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so are you ready for pricing


BRP doesn't have to do "jack" and with all the bitchin and moanin about decrease in value I've been reading for the past month, I wouldn't blame them.

Chris

They may not want to but they will have to do something. There are a few of us out there that will get something done or BRP may be buying back a few bikes.... under law. Ask SpyderAnn01 if she would let them do nothing! Now if you are talking about the pricing aspect then your right there is nothing BRP can do about that, that it just the way it is, something new always drives down the value of something old. I bet Cuznjohn would give up his complaining as well as I (and everybody else for that matter) if BRP would just tell us something so we are not just hanging in limbo.
 
Fixing bikes, and repairing the retail trade industry are pretty much two; relatively unrelated issues... :gaah:
BRP is doing what it can; as FAST as it can, for the former...
 
The whole idea that it's BRP's fault that the prices for used Spyder Toys is lower than you would like is flawed.
The marketplace determines the price and if BRP could manipulate it RT Limiteds would be selling for 75K

Most Spyders are high end models, RT and Limiteds in the RT and ST and command a high new price because they are marketing to those who can afford to pay for their toys.

Those people, for the most part, don't want their toys used.
JMHO

Roger, I have to disagree in part with your statement. BRP has been dumping 2013 RT at such a low price that I feel it will reduce the value of all used Spyders. When BRP tells their dealers that they can sell these new 2013 at upwards of $6,000 off MSRP it has a definite effect on the price of used machines.
 
They seem to offer up just about the same incentive each year at this time in an attempt to clear out the prior year models...
This year it's $3000 bucks...
Wasn't last year $2500?
(I could be wrong on the Math... :opps:)
 
low ball

first lets get it straight, i expected the the price of the bike would go down, like with cars the minute you drive out the door it drops a few thousand dollars. i expected to take between 8 and 10k loss on the bike, but a 13k loss is just ridiculous. all the dealers i have gone to tell me that brp gave them fantastic deals on 13's and flooded the dealers with them so now nobody wants used bikes like mine for any kind of money even close to the price they can get for a brand new bike at 22k. even cheaper at other dealers. my selling dealer is the only person that i know that has no bikes in stock but will only take my bike on consignment.

as far as brp owing us anything for the value of our bikes i don't feel they do nor should they even do so. but they do owe us a fix for our bikes. but my personal feeling is that right now they want their new line on the market and are going to put all their resources towards the 14's and we, the people with bad heat issues and other problems are on the back burner until it hits the market place.

yes i have complained about the price drop, that is because i feel trapped with a bike that i am very unhappy with. and if i was in the market for a 2013 left over i would jump on a new bike from the dealer b4 a used bike because of the great price and all the incentives they are offering. that is my main complaint. if our issues got more attention and it didn't take a week or more to get parts maybe there would be less complaining about it. so from people getting upset about my complaining i will promises you i will not complain about price anymore. but the forums are for good and bad voices and i thought i would just join in with the experiences i have gone through. there is a few on here that are happy with their bikes and don't want to read negative feed back or ideas that other people have so i won't do it anymore. i love the forum and i have learned a lot about the spyders and being a first time owner i enjoy reading about meeting you have and love the pictures you post. ok enough :bdh:and hope you all have a great day
 
I only have 2 words to say that would explain all this, and it relates from blenders to houses...

SUPPLY AND DEMAND!:lecturef_smilie:

The more supply out there with little or no demand, the cheaper they go. The less supply out there and the bigger the demand is, the more expensive it is.

'nuff said.
 
A lot of folks skirt the issue above, but to summarize: the Spyder does not hold trade-in or re-sale value. Period.

For a variety of reasons:
1. It's an essentially new product. It has no track record of popularity, reliability, or aftermarket support outside of a closed dealer network. It could be the best vehicle ever made, and those factors would still be true.

2. It's a very expensive product. People who are in the marketplace for $20K++ motorcycles are in the toy market, essentially. These customers prefer to buy new rather than used.

3. The 2013 problems will crater the used market for a long time to come. Anyone doing even a bit of research will be wary of buying a 2013 Spyder (unfairly or not), which will drop their prices accordingly. Selling or trading 2013s will require a steeper price cut than normal as long as there is a glut of 2013s. Unfortunately, we all know there's *also* a glut of *2012* and earlier model year Spyder on dealer lots. If dealers can't move brand new unused Spyders off their lots, they're certainly not going to be eager to offer high prices for *used* Spyders.

Vehicle companies have to go to great lengths over years, even decades, to establish their brands in the consumer's mind. Witness how long it took Japanese car companies to go from a rust bucket reputation to something worth buying, even preferred. Likewise, Korean car companies have spent 20 years selling cars at cut rates with ridiculous warranties knowing they had to suffer until they could prove to the marketplace that they made competitive cars (and even now, when Hyundai puts out quality cars that I'd put up against anybody else's, you can see for yourself how miserable their resale value still is).

Bottom line: it takes a long, LONG time for new products to develop a reputation for desirability and quality. The Spyder won't get there for some time to come... if ever.

Unfortunately, BRP may have suffered a huge hit with the 2013 year (they don't release sale numbers, we're working on anecdote, but the anecdotes are consistent). Any year right before the release of an improved model will inevitably suffer, but BRP took a *double* hit with the quality concerns in 2013. At the price points they want-- natch, *need*-- to sell Spyders at, I'm not surprised at all that they're delaying the 2014s a little while to make sure the rollout is perfect. After 2013, if they botch 2014, we may not have Spyders around for much longer.

