Rider harassment?

[Bob Denman]

:agree: The tactics used by the LEOs were sound... :thumbup:

 

[Rogue Hawk]

" aggressive " ..... where in the video ( give the time/s please ) were any of the Cops acted " aggressive " .... I'm NOT...trying to start a pissing contest but I'm a FACT freak ......Mike :thumbup:

I am a police supporter But I do question things. I don't want to just come down on one side automatically.

Well, there is nothing to disagree about it. I just say aggressive because there are so many officers for what is a routine traffic stop. It looks to me one even took the key out of the ignition. I am not even sure they are technically allowed to do that. The key is private property.

 

[Bob Denman]

That's to keep him from attempting to flee...
Motorcycles are so quick and maneuverable; that you have to use multiple vehicles to plug up all of the potential escape routes...
As I previously stated: sound tactics! :thumbup:

 

[johnsimion]

How many times have you seen video of a biker just running away when a cop tries pulling them over? I think this particular stop was to prevent that from happening as the biker was trapped between civilians on both sides and the cop car in front.

And we don't know if the undercover cop car had lights or siren (other than neither could be seen or heard when they pulled up). And do we know they didn't give the biker a ticket? My video hit the place where the biker took off his gloves and then began repeating so I can't say for sure.

First, the other traffic was blocked off, not the biker. There was room to get in front of the cop car had he wanted. Second, there were two cop cars, not one. Why inconvenience EVERYBODY ELSE just to catch a guy for a traffic violation? Send one ahead and then let the following one to use lights and siren. If he tries to outrun, THEN you block him. If not, at least you're not screwing with everybody else on the street. Third, look at the video at 5:46 and I see them returning his license, telling him to use his blinkers and there's no indication he was asked to sign anything. The cop almost seems apologetic.

 

[Bob Denman]

They didn't want to leave any opportunity for a high-speed tap-dance with this joker...
Sound tactics! :2thumbs:

 

[kep-up]

Coppers were out of line and over the top. That rider did nothing that those of us who ride or have ridden motorcycles haven't done. Signals??? Who, even police, uses them anymore??

 

[Easy Rider]

That rider did nothing that those of us who ride or have ridden motorcycles haven't done. Signals??? Who, even police, uses them anymore??

Brilliant statement. NOT.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Understanding - WHY ! ! !

I am a police supporter But I do question things. I don't want to just come down on one side automatically.

Well, there is nothing to disagree about it. I just say aggressive because there are so many officers for what is a routine traffic stop. It looks to me one even took the key out of the ignition. I am not even sure they are technically allowed to do that. The key is private property.

" The key is private property " .... I suppose they could just have detained that person until they ( the police ) wrote up all the paperwork necessary for a search and seizure WARRANT to present to a Judge ... if a Judge was available .... if none were available, they can Legally detain you ( Him ) until one was available....But in truth the Police can do what's necessary to prevent someone from Fleeing / Escaping if they are acting UN-lawfully..... ....On the so many officers thing, there is safety in numbers ... People are much less likely to fight when confronted by overwhelming odds. The other officers were probably involved in the Chase also ( they appeared almost at the same time )... For all we know the CHASE started 10 seconds after the guy started his video :dontknow: .... Frankly there is way more we don't about this incident than what we do know..... I don't always side with the Police just because I was one .... in fact I'm probably MORE critical than you might be. I have gone through life with this thought .... Before you criticize, walk a mile in their shoes..... It has helped me to acquire " empathy " a much needed commodity in police life .......Mike :thumbup:

 

[Peteoz]

Coppers were out of line and over the top. That rider did nothing that those of us who ride or have ridden motorcycles haven't done. Signals??? Who, even police, uses them anymore??

Coppers were out of line and over the top? ......and you have made that decision based on seeing only one side of an edited tape? Give me trial by judge any time over a “jury of my peers”. At least the judge will listen to both prosecution and defence before making a call :shocked:.

Pete

 

[Easy Rider]

" The key is private property " ....

So are bombs and drugs.

The "key" to the situation is whether or not they had probable cause to reasonably believe that their actions were necessary to prevent things from getting worse.

AND.....if they have reason to arrest you, they search outside your body.....INSIDE your body and inside any vehicle they impound too.

Just because it is "private property" does not somehow make it off limits during a legal arrest.

