Ride-on balancing issues

[papanorm]

My experience with Ride on in my tires 2106 F3 L at 3,000 miles hasn't been what I expected. I researched the product and read all of the glowing reviews and talked with Ride-On before ordering. I followed their dosage suggestion of 9 oz. fronts and 14 oz. rear and leave the weights on. This recipe never smoothed out. The next suggestion was to remove the wheel weights, still no improvement. The next suggestion add 3oz of Ride-On to each tire. The results are wheel vibration between 62 and 68 mph. I know it's not the belt since I have a SmoothSpyder installed. I am considering having the product washed out of my tires.


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[BajaRon]

Which Ride-On product did you use?

The vibration of a belt and an unbalanced tire are completely different. Since there is no comparison I am wondering why you mention belt vibration? And just because you have the SmoothSpyder installed does not necessarily mean that you cannot still have belt vibration.

 

[papanorm]

The reason I mentioned the drive belt was to avoid unnecessary discussion on it. To be more specific, the wheels feel out of balance at the speeds I mentioned-and I can feel a shimmy in the handlebars. I am familiar with the harmonic drive belt vibration as being separate from this new issue. The suggestion from Ride-On customer service was to use the Automotive Formula.

 

[r1100rider]

The reason I mentioned the drive belt was to avoid unnecessary discussion on it. To be more specific, the wheels feel out of balance at the speeds I mentioned-and I can feel a shimmy in the handlebars. I am familiar with the harmonic drive belt vibration as being separate from this new issue. The suggestion from Ride-On customer service was to use the Automotive Formula.

welcome to the world of the crap stock tires brp gives you put a high quality car tire on and be done you wont believe the difference a real tire will make

 

[papanorm]

I appreciate the way you think, but at 3K miles on the crap tires makes me feel wasteful.

 

[r1100rider]

I appreciate the way you think, but at 3K miles on the crap tires makes me feel wasteful.

your call but every aspect of your ride will improve if you put a real tire on the ride, the steering, the wear instant nite and day difference

 

[papanorm]

I have seen on the forum that many have changed from the original Kendas to a much improved tire.

 

[Chupaca]

Tough one...

At this point you have done a lot of work and gotten nowhere. The rear is the least of your worries. If mounted correctly (mounting marks even with the valve stem) you should need little or no balancing wieghts. Due to the mounting system to the swingarm it would have to be seriously out of balance or not seated for you to feel much. Your main issue is the fronts. Again if mounted correctly should need little but I have never been fond of stuff inside the tire. It takes a while for it to get you balanced and changes too often. The way I ryde I need it to be balanced from the git-go and not miles down the road. Works for many so its a choice and the the stuff that plugs the leaks can get you home if you have nothing else but I was the guy that had to deal with that :cus: when it came time to change a tire. Don't know what your alignment is like but could be a contributing factor. Now I would pull the fronts, dump the stuff inside make sure the tires are mounted correctly, balance them even if only statically reinstall them check the alignment and hit the road....but then thats me...:thumbup:

 

[papanorm]

I appreciate the input- I pulled 22 weights off of all three wheels, mostly from the rear. Also, the balance mark on the rear tire was never lined up with the valve stem

 

[BajaRon]

The reason I mentioned the drive belt was to avoid unnecessary discussion on it. To be more specific, the wheels feel out of balance at the speeds I mentioned-and I can feel a shimmy in the handlebars. I am familiar with the harmonic drive belt vibration as being separate from this new issue. The suggestion from Ride-On customer service was to use the Automotive Formula.

OK, just trying to cover all the bases.

Sounds like you've done everything right. So I'd say it comes down to the tires. If they are bad there is no way to fix the problem short of replacing the tires. I assume your interest in Ride-On was to resolve a balance issue which would mean something was up before you tried the Ride-On.

 

[Aracknoid]

Ride - on Balancing issues

I appreciate the way you think, but at 3K miles on the crap tires makes me feel wasteful.

I changed out a perfect Kenda rear tire with 300 miles on it. I changed to Kuhmo esta for the rear. Bot front tires were changed to Federal tires. The setup is great, very smooth and with the promise of long mileage.


Good Luck

 

[papanorm]

You nailed it Ron, I had a mild front shimmy at around 70mph. I was encouraged by the glowing reviews of Ride-On and decided to give it a go. Unfortunately, the shimmy is now made worse by the addition of Ride-on. My first service is this week and I will see what the dealer has to say.


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[papanorm]

I changed out a perfect Kenda rear tire with 300 miles on it. I changed to Kuhmo esta for the rear. Bot front tires were changed to Federal tires. The setup is great, very smooth and with the promise of long mileage.


Good Luck

I am pleased to hear about your good luck with Federal and Kumho. I have been looking at them since others have suggested that to be a good solution. Thank you


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[r1100rider]

You nailed it Ron, I had a mild front shimmy at around 70mph. I was encouraged by the glowing reviews of Ride-On and decided to give it a go. Unfortunately, the shimmy is now made worse by the addition of Ride-on. My first service is this week and I will see what the dealer has to say.


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Balancing won't fix tire internal cord issues

 

[papanorm]

It seems like hit or miss with Kendra tires. :\


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[RudyB]

I appreciate the input- I pulled 22 weights off of all three wheels, mostly from the rear. Also, the balance mark on the rear tire was never lined up with the valve stem

What balance mark no red dot what am I looking for


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[papanorm]

Should be on the sidewall - the installer should line the valve stem to it to better balance the tire


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[BajaRon]

You nailed it Ron, I had a mild front shimmy at around 70mph. I was encouraged by the glowing reviews of Ride-On and decided to give it a go. Unfortunately, the shimmy is now made worse by the addition of Ride-on. My first service is this week and I will see what the dealer has to say.


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Of course we are all diagnosing this from a distance. But I would not be surprised if Ride-On aggravated a cord separation or out of round tire issue. Internal balancing products assume a few things like a sound and round tire.

Good luck with your problem solving efforts. Let us know what the final solution is.

 

[GearHd]

I installed a Kuhmo, removed all the stock weights, lined up the sidewall mark with the valve stem and never balanced the new tire and it rides smooth as glass.

 

[rcturner]

In my opinion, this is another example of what happens when a tire is improperly balanced. If you want a tire to actually be in balance, it needs to be done using a two plane system. Using a single plane system your tire might be in balance in a static condition but not necessarily in a dynamic condition. It is not uncommon to have a properly balanced tire have inside weights and outside weights be in different positions on the rim. Until you do a two plane balance, you have not really completed the process. One strip of weights down the center often may not be good enough. One strip down either edge of the rim will create the exact problem you started with and is never the correct way to balance. At this point I would dismount and clean the tires and then have a proper balance done. My experience with this type of a problem suggests a good possibility that the problem will be gone.