RT rescued from graveyard

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

You need to double check the pillion rider switch connections. According to both the 2010 and 2014 wiring diagrams the pillion switch has its power in connected to ignition power. The other two connections go to the Vehicle Control Module, which I just now found out is part of the ABS. The switch is not connected to ground at all except probably through the VCM. Of the pillion switch wires A connects to ignition, B goes to VCM-16, and C to VCM-2. On the 2013 B goes to VCM-37 and C to VCM-32. This indicates the ABS was changed between 2010 and 2013 so you need to make sure you have the correct ABS for your 2011.

I'm thinking you most likely got an ABS for the wrong year so it probably isn't communicating correctly with the ECM. Here's what I find for part numbers for the ABS

2014 - VCM Module - 219800333
2013 - Dry Programed Module VCM - 219800271
2010, 2011, 2012 - VSS Hydraulic Unit - 219800097

HTH!

 

[megagame]

You need to double check the pillion rider switch connections. According to both the 2010 and 2014 wiring diagrams the pillion switch has its power in connected to ignition power. The other two connections go to the Vehicle Control Module, which I just now found out is part of the ABS. The switch is not connected to ground at all except probably through the VCM. Of the pillion switch wires A connects to ignition, B goes to VCM-16, and C to VCM-2. On the 2013 B goes to VCM-37 and C to VCM-32. This indicates the ABS was changed between 2010 and 2013 so you need to make sure you have the correct ABS for your 2011.

I'm thinking you most likely got an ABS for the wrong year so it probably isn't communicating correctly with the ECM. Here's what I find for part numbers for the ABS

2014 - VCM Module - 219800333
2013 - Dry Programed Module VCM - 219800271
2010, 2011, 2012 - VSS Hydraulic Unit - 219800097

HTH!

"The switch is not connected to ground at all except probably through the VCM" - Sorry, I wasn't clear enough in my description but this is exactly what I wanted to say in "I discovered GND connector in ABS unit for this switch (pin 2) is not shorted to ground". Basically Pin 2 in my current ABS is not working as GND for the switch.
I don't think abs model is the culprit. If it would, because of difference in connections for PRS output there would be a problem with the switch even after me fixing issues with missing ground.

Newer versions are using ABS bosch 9.0 which is made differently (different housing and internals) than my ABS (version 8.0). Bosch 8.0 is similar to version 5.7 which is failing very often. Due to poor design internal connections, made by tiny wires on chip board, are failing constantly. They fixed this problem on 8.0 by using bigger wires but other parts started to fail in version 8.0.
I've checked part numbers on my current ABS and they seem to be correct, and BUDS indicates no problem with ABS when engine is idling - only after 8km/h error appears (always).
That is why it is strange. Everything is working correctly when engine is running and bike is stopped.
I know that ABS activates itself when bike is going above certain speed and for sure once ABS activates more elements might be checked by ABS, including DPS. It is also possible that newer unit is damaged internally. To confirm DPS is at fault I need to make DPS visible to ABS and see what happens.

 

[megagame]

I've finished handle for passenger. It took me almost 15h to finish but it's now on bike and looking good.

 

[megagame]

I've started to install air compressor for suspension and carling switch above glove box.

I've used compressor for seats used in agricultural vehicles. Its number is "135adc56". Can am uses same compressor but with slightly different specification (product number "125adc56").
Since I dontt have mounting plate for compressor I've used silicone hose and hose clamps to hold compressor under the seat.

I've soldered new wires to compressor and used new plug to connect compressor to the system.

Afterwards I've check Carling momentary switch I've bought some time ago. Normal carling switches, available on the internet, have LED lamp parallel to connector 1-2 and 2-3 which will cause differences in resistance detected by cluster, and switch will not work.

So, I have to disconnect LED from pin 1 and 3 internally in the switch and add new pin 8 which is missing from the switch. Since I've bought two switches I have a donor.

I need to connect pin 2 and 3 so that they will be always connected. Pin 3 goes to resistor and switches used in rear cases. Soldering inside the switch is quite hard and I need to make sure not to overheat parts or they will melt.
Also, new soldered connection between pin 2 and 3 needs to take very little space or else moving plate, used inside the button to connect different pins, will not work because of lack of space.