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree:

 

[Firefly]

Unless maybe it is a local policy, a LEO is not legally required to listen or pay attention to ANYTHING a person has to say before, during or after an arrest.....except maybe a request for medical treatment.

In my opinion, anybody who is uncooperative should be handcuffed, put in the squad and transported to jail or a ticket written....without the LEO engaging in any conversation more than legally required.

In most cases, you get what you deserve.

Wow.. glad we don't live in the fascist police state of your dreams..... handcuffing someone over a traffic stop? :banghead:

He wasn't being arrested, didn't even get a ticket.. which is VERY telling.

He has every legal right to ask exactly why he was pulled over. They also had no right to touch his bike without consent.

This was a pretty clear case of riding while black. If he broke traffic laws then why didn't they write him up.

I've been pulled over in Times Square for no reason at all other than being on bikes with some HD buds. Cop said they were checking for 'stolen bikes' and made us wait 30 minutes. We were chill with it, but no way would I allow them to handcuff me.

 

[Bob Denman]

But Dan :
You do tend to look pretty guilty! :roflblack:


*BING!*

I'd like to believe that race isn't an issue in this stop.
We don't know the rest of the story, and my "Spydee Sense" is screaming that there's a whole more lot here.. :dontknow:.

 

[Lew L]

Don't be a jerk...........

There is always more to the story. It's just soooooo much easier to be cooperative with a LEO. Yes sir / no sir. License , reg, insurance all up to date. Do what is asked and chances are you get a warning and off you go. Don't ask me how I know this.

Lew L

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: Co-operating with them will NEVER hurt your chances of just getting a warning...
(Don't ask...)

 

[ByeSpyder]

Wow.. glad we don't live in the fascist police state of your dreams..... handcuffing someone over a traffic stop?

Happens all the time. If the victim cops an attitude, threatens the police or presents a hazard to others the most likely response by the police will be to handcuff them and put them in the back seat of the patrol car.

He wasn't being arrested, didn't even get a ticket.. which is VERY telling.

I didn't get that far as my video appeared to end early (and before the biker was released).

He has every legal right to ask exactly why he was pulled over. They also had no right to touch his bike without consent.

Yes he does but the police do not have to answer his question and specifically before they get answers to the questions they ask. They didn't pull him over to start an argument.

And, in most states, I believe they have the right to search the vehicle if they suspect something fishy. Any biker considering his ride as part of his genitalia is asking for trouble. Best to go along with the cop's request then present the case to a judge if you feel your rights have been violated.

This was a pretty clear case of riding while black. If he broke traffic laws then why didn't they write him up.

How are they to tell whether he was black or not. He was wearing both gloves, a jacket and helmet. Unless he was wearing sandals I can't think of another way to tell someone's skin color when following them.

I've been pulled over in Times Square for no reason at all other than being on bikes with some HD buds. Cop said they were checking for 'stolen bikes' and made us wait 30 minutes. We were chill with it, but no way would I allow them to handcuff me.

How did you know the reason you were pulled over? Were you flying colors? Did the police have reason to suspect your bikes were stolen? Did a citizen make a complaint? Lots of information missing here.

If you presented a perceived threat to the officer(s) they have every right to place you in confinement for everyone's safety. Usually they will invite you into the patrol car to cool off but they are not obligated to treat you "nice" if you get in their face.

 

[Rogue Hawk]

:agree: Co-operating with them will NEVER hurt your chances of just getting a warning...
(Don't ask...)

Police officers are human, so I treat them with respect like I would any one else. I was stopped for having my car windows tinted too dark. I also had an expired tag on my Spyder once. I thanked them for pointing these things out and said I would rectify the situation. They let me go without even a warning.

 

[Easy Rider]

but no way would I allow them to handcuff me.

Allow.......ALLOW ?????.....that kind of attitude can (and does) get people killed.

In any interaction with Law Enforcement, YOU are NOT in control; THEY ARE.
Your parents should have taught you that; so should the schools.

 

[Easy Rider]

I was stopped for having my car windows tinted too dark.

That was the last traffic ticket that I got, I think about 20 years ago.

I wonder if me cutting the squad car off in the parking lot of Hardee's had anything to do with not getting a warning ??? :banghead:
:roflblack:

 

[Grandpot]

but no way would I allow them to handcuff me.

That's when I pull out the Pepper Spray.:shocked: