Ryker Ykester!!!

[CJ.RamMan]

Three cents

After reading many of the posts in this thread I figured i would throw in my three cents. The way I see it is BRP is the parent company, Can-Am is the brand, Spyder, Ryker, etc are the models with different trim levels under the models. A Ryker is not a Spyder. Sure they are both reverse trikes made by the same manufacturer but they are different models. Comparing the cost of a Spyder, Ryker, Harley, sport bike, etc to a car is a poor comparison. Why? Because WE along with many many other people are paying these prices for these machines. Sure we could all buy a twenty thousand dollar economy car to travel around in but where is the fun in that? They know they have a product we want so we will pay their prices.

 

[IWN2RYD]

Actually: it sure the Hell! nojoke
But if you prefer to call it as only a basic premise of marketing: go ahead!
You have to remember that a sound marketing strategy is also a basic premise of business...
And it IS a Spyder!

Bob,

The Ryker is not a Spyder. It is a Can Am product that has been developed to be on its own.

Can Am says it best...


"Can-Am Ryker and Ryker Rally Edition models were launched opening new horizons for the Can-Am On-Road family." (Link)

Notice they are not saying "Spyder family"? Think of it like GMC and GM. Or Ford & Mercury. or Honda and Acura Etc. Etc. Or better yet... Think of the Ryker as the Sport car division and the Spyders are the luxury/cruiser division.

The Ryker is a product standing on its own merits that will have it's own product line. They did this to not dilute the Spyder line and allow each line to have a clear line in the sand. This is how you protect the resale values and "Crowd" so to speak.

Let's be honest. We all know when the Spyder came out the idea was not aimed squarely at the 50+ year olds. Can Am assumed all ages would love the Spyder. Yet here we are a decade later and it is more of an "40+ Seasoned Adult" product than one for everyone.

The Ryker is a product that will attract a wider audience.

We also know from being "Business smart" That the expensive products pay for the R&D of the less expensive and future products. So the Ryker could not have been the first vehicle launched because the R&D was not there nor was the history to know how to even develop the Ryker.

I could see the Ryker bringing folks back to the Can Am products, get more into the 30+ age market (And of course it will get to some 20+, but not like the crotch rockets do) and be a second "Fun in the sun" rid3 for others that currently have a Spyder.

The Ryker is not a Spyder. The Spyder is not a Ryker. They are family members...

 

[Michaelscs]

No way is it going to be the 'performance' line... certainly not with a CTV !
The 'old peoples bike' might be the RT, but sure isn't the F3. If you see a turbo it will be on the F3..... that has a far better chance of being their 'performance' line.

To the red - Your from MI. Haven't you ever driven a snowmobile? They have a CVT exactly like the Ryker and will out perform pretty much anything you've ever driven. A properly set up CVT will not hold back the performance! Now, of course the engine will come in to play.
That being said, for me, I'd want a manual trans.

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

No way is it going to be the 'performance' line... certainly not with a CTV !
The 'old peoples bike' might be the RT, but sure isn't the F3. If you see a turbo it will be on the F3..... that has a far better chance of being their 'performance' line.

I think you'll see the current F3 phazed out in the next 4 model years. Not sure what will replace it? A cruiser style bike isn't a performance bike in my opinion. Sure you can have a cruiser that has big power (turbo or no turbo) but that doesn't mean its a "performance" bike. It just means its a big bike with lots of power. An old mans performance bike maybe. Like a big ole Caddy.

Performance bikes are smaller in size, lighter in weight, big on power, ergos that allow the rider to move around them (not locked in to feet up and forward) and have braking and suspension to stop quick and stick to the road. Performance bikes don't care so much about 2nd person seating, storage cases, big windshields, cruise control, heated grips, sound systems, pulling a trailer, etc, etc. (that's the Spyder line F3 and RT) They are built to be powerful, quick, road hugging and agile.

The current Ryker fits my "performance" bike definition much more so than the F3 or RT.. The Ryker really only lacks more power and adjusted ergos. I agree a performance bike needs a proper transmission but I'm sure the SE6 can be place on the Ryker. The CVT is bullet proof and a good tranny but lacks the "drop a gear and punch it ability" I bet the 1330 will even fit into the chassis although I wouldn't call the 1330 a performance engine. I highly doubt BRP would produce an all new chassis that wasn't designed to allow for a true tranny and larger engine. In the next couple of model years you are going to see a Ryker with more power....no doubt. I'm guessing they name it the Ryker RS

 

[vondalyn]

I think you'll see the current F3 phazed out in the next 4 model years. Not sure what will replace it? A cruiser style bike isn't a performance bike in my opinion. Sure you can have a cruiser that has big power (turbo or no turbo) but that doesn't mean its a "performance" bike. It just means its a big bike with lots of power. An old mans performance bike maybe. Like a big ole Caddy.

I sure hope not -- I really love my F3S and when I eventually ride it into the ground I'd love to replace it with a newer one.

 

[UtahPete]

https://youtu.be/FYtfcKwKe-A

 

[ARtraveler]

https://youtu.be/FYtfcKwKe-A

A good video from BRP's marketing dept.
:bowdown::bowdown:

 

[Triumphcycleman]

The name

Perception: Spyder = Old People (sad but mostly true)
Ryker = young people (hopefully true)
Perception sometimes equals reality
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It's a Spyder.
Marketed as a Spyder
Sold by Spyder Dealerships
built by Can Am
Developed by Can Am
It's even listed right on the Can Am Spyder website...

What would their logic be in carving it off on it's own?:dontknow:[/QUOTE]

 

[Joe T.]

People routinely foul up that comparison by bench-marking the most expensive motorcycles against fairly ordinary, middle-of-the-range cars. If you want to compare the cost of a Spyder RT Limited to a car, choose a similarly top-of-the-line luxury automobile like a Toyota Avalon Limited, which starts at $41,800. Conversely, A V6 Camaro or Ecoboost Mustang sits waaay lower on automotive cost spectrum. I'd probably say their position in the car market is equivalent in the motorcycle segment to maybe an MT-07, at $7599. [...or a Ryker?]
It's like comparing the price of one restaurant's 5 oz Kobe filet mignon to their competition's half-pound turkey sub — that doesn't really accurately reflect the cost difference between beef and turkey.

I think you got my point.

Joe T.

 

[Sarge707]

In a Few years there will be a Ryker Fest BUT they May allow Spyders?pps:

 

[Triumphcycleman]

Performsnce

Got to disagree with you there firefly. I believe the F3 and RT will continue on as the "adult", refined tourers but performance will come from the Ryker line. My opinion comes from direct conversation from the engineering team at conference. And believe me, one ride on a 165hp sled with cvt will make you reevaluate your opinion of it. Heck, ride the 900 Ryker and you will quickly discover that from 0-40 it's already quicker than an F3. speaking of F3-S, they are very, very hard to sell, even tho they are (were) our "performance" Spyder. Why? Because our Spyder customer isn't about performance. He/she is about comfort and touring niceties. Sure there are a few exceptions, but ask your local dealer what sells and what doesnt. Spyder means RT and F3 limited. Period. The Ryker will rock the performance arena

No way is it going to be the 'performance' line... certainly not with a CTV !
The 'old peoples bike' might be the RT, but sure isn't the F3. If you see a turbo it will be on the F3..... that has a far better chance of being their 'performance' line.[/QUOTE]

 

[pegasus1300]

Have we now gone from "it's not a real motorcycle" to " it's not a real Spyder"?

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[Pirate looks at --]

I agree 100% and am glad they went with a different name for these entry level 'moped-like' trikes.
They did it on purpose so as not to cheapen the Spyder name.

That being said, I'm sure us Spyderlovers will embrace it as our 'little brother' and they'll be welcome to come play with the rest of us. I'd expect a new forum area out here for them just like for the F3 and RT models...

These are not mopeds. I was close to 80 on the freeway with the 600. I am quite sure that triple digits are within easy reach for the 900.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

You guys are crazy! It cost a lot of money for a company to brand themselves. There are many people who don't know what a Spyder is let alone what a ryker is. Can am is not launching another brand call Ryker, they are merely introducing a new line of Spyders that will appeal to a Different type of buyer, nothing more. Auto manufacturers have many different models under the same manufacturer, this is the same thing.

After talking with a BRP contingent, this is not a Spyder. The only thing they have in common is the "Y". They are a separate line of vehicles that will be marketed differently than a Spyder.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

I'd be curious to see their rationale behind the name Ryker. If it's about bringing awareness and accessibility to the Spyder line why not call it the Can Am Spyder R6 (600cc) R9 (900cc) and RR (rally).... Or if the R is too over used from other models (rs, rss, rt, rts, rtl etc) pick another letter. Someone in another thread even suggested calling it an F1?

I guess the one takeaway is that the Ryker is NOT a Spyder and they don't want it to be, if they wanted it to be another Spyder model they would have named it such.

Yep not a Spyder! The name RYKER is being used to emphasize what this product has in common with the Spyder the "Y" and the VSS.

