Ride On Vibration Issue - Need Advice

[Peteoz]

Actually, for the "car profile" tires on the Spyder, either the motorcycle or car formula is appropriate (this is according to Ride-On). Since this is essentially a "car" tire used in a "motorcycle" application, either will work. The car formula is a good deal less expensive, but the reason I chose motorcycle is it will seal faster than car will (the specs are all on the Ride-On site). You still use the same amount as the car formula, because the tire profile determines that.

I am running motorcycle formula in my 2016 RT and have no vibrations at all .... Ann

How is the "car" tyre used in a "motorcycle" application, Ann? I would have thought our "car" tyres were used in a "car" application (i.e. no leaning and car type forces when cornering ). This isn't a criticism of your statement, just a question out of interest

Pete

 

[BajaRon]

I used the motorcycle formulation, tire pressure is 19/29 (Fobo and same as before), weights are still there per directions, temperature about 65, and I rode about 20 miles.

The motorcycle formula is the wrong one to use in the Spyder. The Spyder uses car tires so you should use that formula. The motorcycle tire formula is much more about flat protection than it is about balancing the tire. The car tire formula is more about balancing than it is flat protection. When you consider the tire construction and safety factors, this makes a great deal of sense.

However, I do agree that if you have out of round tires, any internal balancing system will aggravate, not correct the problem. Even the motorcycle formula should not give you the grief that you are suffering.

Ride-On used to recommend the Car Tire Formula over the Motorcycle formula. Nothing has changed so you have to ask yourself, why the change it recommendation? My feeling is that it's the old liability issue. In any litigation you throw a tire that says 'Motorcycle Tire Only' in front of a jury or judge and then tell them that Ride-0n recommended a car tire formula... Well, as far fetched as it may seem, it's one of those things that liability experts would probably not recommend.

Also, there are places on the tire where, if punctured, Ride-On is not designed to fix. Basically, any puncture that is not in the tread area is not going to be plugged by Ride-On or any internal, automatic leak repair substance.

 

[Spyder_Cowgirl]

Car vs. Motorcycle

How is the "car" tyre used in a "motorcycle" application, Ann? I would have thought our "car" tyres were used in a "car" application (i.e. no leaning and car type forces when cornering ). This isn't a criticism of your statement, just a question out of interest

Pete

Pete .... my statement regarding a "car" tire in a "motorcycle" application was simply meant to indicate that the spyder is still considered a motorcycle. Yes, it has three wheels and doesn't lean, but it is a motorcycle and according to Ride-On it is okay to use the motorcycle formula in this case as in the event of a puncture it will seal faster than the car formula will. I opted for the faster seal because with only three wheels a flat is far more dangerous on the spyder than in a car.

Real world experience when my husband had a flat on his Indian Roadmaster last year tells me I made the right choice. The Ride-On prevented a catastrophic blow out when he picked up a screw that was later yanked out of the tire. It created a large enough hole that Ride-On could not seal the puncture (well over 1/4" and the tread was damaged as well), but the air was let out gradually and that gave hubby time to slow from 70mph and get to the side of the road, where we crept along to the next exit.

Thanks for the question .... Ann

 

[BajaRon]

How is the "car" tyre used in a "motorcycle" application, Ann? I would have thought our "car" tyres were used in a "car" application (i.e. no leaning and car type forces when cornering ). This isn't a criticism of your statement, just a question out of interest

Pete

The Spyder is not a motorcycle. The tendency is to use the governmental registration designation and apply it to the entire spectrum of situations with the Spyder. Governments need to pigeon-hole every vehicle. The Spyder breaks the mold and gave governments everywhere heartburn. When I tried to register my 2008 GS in Tennessee they told me it could not be registered because it was not a recognized vehicle type.

It is also in BRP's best interest to have this vehicle designated a 'Motorcycle' and not a car because the design and safety requirements for anything designated 'CAR' are much more restrictive than if the vehicle is designated a 'Motorcycle'.

Admittedly, it does not help to have 'Motorcycle Tire' stamped into the tires. Because they are NOT motorcycle tires. You could stamp 'Strawberry' into the side of these tires and it wouldn't make them a strawberry either! The Spyder simply uses car tires that are way to light duty to actually be used on any car safely. So to satisfy the CYA factor, they put that 'Motorcycle Tire' stamp on the sidewall. But other than that misleading stamp, Spyder tires are car tires through and through.

The Spyder leans like a car. That's why they have a sway bar, just like a car. Motorcycles do not have sway bars (first, because you CANNOT mount a sway bar to a motorcycle, which makes my point right here) and because a motorcycle MUST lean to stay on the roadway in a curve (again making my point). The Spyder leans as an unwanted by product of centrifugal force. That is why you need components to control this unwanted tendency to lean. Just like a car.

A motorcycle uses centrifugal force to its advantage. A Spyder must deal with the disadvantages introduced by this same centrifugal force (just as does a car).

There are a lot of similarities between a motorcycle and the Spyder. Obviously enough to get governments to designate it as such. But the suspension and tires are straight out of the Car play book and have nothing in common with a motorcycle.