And if that happens, we'll all look back at $15,000 trade-in prices as the glory days...

P.S. My advice to any new Spyder buyer-- other than reading Spyderlovers.com!-- is to appreciate the value of the Spyder to them, and budget accordingly. Meaning, be prepared to spend a lot to *buy* the Spyder, be prepared to spend a lot to *maintain* the Spyder, be prepared to spend a lot to *farkle* the Spyder, and be resigned to never getting anywhere near that money back once you sell or trade-in the Spyder.

Your Spyder is sunk-cost; just be sure to get the fun out of it that you want.
 
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:agree: :agree: Hang in there John....:thumbup:

oh i plan to hang in there, i just won't post negative thing about price anymore. i have the vents i bought from verika trykes and i will install them as soon as i lay the bike up for the winter. i have to mount them first than take them off to have the painted and i will see what it does for the bike next season.
 
Shorter version of a TL;DR post above: You don't buy a Spyder, you subscribe to it. The money you spend on a Spyder that you never see back once you sell or trade it in? That's the price of your subscription. The best you can hope for is that in return for paying that price you got plenty of miles and smiles out of your Spyder ownership.
 
I didn't buy it to sell it, i'll tell you that....... but i'd rather not break down and I did twice both due to a hot machine, The conversation I had with BRP was rather interesting we both spoke but I felt like we both were on different planets. The Rep told me on one hand that the machine runs hot do to the "Tupperware" around the engine and on the other hand they would be willing to check the machine, but had not one solution. That being said the bike I thought I bought was supposed to be a cool thing turned out to be a furnace on wheels, hot enough to damage other parts of the bike, that's a fact, So come up with how you are going to blow out the Tupperware when my machine is in stationary and issue solved, This I can say my nuts my be damn hot but when the bike is moving..... I'm good, when I pass through a town or city I cross my fingers, (just what I wanted when I purchased)
 
Seems like an easy solution by the way... We know when things heat up the thermostat kicks on the fan on the right side so why not have a small DC deluge blower with a small piece of flexible aluminum tubing and get it up into the cavity hot area and blow the heat out the bottom of the bike.. like the ones they use on boats and parallel it to the fan power and kick on this blower
then program the fan to kick on alittle earlier and stay on a bit longer, I also like the pipe wraps to help
 
Just my perception when I was shopping in May of this year for a Spyder RT.
They do hold the value pretty well considering. At least they did earlier this year. Now I am not talking 2013's here. I am talking 2011 and 2012s. In May of this year, the dealers out here in Ca. were asking about 21K for a new 2011 RTS SE5 and about 23K for a new 2012 RTS SE5. This was not including dealer prep, etc! I could not get out the door for less that 24K. The 2013's were even more even for the base unit! Again the dealer prep, etc adds quite a bit to the price!

My Wife gave me an "achieved" price of $21K. I could go higher but that's what the budget was. So I decided to go looking at used Spyders. Most people were asking very close to what they paid due to add-ons etc they had invested in. After 2 months of dealing with used sellers, I finally found a motivated seller.

So you know I paid $16.5K for a 2011 RTS that only had 450 miles on it and had never been in for service. So basically new. When I bought it, it had the original owners paperwork with it. The original owner paid $21K in Jan 2012. So if you ask me, that was a pretty good value hold for a 2 year old spyder considering the hype of the "new" 2013's" competing with people selling older models. After buying it I had a guy offer me $19K for it 1 month later! I could have flipped it.

Now will the 2013's hold that kind of value? Probably not. Will 2014's effect my resale value? Possibly but with the new prices for 2014, some people may not be able to afford a new one! The 2014's are a lot more expensive than previous years! Like me with a budget I think there will be people with a budget wanting a spyder and thus looking for used.

All of the cars I have ever owned I have NEVER done a dealer trade in! I always got more than any dealer offered me on trade by doing a person to person sale. I think selling to the used market will get you more but it might take a while to sell it.

Myself I have no desire to even attempt to trade in my 2011. If I was at all interested in a 2014 I would sell my spyder used and get the best price I can. After I sell it then go by the 2014. Yes this could take 6 months or more! But hey... by then the "real" reports of how good the 2014's are should be coming in :)

It's when your in a "rush" to buy and sell that you take a larger hit.

My .000002 cents.

Bob
 
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All of the cars I have ever owned I have NEVER done a dealer trade in! I always got more than any dealer offered me on trade by doing a person to person sale. I think selling to the used market will get you more but it might take a while to sell it.
It's when your in a "rush" to buy and sell that you take a larger hit.
:agree: But keep in mind that the trade-in amount may not be figured into the transaction when it comes to paying sales tax on the vehicle...(If that's how it's done in your State)
Here in New York; our sales tax is 8%... If you sell your vehicle outright; make sure that you get enough extra to cover any difference in the sales tax that you might get hit with in the deal! :shocked:
 
oh i plan to hang in there, i just won't post negative thing about price anymore. i have the vents i bought from verika trykes and i will install them as soon as i lay the bike up for the winter. i have to mount them first than take them off to have the painted and i will see what it does for the bike next season.

You "Torturing" Yourself Mentally and Physically with this "Heat Infested Monster?" :yikes:
If you did the Lemon Law and documented you would have been "Well" on your way to a Nice agreeable settlement that would bring you a sense of Pride and Justice??? nojoke
 
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