Reliability

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

One of my dissertations was in quality management. Nearly all manufacturing companies use a quality management program, as do hospitals and chain stores, and etc. All of these programs are highly similar. They are all based on total quality management concepts. Albeit, some use more statistics, some use more flow charts, and some entail more employee empowerment. But in their core, they are all the same.

That's because they're all based on the quality principles of Deming and Juran. Where they differ, sometimes greatly, is in implementation, understanding, and attitude. From what I have read here in the forums and the service manual and observation of my RT, BRP has a lot of room for improvement in implementation, which reflects a need in improvement in understanding. Inconsistency in use of nomenclature from one year to the next and one part of the manual to another reflects that. I spent 22 years monitoring contractors compliance with contract provisions. Much of that involved doing audits of quality programs.

 

[Dan_Ashley]

That's because they're all based on the quality principles of Deming and Juran. Where they differ, sometimes greatly, is in implementation, understanding, and attitude. From what I have read here in the forums and the service manual and observation of my RT, BRP has a lot of room for improvement in implementation, which reflects a need in improvement in understanding. Inconsistency in use of nomenclature from one year to the next and one part of the manual to another reflects that. I spent 22 years monitoring contractors compliance with contract provisions. Much of that involved doing audits of quality programs.

Yeah. There is a lot of managerial lip service given to quality. Thing is, the employees see right through that "program of the month" junk.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Yeah. There is a lot of managerial lip service given to quality. Thing is, the employees see right through that "program of the month" junk.

What I observed when I was working for the Army overseeing QA programs of ammo plants, and what others reported for other companies, is the middle layers of management were the toughest to convince and turn around. The people on the floor, and in the top corner office, "got it" fairly quickly. It was everyone in between who were the tough nuts to crack. I read somewhere a few years ago that the biggest contributor to GM shutting down Saturn were middle level managers who were transferred to Saturn as other parts of GM were scaling back. It was those managers who didn't grasp QA and sabotaged the superb QA program Saturn had in place, hence it went down the tubes.

 

[bscrive]

Hmm one picture is worth a thousand words

I can see this.

I have had my Valkyrie for over 12 years and it has never broke down on me once. Valkyries and Goldwings can get well over 300,000 miles on them. Spyders will never achieve this.

My wife's 2013 STL is at the dealer's right now getting the coolant leak fixed. Bad water pump.

I guess the 'percent failed' probably refers to how many have had to be repaired vs the total sold. It is still a good indication.

If 100,000 Yamaha's have been sold, in a certain time frame, and 11,000 have been repaired, that is pretty good.

If 100,000 Can Ams have been sold, in a certain time frame, and 42,000 had to be repaired that is not so good.

Truth be told. If my wife could ride a two wheeler, she would not have a Can Am. She would be riding a Honda. If Honda came out with a reverse trike, we would buy it.

 

[Dan_Ashley]

I can see this.

I have had my Valkyrie for over 12 years and it has never broke down on me once. Valkyries and Goldwings can get well over 300,000 miles on them. Spyders will never achieve this.

My wife's 2013 STL is at the dealer's right now getting the coolant leak fixed. Bad water pump.

I guess the 'percent failed' probably refers to how many have had to be repaired vs the total sold. It is still a good indication.

If 100,000 Yamaha's have been sold, in a certain time frame, and 11,000 have been repaired, that is pretty good.

If 100,000 Can Ams have been sold, in a certain time frame, and 42,000 had to be repaired that is not so good.

Truth be told. If my wife could ride a two wheeler, she would not have a Can Am. She would be riding a Honda. If Honda came out with a reverse trike, we would buy it.

Are those numbers actually reported, or did you make them up for illustration purposes.

 

[croosbow34]

?????

Good God !!! Will you KIDS stop..........good information here, not a "temper tantrum" site..
We all have input on this site..........don't take it personal and make personal attacks.........
Now who wants to disagree with me :roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: Who wants some ice cream???

 

[PMK]

Be your own best judge. If you enjoy the Spyder and it has been relatively problem free then ride and enjoy. If you got a POS, or thought the machine was perpetual, sort it out and get what you desire.

What a simple waste of time reading this crap over and over and over and over...

Yes I do know how the EFI works, the other descriptions are accurate.

PK

 

[DrewNJ]

Be careful Paul, there are a lot of very stubborn people around here with very thin skin. You don't want to be accused of having a bad attitude, giving bad advice, or worse being from NJ!......[emoji38]

 

[Bob Denman]

Drew,
You have to remember; Paul isn't from "Joizee"... :roflblack:

 

[PMK]

No, I am not from NJ, but that is not important.