 

[Peteoz]

The motorcycle formula is the wrong one to use in the Spyder. The Spyder uses car tires so you should use that formula. The motorcycle tire formula is much more about flat protection than it is about balancing the tire. The car tire formula is more about balancing than it is flat protection. When you consider the tire construction and safety factors, this makes a great deal of sense.

However, I do agree that if you have out of round tires, any internal balancing system will aggravate, not correct the problem. Even the motorcycle formula should not give you the grief that you are suffering.

Ride-On used to recommend the Car Tire Formula over the Motorcycle formula. Nothing has changed so you have to ask yourself, why the change it recommendation? My feeling is that it's the old liability issue. In any litigation you throw a tire that says 'Motorcycle Tire Only' in front of a jury or judge and then tell them that Ride-0n recommended a car tire formula... Well, as far fetched as it may seem, it's one of those things that liability experts would probably not recommend.

Also, there are places on the tire where, if punctured, Ride-On is not designed to fix. Basically, any puncture that is not in the tread area is not going to be plugged by Ride-On or any internal, automatic leak repair substance.

Thanks Ron....that makes significant sense to me. I would certainly only be using the car specific version if I went with Ride on.

Pete

 

[PW2013STL]

Fair enough but, the Ride-On website stresses the importance of using the motorcycle formula because it sets up faster than the auto formula in the event of a puncture (safety issue). Also, Ride-On's website did not reference this website...how is a mere customer to know not to use the manufacturer's advice vs. a third-party forum? Simple to me; the product should not cause the problem it is intended to solve. [Not related, but their packaging needs improvement too as too much is left in the plastic bottle, clinging to the bottle sides. How about a caulking tube...near zero waste.]

I still wonder if my under-dosage could be the issue...

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To answer your question - yes I think you are light on the amount. I purt in 12+ Onces of the car formula in each front tire. That seems to work the best,

 

[BajaRon]

Thanks Ron....that makes significant sense to me. I would certainly only be using the car specific version if I went with Ride on.

Pete

It is a shame that there is so much needless confusion on this matter. I have been using Ride-On for years (the car version which was originally recommended by Ride-On when I first tried it). There are a few draw backs like the 'Thump' effect you get for a few miles if you let the Spyder sit for extended periods of time. I've never needed the flat protection so I can't speak to that. But for reasonable sized holes in the tread it should work fine.

For those who are using the motorcycle tire version and you're happy, that's fine. All I am saying is that the motorcycle version was specifically made for a motorcycle tire, and the car version was specifically made for a car tire.

 

[PMK]

To fully validate this is a quality topic regarding Ride On, we need to have a team accomplish tire temperature testing to ensure the Automotive Ride On reaches proper operating temp for continued high performance balancing.

To the original post guy, yes, check those tires. If they are noticably out of round, the Ride On will pool there and create a heavy spot, effectively making the imbalance worse.

I enjoy a technical discussion, but you guys are debating something less critical than oil.

FWIW, I spoke to Ride On before using the product. They mentioned both car and moto would be fine in a Spyder. We even discussed the tires and tire sizes. As mentioned, moto formula reacts more quickly than car formula according to them. Thereby attaining balance sooner and sealing faster. But as they mentioned both can work well.

Sorry Ron, but the abscence of a sway bar to be a motorcycle was just dumb to say. I may have kinked my neck shaking my head as I prepped for the forehead slap.

 

[nealperkins]

You're gonna love this...maybe.
So, nice day and took the Spyder out for a bit. Ran it up to 90 mph for several miles . . . problem gone. Poof!
You're not supposed to have to go that fast to distribute the product, but...

Time for the next question, an easier one.
Thanks to all.

 

[Peteoz]

You're gonna love this...maybe.
So, nice day and took the Spyder out for a bit. Ran it up to 90 mph for several miles . . . problem gone. Poof!
You're not supposed to have to go that fast to distribute the product, but...

Time for the next question, an easier one.
Thanks to all.

I can't imagine that taking the ride up to 90mph would be part of the Ride on install procedure, Neal, so it would be valuable to know why the Ride on didn't work at a reasonable speed. It might come back to bite you if there is something wrong with the product.

Pete

 

[wyliec]

You're gonna love this...maybe.
So, nice day and took the Spyder out for a bit. Ran it up to 90 mph for several miles . . . problem gone. Poof!
You're not supposed to have to go that fast to distribute the product, but...

Time for the next question, an easier one.
Thanks to all.

Is it possible that a rim weight came loose, causing the original vibration, and then came off completely on the 90 mph run, and at that point the ride on balancing (feature) kicked in? I have ride on, and after the spyder sits a few days I have to drive a few miles, and the vibration clears; but, I'm driving 35 mph b/c I live in the city. The 90 mph thing is a little strange.

 

[PMK]

I am at a loss to understand why it shook, then 90 mph fixed it. If it worked, great. Ride the wheels off it. BTW, gas mileage at 90 is not too good...