Rider harassment?

[Firefly]

Happens all the time. If the victim cops an attitude, threatens the police or presents a hazard to others the most likely response by the police will be to handcuff them and put them in the back seat of the patrol car.

Any cop that that handcuffs you during a traffic stop for 'copping an attitude' is a horrible cop. That is not just cause for cuffing someone. If you're threatening that's a different thing. Been pulled over plenty of times, never been cuffed, nor would I consent to being cuffed unless I'm being arrested. They simply cannot do that. If they're going to arrest you then they need to ARREST you. It's against your rights to cuff and detain unless you are a threat. Copping an attitude generally doesn't meet the criteria of a threat.


Yes he does but the police do not have to answer his question and specifically before they get answers to the questions they ask. They didn't pull him over to start an argument.

You have it exactly BACKWARDS. You do not have to answer any questions the police ask. It is THEM who has to tell you why you were pulled over. If they ask you 'do you know why you were pulled over'.. do not answer it. If they ask you where you're going, how fast you were going, if you've had anything to drink, etc.... DO NOT ANSWER. Any good lawyer will tell you that.


And, in most states, I believe they have the right to search the vehicle if they suspect something fishy. Any biker considering his ride as part of his genitalia is asking for trouble. Best to go along with the cop's request then present the case to a judge if you feel your rights have been violated.

They must have probable cause to search you or your vehicle without a warrant. Ever heard of the 4th amendment? You should always refuse to be searched or to have your car searched. Tell them to get a warrant.


How are they to tell whether he was black or not. He was wearing both gloves, a jacket and helmet. Unless he was wearing sandals I can't think of another way to tell someone's skin color when following them.

He wasn't wearing a jacket, his arms were very exposed in short sleeves and you could easily tell he was black.

How did you know the reason you were pulled over? Were you flying colors? Did the police have reason to suspect your bikes were stolen? Did a citizen make a complaint? Lots of information missing here.

I knew the reason we were pulled over because I ASKED and the cop told me.

If you presented a perceived threat to the officer(s) they have every right to place you in confinement for everyone's safety. Usually they will invite you into the patrol car to cool off but they are not obligated to treat you "nice" if you get in their face.

Threat is different than copping an attitude.....in this case the guy was no threat and the idea of cuffing him is outrageous.

 

[Firefly]

Allow.......ALLOW ?????.....that kind of attitude can (and does) get people killed.

In any interaction with Law Enforcement, YOU are NOT in control; THEY ARE.
Your parents should have taught you that; so should the schools.

Wow.. what a twisted world you live in. You might want to read up on the rights we have as citizens of this country.
Being detained without just cause, cuffed, etc. is not okay.

If you're a threat that's a different thing.

And no.. the cops are not the ones in control. You have every bit as many rights as they do. You do not have to answer questions or give them any information other than your license and registration. Shocking that you don't know this. Talk to any lawyer and they'll tell you the same.

They can't just cuff and detain you for a freaking traffic violation. You would have to be perceived as a THREAT (the guy in the video wasn't). Simply not giving answers or 'copping an attitude' isn't reason enough to be cuffed.

The cops work for US. You should have been taught THAT in school...

And as far as 'not allowing' a search or to be cuffed. What you do is continue to tell them that you do not consent to a search without a warrant. That unless you're being arrested and detained - ask if you are free to go.

You really should brush up on your rights.....

 

[ByeSpyder]

Threat is different than copping an attitude.....in this case the guy was no threat and the idea of cuffing him is outrageous.

Coping an attitude can be perceived as a threat depending upon circumstances. Remember, it isn't YOUR determination, it is HIS.

I always thought my eyes were pretty good but damned if I could determine his race if only his forearms were exposed and I was following some dozens of yards behind.

The police can search anything if they have probably cause. You defeated your own statement. A search warrant is needed only in certain circumstances.

You also defeated your own statement as to probably cause for pulling you over. If the cops suspected your bike (or your buddy's bike) were stolen fits that requirement.

From your description it appears to me you are a perfect candidate for getting yourself in trouble should you be stopped again. The easiest way to piss off a cop is to cite your rights to them.

And given the number of cops killed recently at ordinary stops I would not want to give any officer a reason to get trigger happy.

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: It doesn't matter what you thought you were doing: it's what THEY think you're doing that matters...
And yes: Attitude and Threat share too much commonality, for them to be careless during a traffic stop. How many Officers have been shot in the past several years?
(TOO MANY! nojoke)

 

[Easy Rider]

Wow.. what a twisted world you live in. You might want to read up on the rights we have as citizens of this country.
Being detained without just cause, cuffed, etc. is not okay.
..