 

[delkhouri]

These are not mopeds. I was close to 80 on the freeway with the 600. I am quite sure that triple digits are within easy reach for the 900.

What were your rpms at 80 on the freeway with the 600?

 

[Pirate looks at --]

I couldn't tell you as I was holding on for dear life!:yikes:

 

[Triumphcycleman]

2019 order

Firefly,
Ask your local dealer what he/she ordered and why.

Got to disagree with you there firefly. I believe the F3 and RT will continue on as the "adult", refined tourers but performance will come from the Ryker line. My opinion comes from direct conversation from the engineering team at conference. And believe me, one ride on a 165hp sled with cvt will make you reevaluate your opinion of it. Heck, ride the 900 Ryker and you will quickly discover that from 0-40 it's already quicker than an F3. speaking of F3-S, they are very, very hard to sell, even tho they are (were) our "performance" Spyder. Why? Because our Spyder customer isn't about performance. He/she is about comfort and touring niceties. Sure there are a few exceptions, but ask your local dealer what sells and what doesnt. Spyder means RT and F3 limited. Period. The Ryker will rock the performance arena

No way is it going to be the 'performance' line... certainly not with a CTV !
The 'old peoples bike' might be the RT, but sure isn't the F3. If you see a turbo it will be on the F3..... that has a far better chance of being their 'performance' line.

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[Triumphcycleman]

Engine

Rob, what engine is in our most powerful sxs, the X3? It's the turbocharged 900. And it is 172 hp trying to rapidly move a whole lot more weight than a Ryker using..... you guessed it, a souped up CVT. That package is the future of BRP performance, and it is already practically perfected


QUOTE=Rob Rodriguez;1391626]I think you'll see the current F3 phazed out in the next 4 model years. Not sure what will replace it? A cruiser style bike isn't a performance bike in my opinion. Sure you can have a cruiser that has big power (turbo or no turbo) but that doesn't mean its a "performance" bike. It just means its a big bike with lots of power. An old mans performance bike maybe. Like a big ole Caddy.

Performance bikes are smaller in size, lighter in weight, big on power, ergos that allow the rider to move around them (not locked in to feet up and forward) and have braking and suspension to stop quick and stick to the road. Performance bikes don't care so much about 2nd person seating, storage cases, big windshields, cruise control, heated grips, sound systems, pulling a trailer, etc, etc. (that's the Spyder line F3 and RT) They are built to be powerful, quick, road hugging and agile.

The current Ryker fits my "performance" bike definition much more so than the F3 or RT.. The Ryker really only lacks more power and adjusted ergos. I agree a performance bike needs a proper transmission but I'm sure the SE6 can be place on the Ryker. The CVT is bullet proof and a good tranny but lacks the "drop a gear and punch it ability" I bet the 1330 will even fit into the chassis although I wouldn't call the 1330 a performance engine. I highly doubt BRP would produce an all new chassis that wasn't designed to allow for a true tranny and larger engine. In the next couple of model years you are going to see a Ryker with more power....no doubt. I'm guessing they name it the Ryker RS[/QUOTE]

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

Rob, what engine is in our most powerful sxs, the X3? It's the turbocharged 900. And it is 172 hp trying to rapidly move a whole lot more weight than a Ryker using..... you guessed it, a souped up CVT. That package is the future of BRP performance, and it is already practically perfected


Yeah, its in the sleds as well (although detuned to 150hp) and from what I'm told in the Sea-Doo. I fully expect the Ryker to have a 800 ACE turbo and I'm hoping that happens next model year (2020). I only wish BRP had done all this sooner.

I'm no stranger to CVT's. I used to snocross race sleds and have been riding them all my life. Sleds are awesome (well the 2 stroke ones) at corner to corner pull and acceleration. In fact that's one of the things I miss in my spyder. It just doesn't have the same "snap" a sleds has corner to corner. I'm hoping the Ryker brings that to the fun. My only issue with a CVT in a bike is the "pass factor". There are times when you need to quickly drop a gear (boost RPM) and punch the throttle for a quick pass. That's tough to do with a CVT. With a CVT you need to just punch it to raise the RPM and gain more speed but doing that may not bring the speed on fast enough. I'm sure you know what I mean. Other than that I'm totally fine with a CVT. Anything to make the experience more sled like I'm all for.

My only other concern with the Ryker is seating position. I don't do the F3 because there is no comfortable seating position. As long as the foot pegs can be brought back far enough so my legs are basically straight up and down or just slightly forward it will be OK. if that's not possible then the Ryker will be a tough sell to me.