Ride On Vibration Issue - Need Advice

[nealperkins]

So the problem is that post Ride-On installation, the balance is off and there is more vibration, not less.

I recently installed Ride-On on my 2016 F3L. I bought 4, 8-ounce bottles in order to barely, but not quite, hit the recommended dosage (9-11 Fronts; 13-16 Back). I should have been able to hit the low end of the scale. But, because of packaging and the waste associated with not being able to completely empty the bottles, I am sure I did not. (The product clings to the side of the bottle. Maybe it should be delivered with different packaging, dunno.)

After I installed the product I went out to settle and distribute the material in the tires. The vibration improved but never got back to where I was before the install. Today, my ride was still somewhat harsh. What's up??

I wonder if I need more product in each tire? Perhaps the distribution of the Ride-On was insufficient to uniformly cover the tire?? There are too many good reports to have this situation normal.

Thanks for the help!

(BTW, I was and am still planning on using the Centramatics at some point. But, I did want the puncture protection as cheap insurance. Maybe an inadequate dosage hasn't even given me that??)

 

[PMK]

A tire is not round would be my guess.

 

[nealperkins]

Except that it 'was' round the day before I put in the Ride-on...

 

[BajaRon]

Except that it 'was' round the day before I put in the Ride-on...

Which version of Ride-On did you use? Did you remove the wheel weights? Tire pressures correct and even? What is the ambient temperature? How far did you ride?

 

[nealperkins]

I used the motorcycle formulation, tire pressure is 19/29 (Fobo and same as before), weights are still there per directions, temperature about 65, and I rode about 20 miles.

 

[nealperkins]

Today I got a Baja Ron sway bar put on...you don't think that's causing it do you?:sour:

 

[Firefly]

You might have an out of round tire and the Ride-On ended up amplifying the bad tire. Are you running Kenda's?

I used to be a fan of Ride-On. Used it for balancing all 3 for a few years and it seemed to work well, but lately I'm chasing a vibration and decided to remove all the Ride-On.

There simply is no substitute for a quality tire that has been properly balanced.

 

[taxmyzer]

Road Force Balance

Find a tire shop with the latest Hunter balancing equipment and have them Road Force balance the tires. I had a similar issue the first time I replaced my front tires.

 

[Peter Aawen]

^^ Good idea!!

Failing that, try lifting the front of your Spyder & spinning the wheels by hand. Mark the 'bottom' where the tire has been sitting on the ground for a bit with chalk first, cos that's where you'd assume the Ride-on would settle until the tire is spun up again; but spinning by hand & letting it slowly spin to a stop again might reveal that not to be the case. And even if it is, letting the tire sit with the former 'bottom' held half way up one side or the other for 10 mins or so should change where the Ride-on settles, & all things being good, the tire then should stop spinning (when you let it do so) at a different place evey time..... If it doesn't vary accordingly or always settles somewhere else (mark that & check) then something is either wrong with the tire or the Ride-on!! :sour:

And while you've got the front up in the air, push a block of wood or something up close to the wheel/tread & then spin, checking the tread surface & the sideways gap to let you visually do a rudimentary test for eccentric spinning or out of round tread.... If you have one, a dial gauge &/or just the stand can make that test a little more accurate!

But if you're still running the OE Kenda tires, my money would be on the problem being a dud tire, or maybe even two dud tires!! :shocked: You could do the same checks on the rear tire too. :thumbup:

Have Fun!

 

[scooterexpress]

I used the motorcycle formulation, tire pressure is 19/29 (Fobo and same as before), weights are still there per directions, temperature about 65, and I rode about 20 miles.

you bought the wrong formula you have to put the car formula in. I had it in my 2011rts worked great I just had to ryde about 20mi then I could set the cruise and let go of the handlebars smooth as silk. plus there were no weights on the rims. the below statement was back in 2010 with 14in tires call ride-on and get new amounts for the 15in tires
I get a lot of calls, PM's and emails about how much Ride-On to use on the Spyder. The guys at Ride-On are getting the same calls and they have come up with a recommended amount for each tire of your Spyder for best results.

Your front wheels get 13 oz each
Your rear wheel gets 18 oz
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You'll need a total of 44 oz for best results.

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This is one of the products that I really believe in. I've been running this in my Spyder for over 40,000 miles now and use it not only for flat protection but I don't run any wheel weights on my Spyder and have had great results. My ride is smooth and my tires wear evenly.

 

[papanorm]

Had the same issue after Ride on install and my dealer replaced both fronts under warranty as one was out of round. Kenda reputation continues :banghead:. Apparently, adding ride on makes the vibes worse when tires are bad.