Normally case switches are not connected while compressor button is in down position but they can be connected without any issues. This will cause compressor not to work while rear cases are opened.
According to schematics when Down is pressed cluster reads resistance of 18200ohms. If cases are opened its 1500ohm. Up is 825ohm.
Actual resistance I've measured for Up and Down is 695Ohm and 18180Ohm.
Down and cases opened will be 475ohm because of parallel connections of two resistors.
Up and cases opened will be 1385ohm because of parallel connections of two resistors.

I've connected variable resistor to measure when cluster reads what and these are the results:

0-120Ohm - case LRT
990-1070Ohm - case RT
1370-1410Ohm - case LR
1590-1640Ohm - case R
1685-1740Ohm - case LT
1770-1870Ohm - case T
1875-1925Ohm - case L

475-750Ohm - Up pressed

My variable resistor doesn't go above 2k Ohm and checking all that is tedious work so I've stopped on 2k Ohm.

Up (695Ohm measured) + cases opened (1500Ohm according to schematics) will be 475Ohm which is detected as Up pressed by cluster. This means that having parallel connection for cases resistor and Up resistor will not influence for compressor is working.

What is interesting is that resistance 0-120 is seen by cluster as opened cases. That is good. Cluster is sending 5V through this circuit. 50Ohm and 5V is 100mA of current. If I will place 100mA 5V relay instead of case resistors I could trn something on and cluster will still work perfectly fine. So, I've modified my rear cargo harness to alllow me to connect relay instead of resistor and I've added plugs for rear cases to turn on light in cases if cases are opened.
I don't have a relay yet, and lights in cases, so this needs to wait.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

What I was thinking is the GND from the pillion switch does not connect to ground full time but only while its state is being polled by the VCM processor. This may be in response to signals over the CANbus. Do you know, from studying the processor boards, if the connection is via a processor board trace or through a component?

Another reason I was thinking the actual part is important is because the few references to the parts I looked at do not show a "replaced by" note.

Curious why you don't connect pins 2 & 3 together outside the switch and not internally.

 

[megagame]

What I was thinking is the GND from the pillion switch does not connect to ground full time but only while its state is being polled by the VCM processor. This may be in response to signals over the CANbus. Do you know, from studying the processor boards, if the connection is via a processor board trace or through a component?

There is 0 resistance on old ABS between main GND (on ABS) and GND for PRS. I know that there are multiple connections (3 or more) soldered to ABS case internally in the module. I would need to confirm how many and in which pins by looking at old board.

Same numbers for old and "new" ABS:
BRP assembly number: 710001961
Supplier hardware number: 710001963
BRP calibration number: 710001962

Curious why you don't connect pins 2 & 3 together outside the switch and not internally.

I didn't want to disassemble ABS unit if I'm not 100% sure it is faulty. It is not possible to just open the unit. Plactic cover needs to be cut open, very precisely, and afterwards sealed. The board is not like typical board. Chips are not covered, and connections between them are not made by lines on board. Instead, chips are connected by cables tinier than hair. All that is covered in transparent gluey transparent stuff. While cutting the cover pieces of plastic could damage these connections. Last time it took me 1h to open the cover and still there were some small pieces of plastic swimming in this gluey stuff.

It is very easy to remove connector in DELPHI plug, or any other plug (including plug which goes to ABS). Fastest solution was to find another ground on ABS pins and change placement of pin responsible for PRS sensor in ABS plug. No cutting, soldering and any other troubles.

 

[megagame]

I've started to analyze CAN messages.

DPS

I already know DPS is sending error codes on byte 2 and 3 (starting from 1 where last is checksum). I've been able to prepare messages without errors and run them in loop. Spyder could see them and there was no error from ECM or any other module indicating lack of DPS.
This is whole package which I'm sending in cycles:

0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 01 01
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 02 02
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 03 03
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 04 04
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 05 05
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 06 06
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 07 07
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 08 08
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 09 09
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0A 0A
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0B 0B
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0C 0C
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0D 0D
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0E 0E
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0F 0F
0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 00 00

Each message is delayed by 20ms.
99 99 is indicating lack of error. In case of error there is ex. 05 52 and/or 05 51 sent.
Byte 7 is counter.
Byte 8 is checksum made from XOR of consecutive bytes and result from previous XOR.


