Reverse Power/gound wire locatation and color

[Hughbie2002]

hows it going first post here me and my wife bought a new 09 phantom about 2 weeks ago.
I am messing around with the idea of reverse lights but i do not have a shop manual to go by, so if you have one please let me know where to tap for a power or ground so i can wire these up to my reverse thanks
Hugh Hudson

 

[krb1945]

Welcome to the Spyder world

I do not know of any circuit that activates only when you shift to reverse. You would probably need a relay triggered by the reverse sensor circuit. I know there are many riders on this forum that are more familiar with the electrics than I am. I have a manual and I am looking but nothing comes to mind or jumps out at me. Maybe someone else will jump in on this. /Ken

 

[NancysToy]

I do not know of any circuit that activates only when you shift to reverse. You would probably need a relay triggered by the reverse sensor circuit. I know there are many riders on this forum that are more familiar with the electrics than I am. I have a manual and I am looking but nothing comes to mind or jumps out at me. Maybe someone else will jump in on this. /Ken

:agree: Unlike the RT, which has backup lights and enables reverse electrically, the GS/RS enables reverse manually via a lever & cable instead of a button & wire.

 

[fastfraser]

welcome:congrats::spyder2: On.

 

[1VENOM]

Now I know that when you place the :spyder2: in reverse the flashers are powered up. Maybe if you taped the wire to the flashers that is hot when the reverse is engaged, prior to the flasher module? Just a thought. I also have the shop manual and cannot find :dontknow:the wire run prior to reverse signal. I'll keep looking 4 u. Check back.
In the mean time welcome.welcome

 

[NancysToy]

Now I know that when you place the :spyder2: in reverse the flashers are powered up. Maybe if you taped the wire to the flashers that is hot when the reverse is engaged, prior to the flasher module? Just a thought. I also have the shop manual and cannot find :dontknow:the wire run prior to reverse signal. I'll keep looking 4 u. Check back.
In the mean time welcome.welcome

Those are also the turn signals. I think you will find it is more complicated than you think. You don't want the backup lights coming on every time you use the turn signals. Besides, it's illegal...at least in this state.

 

[1VENOM]

Ok, I guess I didn't make my statement clear enough. No, I would not connect back up lights to the same circuit that the flashers is on, but, there must be a wire coming off the reverse switch which powers the flashers for backing up. If there is a separated line going to the flashers from the reverse switch then you should be able to tap into that line for back up lights, K!

 

[ataDude]

...but, there must be a wire coming off the reverse switch which powers the flashers for backing up. If there is a separated line going to the flashers from the reverse switch then you should be able to tap into that line for back up lights, K!

I don't have my manual anymore to look it up but... that may not necessarily be the case. If the reverse "switch" inputs to the CanBus, you may not be able to get a discreet signal from it... even if you find it and attach at the switch. That signal will be mixed with all of the other data traveling over the CanBus.

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[NancysToy]

Ok, I guess I didn't make my statement clear enough. No, I would not connect back up lights to the same circuit that the flashers is on, but, there must be a wire coming off the reverse switch which powers the flashers for backing up. If there is a separated line going to the flashers from the reverse switch then you should be able to tap into that line for back up lights, K!

Afraid it is still not that simple. It is done electronically. As far as I can see there is no reverse switch. The Gear Position Sensor sends a signal to the ECM, which apparently sends a signal to the instrument cluster. The turn signal and hazard switches feed the cluster directly. The cluster is the "brains" of the outfit, and that microprocessor triggers the correct signal light function.

 

[1VENOM]

Afraid it is still not that simple. It is done electronically. As far as I can see there is no reverse switch. The Gear Position Sensor sends a signal to the ECM, which apparently sends a signal to the instrument cluster. The turn signal and hazard switches feed the cluster directly. The cluster is the "brains" of the outfit, and that microprocessor triggers the correct signal light function.

If what Nancystoy is saying, is true, then you may what to consider running a separate circuit to a switch on the side panel, like to one for the fog lamps and power your backup lights by that means. I'm not sure the legality of that is but I recommend you check with the local yokels first.

 

[Firefly]

You could put a microswitch up around the reverse switch that gets depressed when you put the bike into reverse. Otherwise a manual switch is going to be the easiest thing to do.

How much backing up are you planning on doing?

 

[bone crusher]

You could put a microswitch up around the reverse switch that gets depressed when you put the bike into reverse. Otherwise a manual switch is going to be the easiest thing to do.

How much backing up are you planning on doing?

Funny...all that work for what? What do you need backup lights for anyway? Why not just add a 'beeper' like garbage trucks have??

 

[NancysToy]

Funny...all that work for what? What do you need backup lights for anyway? Why not just add a 'beeper' like garbage trucks have??

:roflblack: You don't back up much at night, do you. :roflblack: The Spyder already has backup warning lights, but it is helpful to see where you are going. I think a separate switch is the easiest way out, and a separate circuit will not screw up any monitored circuits and make the nanny cry "Foul.".

 

[Hughbie2002]

Yeah I know it's not important and I don't plan on doing a lot of backing up in the dark I bought the lights on clearance for 2$ and thought it would be somthing different. Witch it is !!

I am sure there is a trigger wire running to the gauge cluster that is either a - or a + trigger that enables the reverse light on the gauge that stays on conistently

thanks for the replys
Hugh Hudson

Bone crusher and firefly nice way to welcome the new guy WTF??
I didint say it was a necessary I just wanted to do somthing different

 

[Firefly]

Yeah I know it's not important and I don't plan on doing a lot of backing up in the dark I bought the lights on clearance for 2$ and thought it would be somthing different. Witch it is !!

I am sure there is a trigger wire running to the gauge cluster that is either a - or a + trigger that enables the reverse light on the gauge that stays on conistently

thanks for the replys
Hugh Hudson

Bone crusher and firefly nice way to welcome the new guy WTF??
I didint say it was a necessary I just wanted to do somthing different

Some things don't translate well in text... guess you didn't notice the '' at the end of my comment.

Hope you can get this to work how you want-- just be careful tapping into anything on the CanBus -- it doesn't like being messed with. If you do find the correct place to tap in, you'll need to use a relay that trips off of that signal and hope the Spyder doesn't go into limp mode.

Good luck and welcome .

 

[Firefly]

The schematics do show a switch on the SE5 (MSS 1/2 - Reverse Button) that sends signal on wire GY/YL-20. Connects to TCM at 5-TCM-22.

I'm not finding it on the SM5 schematics.......