SE 5 Down Shift Blip &

[Jeriatric]

So, I had a new clutch installed while it was in for all the other previously mentioned repairs. (since they had it for a month)

New problem post clutch replacement.

Any manual down shift is accompanied by an engine blip, but the down shift doesn't occur in sink with the blip. Instead, it it's delayed by almost a second, sometimes with a new blip and a down shift - sometimes no secondary blip, and sometimes no downshift. Sometimes the downshift with no blip at all below 35MPH causes the rear tire to momentarily lock enough to bark(seize against the pavement).

I can give greater detail as it relates to at what RPM's and gears if needed but suffice to say this happens with any manual downshift above 4K.

Dealer tech knows of the problem(he should have noticed it on test ride - but didn't?) and was to place a phone call to BRP yesterday and call me back. I have heard nothing.

My trip to Springfield is now hinged on a quick fix to this latest problem.

If you happen to have some insight to the cause I'd be interested in hearing it.

Thanks
Jer

 

[Chupaca]

Don't know. ..!!

Being a die hard manual type I'm not familiar with the details on the semi auto. I do recall a fellow ryder having clutch work done and had issues with the springs. Seems there are different ones. Bummer know you were ready to plan your route... hope they get back to you ray:

 

[Jeriatric]

Thanks Chupaca

Being a die hard manual type I'm not familiar with the details on the semi auto. I do recall a fellow ryder having clutch work done and had issues with the springs. Seems there are different ones. Bummer know you were ready to plan your route... hope they get back to you ray:

I'm thinking "springs" too. It was my first gut instinct.

My reservations are confirmed and registration paid.

 

[Bob Denman]

Jer,
Have you tried letting the computer control handle the downshifting chores? :dontknow:
Is it still misbehaving then? :shocked:

 

[Jeriatric]

Jer,
Have you tried letting the computer control handle the downshifting chores? :dontknow:
Is it still misbehaving then? :shocked:

Thanks Bob but,

If I leave it to the bike to downshift. This is how it goes. Once the tach(engine) drops to about 2K it down shifts to 4th, then 2K it down shifts again to 3rd, and so on. There's no way this works for me(for numerous bike control reason - safety being one of them). The need for it to operate manually is paramount because of my riding style. I think the only time I've ever let it downshift on it's own, was my very first trip on it from Louisiana to California.

 

[Bob Denman]

:yikes: If it's doing that: you've got an issue going on, that needs addressing. nojoke
My 2010 was a bit "awkward", when downshifting on it's own: it never acted like yours is! :shocked:

 

[TicketBait]

Jer,
that has got to be so frustrating, :banghead: does it also do it in trailer mode? Hope someone here can think of a remedy, wish Nancy's Toy was still here.
I would call the tech back and see if he spoke with BRP yesterday. Have the tech also tell them you are leaving for Spyderfest Sunday.

My first fest in 2011, got my faulty throttle body replaced the day before I left for Cuba. And yes, BRP authorized to take a throttle body off of a showroom bike and place it on mine. Just so I could make the fest. Crossing both fingers for you, that you have similar results. BTW my wife gave the ok for me to go, and later today will find out about my other work obligation. So hoping we can ride together.

TicketBait

 

[Jeriatric]

Am I surprised by this........not one damn bit!

Jer,
that has got to be so frustrating, :banghead: does it also do it in trailer mode? Hope someone here can think of a remedy, wish Nancy's Toy was still here.
I would call the tech back and see if he spoke with BRP yesterday. Have the tech also tell them you are leaving for Spyderfest Sunday.

My first fest in 2011, got my faulty throttle body replaced the day before I left for Cuba. And yes, BRP authorized to take a throttle body off of a showroom bike and place it on mine. Just so I could make the fest. Crossing both fingers for you, that you have similar results. BTW my wife gave the ok for me to go, and later today will find out about my other work obligation. So hoping we can ride together.

TicketBait

TB

Just hung up with the service writer and he's going to get with the tech(who didn't call me back yesterday). They know I'm committed to go to Springfield, because i chided them about it making it when I picked the spyder up.

Appreciate the thought but, trailer mode would have no influence on proper clutch operation. At best, it's used for RPM control.

As always, I'm trying not to loose my cool here, but it ain't easy.

Personally.... I don't give much hope to making the trip(UNLESS I RIDE ONE OF MY DEPENDABLE BIKES). If it requires a new spring package? I don't think it can get here in time.

 

[Bob Denman]

Hopefully: it'll just take a quick hookup to BUDS, and an ECM flash... :thumbup:

 

[TicketBait]

Hope it's not the spring but a software problem maybe.

The dealership you mentioned was 100 miles away from where you are? When you set out did it begin to occur or happen later and just get worse? Maybe if they locate the issue they can get overnighted. Get the area rep involved, maybe it is [email protected]

For all we've been through on our 2010 RT:trike: ahh heck Jer, just go by a new one :riding:
I will ride slow the first 500 miles till you break it in.1330club


still crossing fingers, but may not take the trip alone here this time. Ridden there 3 times by myself.