ABS

There are 3 main messages:
0x430 - holds status of ABS unit and data from pressure sensor.
99 99 00 00 3E 01 08 37 - 99 99 is status, 00 00 doesn't change, 3E grows when braking pressure grows, 01 stays the same, 08 counter, 37 checksum.
99 99 changes to 40 44 before limp mode and in BUDS in fault it shows C044 and 4044 in details.

0x020 - I suspect it is status of ESP.
10 00 FE FE 01 FE 07 C2 - As before 10 00 is probably status. FE FE 01 FE stays the same, 07 counter, C2 checksum. 10 00 changes to 1A 20 after error in 0x430 (40 44),

0x230 - this is probably data from ABS sped sensors. Data changes constantly when spyder is moving. Byte 7 and 8 - counter and checksum.
When bike is stopped:
00 00 00 00 00 00 05 05
When bike starts to move (I've removed some data in between to show how it changes):
00 00 00 05 00 00 0D 08
00 00 00 06 00 00 03 05
00 01 00 06 00 05 04 06
00 01 00 06 00 07 06 06
01 01 00 0C 00 07 07 0C
01 01 00 14 00 11 03 06
02 01 00 17 00 13 04 03
02 02 00 17 00 13 05 01
02 02 00 1B 00 17 0B 07
02 02 00 1F 00 1C 03 00
02 03 00 1F 00 1D 04 07
03 03 00 25 00 1E 06 3D
etc.
Byte 1 and 2 are probably left and right front speed sensors. 4 and 6 - one of them is for rear tire and maybe another for avarage speed. I will analyze it more.

There are more findings regarding different messages but I will not go into details because it's topic for another whole thread.



It seems to me ABS unit is analyzing incoming data correctly (including internal pressure sensor) but still throws an error. I've tried to find correlation between other messages and error but I don't see any. Everything works fine, changes as it should.
I will have to contact Bosch and ask them to analyze the unit through K-line.
If unit is ok and c044 is thrown when some conditions are met (not pressure sensor fault), this would be quite troublesome. I'm sure many people changed their ABS unit because of that error and maybe not always ABS is the problem.

When I'm searching for error 4044 in google, many times I find details about abs speed sensor not working correctly for front right wheel. This might be coincidence though.

If unit will be working correctly I don't really know what could be done. I will have to write something which act as proxy in between ABS and CAN and change messages from ABS to keep ECU happy.

[EDIT] I've been talking to Bosch specialists and they advised me to watch out carefully all parameters of the unit during riding. It is possible that at certain speeds ABS speed sensor might not work correctly and cause an error like that. I still need to contact technicians to describe what is happening exactly and when, but my phone doesn't allow me to do that because I'm trying to call premium number. My phone provider doesn't know how to help me with enabling the call. Bad luck.

[EDIT2] To exclude potential problem with speed sensor, I've disconnected all of them and afterwards connected only one of them at a time and I've checked if error appears. Unfortunately if any of sensors is connected (at least one), error is shown. This would mean that ABS activates itself if speed sensor is present and it goes above 8km/h. When it activates there is an error. Now there are only two possibilities, either everything is working fine but readings are not correct because of ex. low tire pressure, or ABS unit is damaged - again. Because error is shown always, when ABS activates itself, I don't think it's a matter of readings, more likely it is some internal damage.

 

[HayRog]

Just finished re-reading this complete thread. While I'm totally lost with almost all of it -- it's fascinating reading :2thumbs: Good on you for tackling this project Megagame.

 

[megagame]

I've prepared 3 message id's in loop and executed them with ABS disconnected. No errors, engine working fine, electronic shifter works fine, no limp mode. Cluster shows 0km/h all the time because my messages are prepared for stopped bike.

At this point I need to accept new reality, ABS/ESP will not work. Either that, or I need to put more money into spyder (quite a lot for new ABS).
Main goal was having fun toy for less than 5k USD, now it's already 6,5k and I'm sure it's not end of expenses.

Final decision regarding ABS needs to be made: what to do with speed sensors. Either they will be connected to arduino/raspbery and I will prepare new CAN messages from scrach, or I will connect my tiny computer between ABS and spyder and change CAN messages on the fly.
If speed sensors behave like normal resistors, I can connect them through small voltage and transistor to convert signal to I/O output and connect it to raspbery pi.

 

[PapaHotel]

You do bring up a good point. In the old days creating a "street rod" was a fun and creative thing. You are showing it is still do-able, but there are more challenges with computer sensors and controls.

 

[megagame]

You do bring up a good point. In the old days creating a "street rod" was a fun and creative thing. You are showing it is still do-able, but there are more challenges with computer sensors and controls.

I've decided to buy and fix this spyder when I was looking for something to toy with. I didn't know there are machines like that before. I wasn't expecting so many problems at the beginning, at the same time I didn't know there are so many electronic devices added for safer ride. It's not a huge problem to bypass them but it is confusing and I don't always know what to do.
It's like receiving expensive gift which is broken and you start to spend lot of time to fix it .

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Mega,
Is this what you need? Here are a few dozen lines of the log. PM me with your email address so I can send you the entire log. I think the only thing I did while it was recording was work the throttle to speed up and slow down the engine, and turned the front wheels left and right a number of times. Hopefully you will be able to ferret out the info you need from the full file. I'm sure they are not in this snippet.

***BUSMASTER Ver 3.2.2***
***PROTOCOL CAN***
***NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS DOCUMENT***
***[START LOGGING SESSION]***
***START DATE AND TIME 3:1:2021 16:43:59:372***
***HEX***
***SYSTEM MODE***
***START CHANNEL BAUD RATE***
***CHANNEL 1 - VCI CAN Interface - 500000 bps***
***END CHANNEL BAUD RATE***
***START DATABASE FILES***
***END DATABASE FILES***
***<Time><Tx/Rx><Channel><CAN ID><Type><DLC><DataBytes>***
16:44:20:7212 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 9F 7F 06 80
16:44:20:7221 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 08 30 26 0E
16:44:20:7239 Rx 1 0x460 s 8 20 08 03 C2 99 99 06 EF
16:44:20:7243 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 29 2F 20 00 20
16:44:20:7255 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0E 27 09 69 48 BA 04 BF
16:44:20:7257 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 22 00 5A 04 7F
16:44:20:7260 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 08
16:44:20:7262 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 34 46 23 22 00 00 06 75
16:44:20:7264 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 0B 01
16:44:20:7267 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 0B 1D
16:44:20:7269 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 0B F1
16:44:20:7272 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 08
16:44:20:7274 Rx 1 0x020 s 8 10 01 FE FE 01 FE 04 EA
16:44:20:7276 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 04 06
16:44:20:7279 Rx 1 0x430 s 8 99 99 00 00 3E 01 04 3B
16:44:20:7281 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 06 07 EC
16:44:20:7284 Rx 1 0x222 s 8 99 99 00 00 00 00 00 00
16:44:20:7286 Rx 1 0x514 s 8 02 82 66 66 47 FF FF FF
16:44:20:7294 Rx 1 0x400 s 8 00 AD BD 00 00 01 03 12
16:44:20:7303 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 43 80 00 00 08 80 07 05
16:44:20:7312 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 94 7F 07 1D
16:44:20:7321 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 0A 33 27 C4
16:44:20:7343 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 2A 2C 20 00 20
16:44:20:7353 Rx 1 0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0E 0E
16:44:20:7355 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0E 27 09 69 48 BA 05 BE
16:44:20:7358 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 09
16:44:20:7360 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 22 00 5A 05 7E
16:44:20:7363 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 35 46 23 23 00 00 07 74
16:44:20:7365 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 0C 06
16:44:20:7368 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 0C 1A
16:44:20:7370 Rx 1 0x120 s 8 22 23 83 21 C8 22 03 4A
16:44:20:7372 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 0C F6
16:44:20:7375 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 09
16:44:20:7377 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 06 08 57
16:44:20:7380 Rx 1 0x300 s 8 00 83 AF 7B 00 2F 02 00
16:44:20:7382 Rx 1 0x308 s 8 80 80 10 00 00 20 02 00
16:44:20:7385 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 05 07
16:44:20:7387 Rx 1 0x342 s 8 C4 D7 99 99 8F 00 BE 2A
16:44:20:7389 Rx 1 0x343 s 8 00 0F 59 00 00 00 03 55
16:44:20:7392 Rx 1 0x516 s 8 02 03 8F 01 00 0E 00 01
16:44:20:7394 Rx 1 0x401 s 8 00 02 54 65 01 20 10 00
16:44:20:7397 Rx 1 0x340 s 8 01 00 00 00 00 00 02 03
16:44:20:7403 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 49 80 00 00 E3 7F 08 87
16:44:20:7412 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 A8 7F 08 84
16:44:20:7421 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 0C 5C 28 46
16:44:20:7431 Rx 1 0x402 s 8 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
16:44:20:7440 Rx 1 0x460 s 8 20 08 03 C2 99 99 07 EE
16:44:20:7444 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 2B 2D 20 00 20
16:44:20:7455 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0E 27 09 69 48 BA 06 BD
16:44:20:7457 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 0A
16:44:20:7460 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 23 00 5A 06 7C
16:44:20:7462 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 35 46 23 23 00 00 08 7B
16:44:20:7464 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 0A
16:44:20:7467 Rx 1 0x020 s 8 10 01 FE FE 01 FE 05 EB
16:44:20:7469 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 0D 07
16:44:20:7472 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 0D 1B
16:44:20:7474 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 0D F7
16:44:20:7476 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 06 04
16:44:20:7479 Rx 1 0x430 s 8 99 99 00 00 3E 01 05 3A
16:44:20:7481 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 06 09 4A
16:44:20:7484 Rx 1 0x222 s 8 99 99 00 00 00 00 00 00
16:44:20:7486 Rx 1 0x514 s 8 02 82 66 66 47 FF FF FF
16:44:20:7494 Rx 1 0x400 s 8 00 AD BD 00 00 01 04 15
16:44:20:7503 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 3F 80 00 00 D7 7F 09 6F
16:44:20:7512 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 B7 7F 09 07
16:44:20:7521 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 0E 31 29 FC
16:44:20:7544 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 2C 2A 20 00 20
16:44:20:7555 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0E 27 09 69 48 BA 07 BC
16:44:20:7557 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 0B
16:44:20:7560 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 23 00 5A 07 7D
16:44:20:7562 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 36 46 23 24 00 00 09 7E
16:44:20:7565 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 0B
16:44:20:7567 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 06 0A 6D
16:44:20:7570 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 0E 04
16:44:20:7572 Rx 1 0x120 s 8 23 23 83 21 C8 23 04 4D
16:44:20:7574 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 0E 18
16:44:20:7577 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 0E F4
16:44:20:7579 Rx 1 0x300 s 8 00 83 AF 7B 00 2F 02 00
16:44:20:7581 Rx 1 0x308 s 8 80 80 10 00 00 20 02 00
16:44:20:7584 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 07 05
16:44:20:7586 Rx 1 0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 0F 0F
16:44:20:7589 Rx 1 0x342 s 8 C4 D7 99 99 8F 00 BE 2A
16:44:20:7591 Rx 1 0x343 s 8 00 0F 59 00 00 00 04 52
16:44:20:7593 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 39 80 00 00 F4 7F 0A 27
16:44:20:7596 Rx 1 0x401 s 8 01 07 03 E7 00 00 C4 D7
16:44:20:7598 Rx 1 0x516 s 8 02 03 8F 01 00 0E 00 01
16:44:20:7601 Rx 1 0x340 s 8 01 00 00 00 00 00 03 02
16:44:20:7603 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 A8 7F 0A BE
16:44:20:7611 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 10 32 2A 1E
16:44:20:7642 Rx 1 0x460 s 8 20 08 03 C2 99 99 08 E1
16:44:20:7644 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 2D 2B 1F 00 1F
16:44:20:7654 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0D C5 09 69 48 BA 08 52
16:44:20:7657 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 24 00 5A 08 75
16:44:20:7659 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 0C
16:44:20:7662 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 35 46 23 23 00 00 0A 79
16:44:20:7664 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 0C
16:44:20:7667 Rx 1 0x020 s 8 10 01 FE FE 01 FE 06 E8
16:44:20:7669 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 0F 05
16:44:20:7671 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 0F 19
16:44:20:7674 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 0F F5
16:44:20:7676 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 08 0A
16:44:20:7679 Rx 1 0x430 s 8 99 99 00 00 3E 01 06 39
16:44:20:7681 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 07 0B 3C
16:44:20:7683 Rx 1 0x222 s 8 99 99 00 00 00 00 00 00
16:44:20:7686 Rx 1 0x514 s 8 02 82 66 66 47 FF FF FF
16:44:20:7694 Rx 1 0x400 s 8 00 AD BD 00 00 01 05 14