Most of the "rights" that you are talking about are MYTHS.

The LEO makes the determination whether of not he thinks you are a threat........NOT YOU.

Your logic is twisted and dangerous.

I will not argue the subject.
I hope your attitude doesn't get you killed someday.

 

[wingit3611]

Biker with an attitude problem. New York plate on police car?

 

[Firefly]

How sad so many don't know their rights.......or what constitutes probable cause.

I do treat cops with respect when being pulled over, but I will NOT consent to a search without a warrant, nor will I offer up any information other than my license and registration. They might do a search anyway, but having it on record that you did NOT agree to be searched will favor you should you end up in court. Many of you don't seem to be up on recent cases or what your rights are. For example, in order to have probable cause to search your vehicle for drugs, it has been ruled that they cannot detain you and make you wait for sniffer dogs to arrive. If they already have them there that's different.

Amazing people will so easily just throw their rights out the window because a guy is wearing a badge.

The cops in the video didn't have squat and knew they were wrong... hence why he didn't get a ticket. The guy knew his rights and was 'standing his ground'.

Good reason to wear a camera...…:thumbup:
This guy had them and he knew it.

 

[wyliec]

Shades of Firefly and HDX Bones. Love it.:thumbup: Notice I only said shades. I miss those days.

 

[Firefly]

Shades of Firefly and HDX Bones. Love it.:thumbup: Notice I only said shades. I miss those days.

I miss those guys... it was so great to meet up in person and I knew despite our various disagreements that he was a good guy that would help out in a time of need.. if you remember my HD buds needed some tire help while on a trip.. and I checked the map and found we were within 10 miles of HDX's house. He came right out and helped us big time.

 

[Firefly]

Here's a young man who knows his rights. Cop tries to trick him, profile him , and he refuses to be searched.....:thumbup:

 

[Mazo EMS2]

He certainly made a few aggressive moves/passes/lane changes....I think they were focusing on some of the recklessness. He certainly could have been more cooperative with the police. Why argue, just do what they ask and keep yer pie hole shut. I side with the officers on this one as well.

 

[Easy Rider]

So.....racial profiling is forbidden......but A**hole profiling is a valuable law enforcement tool.

The odds are extremely high that anyone who argues, yells, cusses and is otherwise uncooperative is actually trying to cover up something that they NEED to be arrested for. The tactic usually backfires. As does trying to convince a Cop that you know more about the law than he does.

Be polite, cooperate and you can be on your way......sometimes even if you really DO have something to hide.

 

[Firefly]

So.....racial profiling is forbidden......but A**hole profiling is a valuable law enforcement tool.

The odds are extremely high that anyone who argues, yells, cusses and is otherwise uncooperative is actually trying to cover up something that they NEED to be arrested for. The tactic usually backfires. As does trying to convince a Cop that you know more about the law than he does.

Be polite, cooperate and you can be on your way......sometimes even if you really DO have something to hide.

Yes... by all means.....obey your fascist overlords or else......…:roflblack:

I'll stick to what this little document called the US Constitution says:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.:thumbup:​

 

[bikerbillone]

Arguing with law enforcement will only get you grief, who needs that? I find that being polite and the 'do unto others plan' in that instance works very well. If I get into that situation for whatever reason, I want to be on my way and enjoy life, rather than having been delayed and the whole world watching blue lights; but that's just me and my opinion which is not worth much.

 

[Grandpot]

but that's just me and my opinion which is not worth much.[/QUOTE]

Wrong, you're opinion is worth just as much as anyone else's.

 

[Bob Denman]

Hi Dan,
Could you please do me a favor?
Define "unreasonable"...

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Yes... by all means.....obey your fascist overlords or else......…:roflblack:

I'll stick to what this little document called the US Constitution says:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.:thumbup:​

wow :yikes:, you're still an a-hole. do you still support linda cockroach too?

 

[Bob Denman]

:lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie:

 

[Easy Rider]

Yes... by all means.....obey your fascist overlords or else......…:roflblack:

I'll stick to what this little document called the US Constitution says:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.:thumbup:​

YOUR interpretation of that provision is quite different than what the Courts have said over the years.
I suspect that your take on a LOT of laws is somewhat different too.

Guess which opinion counts and which one doesn't ??

 

[Easy Rider]

Hi Dan,
Could you please do me a favor?
Define "unreasonable"...

Just stop please.

He WANTS you to engage in an extended argument......and I'm pretty sure that almost NOBODY else wants that.