 

[Jeriatric]

Hopefully: it'll just take a quick hookup to BUDS, and an ECM flash... :thumbup:

I wish. I think we both know better.

Hope it's not the spring but a software problem maybe.

The dealership you mentioned was 100 miles away from where you are? When you set out did it begin to occur or happen later and just get worse? Maybe if they locate the issue they can get overnighted. Get the area rep involved, maybe it is [email protected]

For all we've been through on our 2010 RT:trike: ahh heck Jer, just go by a new one :riding:
I will ride slow the first 500 miles till you break it in.1330club


still crossing fingers, but may not take the trip alone here this time. Ridden there 3 times by myself.

Yep, my dealer is out there. Thing is, you hit the freeway almost as soon as you exit the dealer.

So, the first sign of a problem didn't occur until I exited the freeway at home.

Then, I was sure something was up. (it was late and I had other obligations_

So, test rode it yesterday early AM and knew something was up, placed a call to the dealer.

And here we are.


I appreciate the contact info but, I have little(if any) faith in BRP.

I say that due to years of having to deal with them.

Tho, sometimes they come through.:shocked:

Most of the time they don't. nojoke

I have credit card statements to support that claim:banghead:

 

[Jeriatric]

Who's at fault here?

Some would say the dealer is at fault. Simple enough - I guess?

I tend to see my Spyder as a package deal however.

#1 BRP decides who will be in their dealer network and should have some quality assurance measures in place. In regards to sales and service.

Next. They(BRP) have many ways to monitor how well a given service department is or is not functioning. Plus, they have field reps that visit each location whom could also provide feedback at the corporate level.

First and most important. BRP has to really C.A.R.E. - and this ol boy doesn't think they do. Based on my experiences with them.

Just the facts.

 

[ARtraveler]

Some would say the dealer is at fault. Simple enough - I guess?

I tend to see my Spyder as a package deal however.

#1 BRP decides who will be in their dealer network and should have some quality assurance measures in place. In regards to sales and service.

Next. They(BRP) have many ways to monitor how well a given service department is or is not functioning. Plus, they have field reps that visit each location whom could also provide feedback at the corporate level.

First and most important. BRP has to really C.A.R.E. - and this ol boy doesn't think they do. Based on my experiences with them.

Just the facts.

Good points all. Have you thought about taking the Indian to SF? Too many things happening with :ani29: and pretty close to the departure time. I would recommend the Indian. opcorn:opcorn:

 

[Jeriatric]

Backup plan

Good points all. Have you thought about taking the Indian to SF? Too many things happening with :ani29: and pretty close to the departure time. I would recommend the Indian. opcorn:opcorn:

Don't take this as rude. I'm simply at my wits end.

When it comes to doing anything with this Spyder it seems I either have to have a backup plan or plenty of money in the bank.:roflblack:

 

[Bfromla]

:yikes::dontknow: Hope you do get to make it, tho aside from springs & a really aggressive riding style my guess would be fluid & filter time for a change, should have been done with your previous stuff but, with other things working better now it is adjusting or acting the way other problems were hiding:shocked::gaah:

 

[Jeriatric]

Thanks for your input

:yikes::dontknow: Hope you do get to make it, tho aside from springs & a really aggressive riding style my guess would be fluid & filter time for a change, should have been done with your previous stuff but, with other things working better now it is adjusting or acting the way other problems were hiding:shocked::gaah:

Early oil and filter change was done with clutch install. She never gets to 4,500 miles between oil changes and clutch shift function prior to installing the new one was spot on.

The reason I had it changed was when in cruise control and facing 50 to 60 mile per hour headwinds, the clutch would slip when cruise kicked in. I could also detect slippage when in 5th gear cranking hard on the twist grip.

 

[Jeriatric]

It's 5 o'clock somewhere

No word back from my early AM call to the dealer and theirs to BRP.

I just called the dealer and the service writer knew nothing and the tech is out to lunch.

So, scrub another Spyder trip.

Consider my registration fee a gift.

This is BS :banghead:



Enjoy your Spyderfest!

 

[Jeriatric]

Thinking out loud again.

Being a die hard manual type I'm not familiar with the details on the semi auto. I do recall a fellow ryder having clutch work done and had issues with the springs. Seems there are different ones. Bummer know you were ready to plan your route... hope they get back to you ray:

Have been thinking on this spring thing. The old clutch had 7 discs, the new one has 8. If, and I do not know this. The new clutch pack comes with new springs, they may be stiffer or longer and stiffer to create enough separation for the added 8th disc. If true, the electrically pulsed hydraulic shift mechanism may not exert enough hydraulic force to override the stiffer spring. All supposition on my part, but then again. It may not be far off.

 

[ARtraveler]

No word back from my early AM call to the dealer and theirs to BRP.

I just called the dealer and the service writer knew nothing and the tech is out to lunch.

So, scrub another Spyder trip.

Consider my registration fee a gift.

This is BS :banghead:



Enjoy your Spyderfest!

Sorry to hear that. :gaah:

 

[Jeriatric]

Sorry to hear that. :gaah:

Thanks! :thumbup:

Let down, but not surprised, is how I'm feeling.