16:44:20:7703 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 3D 80 00 00 FD 7F 0B D0
16:44:20:7712 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 89 7F 0B 1C
16:44:20:7721 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 3E 02 2B FB
16:44:20:7745 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 2E 28 20 00 20
16:44:20:7755 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0D C5 08 69 48 BA 09 52
16:44:20:7757 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D 0D
16:44:20:7760 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 23 00 5A 09 73
16:44:20:7762 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 38 46 23 26 00 00 0B 70
16:44:20:7765 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 00 0A
16:44:20:7767 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 00 16
16:44:20:7769 Rx 1 0x120 s 8 23 23 83 24 C8 23 05 49
16:44:20:7772 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 00 FA
16:44:20:7774 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D 0D
16:44:20:7777 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 07 0C 6F
16:44:20:7779 Rx 1 0x300 s 8 00 83 AF 7B 00 2F 02 00
16:44:20:7782 Rx 1 0x308 s 8 80 80 10 00 00 20 02 00
16:44:20:7784 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 09 0B
16:44:20:7786 Rx 1 0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 00 00
16:44:20:7789 Rx 1 0x342 s 8 C4 D7 99 99 90 00 BE 2A
16:44:20:7791 Rx 1 0x343 s 8 00 0F 59 00 00 00 05 53
16:44:20:7794 Rx 1 0x516 s 8 02 03 8F 01 00 0E 00 01
16:44:20:7796 Rx 1 0x401 s 8 02 00 56 C9 63 00 00 00
16:44:20:7798 Rx 1 0x340 s 8 01 00 00 00 00 00 04 05
16:44:20:7803 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 44 80 00 00 E2 7F 0C 9A
16:44:20:7811 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 87 7F 0C 46
16:44:20:7821 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 02 30 2C D3
16:44:20:7843 Rx 1 0x460 s 8 20 08 03 C1 99 99 09 E3
16:44:20:7845 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 2F 29 20 00 20
16:44:20:7857 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0E 0E
16:44:20:7859 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0E 0E
16:44:20:7862 Rx 1 0x020 s 8 10 01 FE FE 01 FE 07 E9
16:44:20:7864 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0D C5 08 69 48 BA 0A 51
16:44:20:7866 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 26 00 5A 0A 75
16:44:20:7869 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 38 46 23 26 00 00 0C 77
16:44:20:7871 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 01 0B
16:44:20:7874 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 01 17
16:44:20:7876 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 01 FB
16:44:20:7878 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 0A 08
16:44:20:7881 Rx 1 0x430 s 8 99 99 00 00 3E 01 07 38
16:44:20:7883 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 07 0D 72
16:44:20:7886 Rx 1 0x222 s 8 99 99 00 00 00 00 00 00
16:44:20:7888 Rx 1 0x514 s 8 02 82 66 66 47 FF FF FF
16:44:20:7894 Rx 1 0x400 s 8 00 AD BD 00 00 01 06 17
16:44:20:7913 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 3D 80 00 00 EA 7F 0D 0C
16:44:20:7922 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 9F 7F 0D 4F
16:44:20:7931 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 04 30 2D CB
16:44:20:7945 Rx 1 0x0C3 s 8 0D 00 0B 30 36 1F 00 1F
16:44:20:7956 Rx 1 0x230 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0F 0F
16:44:20:7959 Rx 1 0x021 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 00 0F 0F
16:44:20:7961 Rx 1 0x008 s 8 00 00 00 00 00 08 0E F6
16:44:20:7964 Rx 1 0x102 s 8 0D C5 08 69 48 BA 0B 50
16:44:20:7966 Rx 1 0x103 s 8 00 00 03 26 00 5A 0B 74
16:44:20:7968 Rx 1 0x122 s 8 38 46 27 26 00 00 0D 72
16:44:20:7971 Rx 1 0x220 s 8 09 FE FE FF FE 02 02 08
16:44:20:7973 Rx 1 0x221 s 8 00 FF 11 F8 00 00 02 14
16:44:20:7976 Rx 1 0x223 s 8 FA 00 00 00 00 00 02 F8
16:44:20:7978 Rx 1 0x120 s 8 26 23 83 24 C8 26 06 4A
16:44:20:7981 Rx 1 0x308 s 8 80 80 10 00 00 20 02 00
16:44:20:7983 Rx 1 0x150 s 8 39 80 00 00 F8 7F 0E 59
16:44:20:7985 Rx 1 0x300 s 8 00 83 AF 7B 00 2F 02 00
16:44:20:7988 Rx 1 0x310 s 8 07 00 00 5E 03 58 0B 09
16:44:20:7990 Rx 1 0x330 s 8 00 99 99 00 FF FF 01 01
16:44:20:7993 Rx 1 0x151 s 8 FF FF 10 00 A8 7F 0E CA
16:44:20:7995 Rx 1 0x342 s 8 C4 D7 99 99 90 00 BE 2A
16:44:20:7997 Rx 1 0x343 s 8 00 0F 59 00 00 00 06 50
16:44:20:8000 Rx 1 0x401 s 8 03 00 00 22 FF 00 02 D4
16:44:20:8002 Rx 1 0x156 s 8 00 00 00 00 3E 11 2E F2
16:44:20:8004 Rx 1 0x516 s 8 02 03 8F 01 00 0E 00 01