 

[Peter Aawen]

...... Kenda reputation continues :banghead:. Apparently, adding ride on makes the vibes worse when tires are bad.

No 'apparent' in there - it's definite!! :shocked:

Adding Ride-on to an out of round tire WILL make the vibrations worse!!

If there's deformation inside the tire, the Ride-on will collect in the deepest bits (which are usually where the vibration is at its worst as the tire rotates) & that make the vibrations unf*****ngbelievably awful :dontknow:; but if it's all good inside & the deformation is only in the tread or outer ply layers, the Ride-on will spread evenly around the smooth inside but cos the outside is still lumpy it'll concentrate the impact on the deformation and only make the vibrations f****ng awful instead of smoothing them out! :gaah:

That's another one of the documented tests for 'out of round' tires - fix the balance off the vehicle on a dynamic balancer or on the vehicle by using Ride-on or similar as well as you can & if the vibrations get worse instead of going away, the tire is most likely out of round.... :shocked:

 

[nealperkins]

Thanks for the responses. I'm going to measure the tires before I do anything else. If the tires are out-of-round, I'm having the dealer replace them. If I bought the 'wrong' formula I'm going to ask Ride-on to replace that! Who ever heard of such a thing...maybe automobiles should buy the motorcycle formula...who knows what the truckers would buy:hun:.

More testing! I'm sorry I started this.

 

[Trbayth]

Thanks for the responses. I'm going to measure the tires before I do anything else. If the tires are out-of-round, I'm having the dealer replace them. If I bought the 'wrong' formula I'm going to ask Ride-on to replace that! Who ever heard of such a thing...maybe automobiles should buy the motorcycle formula...who knows what the truckers would buy:hun:.

More testing! I'm sorry I started this.

I don't think it's that difficult to understand which formula to use. Do our tires look anything like a Harley's? Or any other standard 2-wheel motorcycle? it's been repeated here many times that our tires are more automobile tire than motorcycle tire. People even gave advice how to "trick" online tire sellers that wouldn't sell us anything but a Kenda.

 

[nealperkins]

Fair enough but, the Ride-On website stresses the importance of using the motorcycle formula because it sets up faster than the auto formula in the event of a puncture (safety issue). Also, Ride-On's website did not reference this website...how is a mere customer to know not to use the manufacturer's advice vs. a third-party forum? Simple to me; the product should not cause the problem it is intended to solve. [Not related, but their packaging needs improvement too as too much is left in the plastic bottle, clinging to the bottle sides. How about a caulking tube...near zero waste.]

I still wonder if my under-dosage could be the issue...

Thanks

 

[trikermutha]

Today I got a Baja Ron sway bar put on...you don't think that's causing it do you?:sour:

NOPE

Trying to find a shop that balances a tire correctly is almost impossible in my area.

Finally the last balance I had they nailed it and used the HUNTER ROAD FORCE tire balancer.

 

[nealperkins]

Psst. I was kidding as BajaRon had posted just prior to the 'swaybar' post...
The swaybar upgrade is a great big improvement!

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

WELLLLLLL NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT

Fair enough but, the Ride-On website stresses the importance of using the motorcycle formula because it sets up faster than the auto formula in the event of a puncture (safety issue). Also, Ride-On's website did not reference this website...how is a mere customer to know not to use the manufacturer's advice vs. a third-party forum? Simple to me; the product should not cause the problem it is intended to solve. [Not related, but their packaging needs improvement too as too much is left in the plastic bottle, clinging to the bottle sides. How about a caulking tube...near zero waste.]

I still wonder if my under-dosage could be the issue...

Thanks

:yikes::yikes: ..... Guess what - Ride -On has NO CLUE what tires we have on our Spyders , ..... they only know it's a MOTORCYCLE ....... we know better ............ also Lamont got a FLAT using Ride-On and now doesn't recommend it .....jmho ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Spyder_Cowgirl]

Ride-On Formula

you bought the wrong formula you have to put the car formula in.

Actually, for the "car profile" tires on the Spyder, either the motorcycle or car formula is appropriate (this is according to Ride-On). Since this is essentially a "car" tire used in a "motorcycle" application, either will work. The car formula is a good deal less expensive, but the reason I chose motorcycle is it will seal faster than car will (the specs are all on the Ride-On site). You still use the same amount as the car formula, because the tire profile determines that.

I am running motorcycle formula in my 2016 RT and have no vibrations at all .... Ann

 

[nealperkins]

Thanks to all.
Monday I'm getting my tires measured...we'll see what the data says.