If I had a magic wand to fix the Spyder woes, no doubt some would be unhappy all was fixed.

This is a cool website that is littered with diverse people and talent. Done right there is so much potential for learning, friendship, and destinations or people to ride with.

Some folks do need to toughen up a bit and quit the worry over things that are not important.

So many here talk like they would kill the other guy, however I suspect if met in person, the hugs nd good words would make me puke like seeing two flaming queers holding hands in a supermarket.

Get over it people. It's a toy, an expensive toy and everyone that reads Consumer Reports is taking it as gospel as if it were on the major news networks.

Does Spyderfest have grudge match mud wrestling. That is where this should be settled.

PK

 

[DrewNJ]

Drew,
You have to remember; Paul isn't from "Joizee"... :roflblack:

Could have fooled me with that last post. ....[emoji23] [emoji23]
He would fit right in! Go get em' Paul! [emoji12]

 

[JKMSPYDER]

CONSUMER REPORTS

I have had my ST-S for over two years now and the only problem I have had outside of regular maintenance and recalls was a bad purge valve. It was promptly replaced under warranty. I now have almost 18,000 miles on it and would not be afraid to ride it anywhere. I have ridden to Texas and Spyderfest with no issues. In July I am riding to Deadwood, SD. So the 42%​ doesn't apply to me.

 

[PMK]

Could have fooled me with that last post. ....[emoji23] [emoji23]
He would fit right in! Go get em' Paul! [emoji12]

Drew, today is Easter. A day of gathering and celebration for the obvious reasons. For those that live in South Florida, we get to double celebrate today...first for the religious reasons and secondly, today marks the end of snowbird season and all the non residents will head back home this week.

As for this topic. Certainly not under my skin what CR wrote about Spyders.

PK

 

[DrewNJ]

Yup, all the snowbirds are coming back up....[emoji16]

 

[dndfindley]

Hmm one picture is worth a thousand words

I can totally understand that. Over the past 6 years I have owned 3 Yamaha's and 2 Spyders (2009 RS and 2012 RT). I currently own and ride a 2015 Yamaha FJ-09. The RS never gave me any problems. The RT gave me the orange screen twice. Both times it restarted and I was able to continue on home. Although it never left me stranded I never trusted it again after that first orange screen. More than anything that caused me to trade it. It may have been totally reliable and had I kept it I may have ridden thousands of trouble free miles. However when you do not trust your machine there is always that doubt in the back of your mind and I could not enjoy a ride like that. I have never ever doubted my Yamaha's including the FJ-09. When considering a long ride or while riding I never give a breakdown (other than the possibility of a flat) the time of day. I gave up having the wife riding behind me as she won't go 2 up on 2 wheels, but she didn't ride with me that much anyway and she is okay with me going alone on the Yamaha. Had BRP introduced a lighter, faster, better handling RS with a detuned nanny for 2015 instead of that John Deere lawn mower otherwise known as the F3 I might, repeat might, have considered it instead of the Yamaha, but now that I have the FJ-09 I don't see myself riding anything else for a very long time. It is one sweet machine.

 

[pauly1]

...I gave up having the wife riding behind me as she won't go 2 up on 2 wheels, but she didn't ride with me that much anyway and she is okay with me going alone on the Yamaha. Had BRP introduced a lighter, faster, better handling RS with a detuned nanny for 2015 instead of that John Deere lawn mower otherwise known as the F3 I might, repeat might, have considered it instead of the Yamaha, but now that I have the FJ-09 I don't see myself riding anything else for a very long time. It is one sweet machine.

Apparently, you're happy with yourself and your selection. I'm sure this forum, http://fj-09.org/, will appreciate your humor and support.

See you on the road - I'll be riding a white "John Deere".

Wayne

 

[easysuper]

When ever I see some chart or stats it reminds me to think of something that my old man , a Montana Cowboy born in 1912 taught me .
"figures don't lie son but liars can figure " just saying one needs to look at the whole picture .
Let's play nice kids , we all share the same sandbox.

 

[finless]

This thread cracks me up! :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

This is why I stay out of threads like this when they go this way. Learned the hard way when I started out here.

OK back to the regularly scheduled program

Bob

 

[Magdave]

When ever I see some chart or stats it reminds me to think of something that my old man , a Montana Cowboy born in 1912 taught me .
"figures don't lie son but liars can figure " just saying one needs to look at the whole picture .
Let's play nice kids , we all share the same sandbox.

Yup and "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make 'em drink"