 

[megagame]

Wow, thank you so much. It's like Christmas Gift .

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Wow, thank you so much. It's like Christmas Gift .

Email and PM on the way. Let me know if you don't get it in good time. I sent a zip file. It was only 510 Kb whereas the plain text file is 4.5 Mb!

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Email and PM on the way. Let me know if you don't get it in good time. I sent a zip file. It was only 510 Kb whereas the plain text file is 4.5 Mb!

OK, your .pl address did reject the zip file. Let me know if the .eu one comes through.

 

[megagame]

OK, your .pl address did reject the zip file. Let me know if the .eu one comes through.

Thank you again. This is huge help.

I already see there is a difference in message id between my model 2011 and yours 2014.
What is probably the same: TCM (0x220, 0x222), SAS (0x0C3)
Difference: YRS (mine 0x303, yours I don't know

VCM is sending 0x230, 0x430 and 0x020, but I don't see 0x580 and 0x581 (might be before log started)

Because of difference in YRS sensor data (which is used by ABS) it is possible that moving ABS/VCM unit from newer model to older might require installing newer YRS as well.
ABS, 3xVSS, YRS and SAS are linked together in one system. Probably newer ABS unit will not be able to read old YRS data (0x303).

0x330 - resposible for DPS, always sends same data which means that torque values are in different message.

I've tried to analyze all messages and I came up with 3 different messages (0x122, 0x150, 0x343) and one of them might be DPS torque sensor data.
To indicate precisely which one is from DPS I would need to understand how DPS works. Basically, when DPS motor is turned on and how it feels on steering.
I would expect that DPS will turn the assistance when torque is sensed, and it will try to minimize torque required to steer left or right. This would mean that I will see spike in torque applied, steering angle starts to change
and afterwards torque starts to get lower when DPS assistance is turned on. I don't see that unfortunately.

What I see is that within timespan of 12s steering is moved to right, left, right left and so on.
Data which looks like torque (0x150) changes in first 4s and later is mostly the same.
There is one bit in 0x150 which changes after 0,5s when steering is sensed, and after 2s it is back to old state.

IdahoMtnSpyder - are you able to say when DPS assist is turned on?

It would be interesting to see how my VCM will behave when I will introduce 0x150 in my CAN bus.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

My nephew has a 2010 RT. I'll see if I can get him to let me record what his machine does. My understanding of the DPS is the amount and timing of the assist depends on what the torque sensor detects for turning torque. That may be tough to measure while the bike is parked and running. It's winter time so I won't be able to record anything while I'm riding until about March or
April.

 

[megagame]

No need to go that far and make further recordings. I already have lots of data to analize.
My question was about how do you "feel" DPS is working and if it works instantly from the start, but I think I know the answer and I should make deeper analysis.

I will get back to this topic later. Now I need to prepare everything for inspection and first registration.

 

[megagame]

Every part I've received with spyder is somehow damaged, especially plastic parts.

Glove box had one arm broken and missing so I've had to made it from scratch.

 

[megagame]

I don't have cable for glove box, but I have cable for front trunk which will be made by me. So I used front trunk cable for glove box. It is a bit short and needs to be carefully placed under glove box, but it works.
I've had to add proper ending for cable (universal cable end) to keep it in place.