side and the right front tire actually got into the grass momentarily...

It appears that the Spyder really rolls quite deeply in not terribly fast corners. Would a better 'sway bar' make my life a bit easier?

I am starting to think that I can corner faster on my bicycle than my Spyder...

I guess I could find an isolated corner and keep doing the turn with a 5 mph boost every iteration until the Spyder does a rollover but that does not seem very productive.

Hopefully more miles will help me learn to gauge entry speed a bit better.

Any hints will be welcomed.

Don't despair, you WILL get better and better with increasing seat time. The Spyder will amaze you. I agree with previous post that putting pressure downward on your outside foot in turns will help against centrifugal forces. Relax and have fun!
 
+1 on the Baja Ron's Ultimate Sway Bar. Makes a huge difference in cornering, especially on ramp sweepers.

johnv
 
I last rode a street bike in the mid 1980's (KZ 650 SR) and in fall of 2020 I bought my first 2018 RTL. Learning to ride it occurred fairly quickly for me, as I rode snowmobiles for 16 years in the meantime. The Spyder in hard cornering is very similar to riding snowmobile. Shift your butt to the inside of the seat a bit, hunker down to the inside and forward, look to where you want to go in the corner (don't get distracted looking elsewhere), and power out through it.

Now out on the open road, do not try to steer the Spyder, just guide it along with slight pressure on the offside handlebar to make a correction. I cruise on CC and just rest my hands on the bars.

Add the BajaRon sway bar! And better tires when the time comes.
 
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Only 300 miles myself so far, so I don’t create bad habits. On smaller less speed corner (under 45 mph) do you “push” first and switch to “pull” if you need to turn more, or do you just always pull on every corner?
 
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Only 300 miles myself so far, so I don’t create bad habits. On smaller less speed corner (under 45 mph) do you “push” first and switch to “pull” if you need to turn more, or do you just always pull on every corner?

Practice makes perfect - if you 'pull' on every corner, it won't be too long before you don't ever get caught out by pushing on a corner where you've gone in too hot! :lecturef_smilie:

Always practice guiding gently while riding straight, and when you want to turn, practice pulling ALL the time! :thumbup:

I find it also 'fixes' the difference in my mind between riding a 2-wheeled bike & riding a Spyder/Ryker, so the transition is pretty much seamless - If it's got 2 wheels, I pull ever so slightly on the outside bar to induce counter steer & IT leans; if it's a Spyder/Ryker, I pull on the inside bar and I lean! :ohyea:
 
A very interesting question for which, of course, there is no answer. Way too many variables! I used to ride dirt with a friend that raced. We would take off from a standing start and he would beat me every time. Then we would switch bikes and he would beat me with mine. He was just better and there wasn't anything I could do about it.

They say 'Smooth is fast and fast is smooth'. And it's true. Going through a turn using all the right techniques will get you through faster and seem slower. Then you have the combination of skill and machine. Both can be improved. You improve by practicing correctly. And the machine can improve with optional upgrades. But just throwing money at the machine won't always get you where you want to go. Components need to be selected that will complement each other.

It all boils down to an adventure in life. Some adventures go better than others. That's the 'Life' part!

Stock, the Spyder will not tip over without a good deal of effort. It just FEELS like it will. Quick, jerking motions will give the Nanny fits. But as already mentioned. If the Nanny isn't kicking in, you're a long way from having any problem with stability. Stock, the Nanny is much more invasive than after appropriate upgrades.

Put 1,000 miles on it and then see where you're at. Things will probably improve with practice without spending for anything but gas.
 
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Thank you for the answer, but the question is, “what is the right technique “? I would rather start out using the proper technique than having to break a bad one.
 
Pretty much what's been said. Pull with inside arm while planting the outside foot and to start, slow in and fast out of the turn. Accelerating through and out of a corner is more confidence inspiring compared to braking late into a corner.
 
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