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Sensible gun control
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Bob Denman
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And I used to like Southern Rock: back before these guys did that "one-point landing" in a Georgia swamp... :gaah:
And I used to like Southern Rock: back before these guys did that "one-point landing" in a Georgia swamp... :gaah:
Orange Spyder Man
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Have you noticed that gun store employees are armed ? ask yourself why ... then make your own conclusion
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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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how many on here have NEEDED to exercise their 2nd amendment rights?
Bob Denman
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Your question is actually immaterial...
A lot of us would rather have the protection, and not need it... than need it, and not have it.
A lot of us would rather have the protection, and not need it... than need it, and not have it.
Easy Rider
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No it isn't.
Actually what you WANT should be immaterial......if it flies in the face of the facts.
Knowing how many people actually have used their handgun outside their home or business to "protect" themselves from bodily harm.......which had an indisputably better outcome than it would have had without the gun is a CRITICAL PIECE OF INFORMATION for anyone who wants to deal with the facts......instead of just making a hollow emotional argument.
The other critical statistic is how many completely innocent people are killed every day by a gun being mis-used when no criminal activity is involved.
I think I should be allowed to carry around a 50 cal machine gun too......or a tactical nuke maybe.
FEELINGS are immaterial.
Fatcycledaddy
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I think I was called an idiot also!
From previous post I believe that he is not originally from the US, he is an English immigrant. I think therefore it is ingrained in him that guns were a unnecessary evil when he was younger, and I think that will be very hard for him to overcome.
I agree with most of the other post, if I see a sign like that I WILL support that shop, if I see one telling me guns are not allowed, I WILL shop elsewhere. I have noticed that that is the way the majority of gun toting people are. We respect others peoples rights but we also take advantage of the rights our bill of rights gives us. How important was that right to our founding fathers? Important enough that it was the 2nd amendment, not the 12th, 14th, and so on, but the 2nd.
The thing I don't understand is that when people migrate to this country, they must be doing it because they like it more than the country they are leaving, so why in the world do they want to bad mouth, complain, or try to change it once they are here.
Having an open discussion about why those of us who carry do so, and complaining or bad mouthing every post that is about guns in any way is two different things. It is our right to carry, many of us do, we will not stop, so get over it or get out!
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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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so all of us should have flood insurance, $5mil. umbrella policy, 3 wheel bike since 2 wheel is dangerous, bomb shelter......
i personally don't agree but i think that is what you are saying.
but again i would like to know if anyone wants to answer my original question, i feel it would support your right to own & carry.
Fatcycledaddy
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I don't have to ask why, I just have to know that they have the right to be and choose to do so.
Have you ever noticed that there has never been a mass shooting at a gun store? Ask yourself why ... then make your own conclusion
Fatcycledaddy
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I have car insurance and hope to never use it, I have homeowners insurance and hope to never use it, I have a spare tire and hope to never use it, I have health insurance and hope to never use it, I carry a gun and hope to never use it.
So why do you have a key for your Spyder and locks on your doors? Because someone might try to steel the Spyder and rob your house, you have them for the possibility that someone might try to take something from you.
Same reason I carry, I value my life and I carry just in case someone tries to take it from me!
So in my opinion, your point is flawed.
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I appreciate that you understand my viewpoint even though it differs from your own. To clarify, I came to the US with my parents - it wasn't a personal choice at the time. So, I'm not sure an aversion to guns was ingrained in me from growing up in England; I simply was not even aware of the issue. As a teenager I became fascinated with them because of all the 'western' tv shows at the time. I carried and used guns and other weapons in Vietnam. I even owned a six-shooter for a short while. I enjoy guns - who doesn't? I just don't understand the gun culture mentality and the arguments that are used to justify an almost belligerent attitude toward the right and need to 'carry'.
And, I do not think anyone who 'carries' is an idiot. I'm grateful most of you are not - that would be a scary proposition indeed.
easysuper
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It always amazes me how many educated folks will take numbers out of content and make up their own "Facts" to prove their side of an argument. I wonder how many "innocent people" are killed by someone driving a car being missed used , I would expect if you looked at the raw numbers there would be far more deaths by automobile than guns. My dad an old Montana cowboy born in 1912 had many cowboy logic sayings and one of them was, Liers can figure but figures don't lie. He also used one that I use occasionally was, " Educated Idiots". He did carry all the time and slept with one under his pillow but respected the use of fire arms and taught me the same. I was taught to NEVER use a fire arm with out the intent to pull the trigger. Another one he always said was that a loaded car was way more dangerous than a loaded gun. Oh by the way I do carry and have used it and have no trouble sleeping at night. I believe that if we were as hard on criminals as we once were and had less fractured family's we would not have the crime we do now and folks would be less fearful about their well being. Now you educated folks go ahead and pick my argument apart and Ill protect your right to do so.
I had read all the post and was not going to say anything until all the "Facts" started flying, they just hit a button.
I had read all the post and was not going to say anything until all the "Facts" started flying, they just hit a button.
ES44AC
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I carry everywhere I go and I don't patronize places that have NO Firearms signs.
Gun Control is the Socialist dream ,Hitler is one of the most well known gun control advocates (he did it for the children). You never disarm the criminals only law abiding victims. Easier for the criminals and the government to control the population and take away any freedoms you have.
I'll just keep calm a carry on.:thumbup:
Gun Control is the Socialist dream ,Hitler is one of the most well known gun control advocates (he did it for the children). You never disarm the criminals only law abiding victims. Easier for the criminals and the government to control the population and take away any freedoms you have.
I'll just keep calm a carry on.:thumbup:
Fatcycledaddy
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[h=3][/h]Current data – In 2014, the most recent year of data available, of 138,593 accidental deaths in the U.S., 38,718 (28%) were due to drug poisoning, 32,834 (24%) to motor vehicle traffic accidents (excluding pedal cyclists), 31,959 (23%) to falls, 6,580 (5%) to suffocation, 3,406 (2.5%) to drowning, 3,314 (2.4%) to non-drug poisoning, 2,701 (1.9%) to fire/flame, 2,156 (1.6%) to medical mistakes, 1,625 (1.2%) to natural/environmental factors, 902 (0.7%) involved pedal cycles, 586 (0.4%) involved guns, and 13,812 (10%) were due to other factors.
Fatcycledaddy
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If they did it was by accepting and respecting the laws that were here and voting in the people they thought best represented them.
Truly educated and intelligent people don't make up 'facts'. But many if not most people, educated and otherwise, use facts selectively to support their point of view or belief system. Just look at religious beliefs - unsupported by facts but fanatically defended by believers.
That's what is going on here. We have each formed our belief system about guns, religion, politics based on personal experience and the influence of those who helped form our view of the world, whether that be parents, teachers, talk show hosts or whatever.
There's a term I learned in college years ago; "ethnocentric"; it means the belief that our personal world view is the most common and rational and acceptable one. So, those who believe fervently that the only thing standing between themselves and almost certain death at the hands of ever-present bad guys is the gun they carry, and that the 2nd amendment is all about personal protection (it's not) are going to glom onto 'facts' and other people that support that belief system. It's just human nature; it's not innately a bad thing, but please understand where it comes from - it's not a universal truth but rather a personal belief. Okay?
Exactly. So, why the obsession with carrying a gun to protect against an almost non-existent threat?
I don't think the native americans saw it that way...
BoilerAnimal
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